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Barrels are actually one of the “expensive” items.

2500 rounds is a fair average between most 6mm (obviously there’s arguments for more and less round count depending on the cartridge and speed).

$700 is about average ($350 for blank and $350 for chambering).

That’s $0.28 per shot. Which is only eclipsed by bullet prices.

If you shoot any decent amount of rounds per year, bullets and barrels are the expensive part. Everything else is a one time expense and if you buy quality equipment, it usually retains a significant amount of resale value. Even at 50% resale, it’s vastly cheaper than bullets and barrels in the long run.
Barrel life and cost in general is why I chose .308. I got into this when I was in college. I had a good job so I could afford a hobby, but I still had to be smart with where I spent my time and money. I didn't want to worry about barrel life or spend a bunch of time handloading for practice or fireforming brass.

I bought a 308 thinking that I could buy cheap factory ammo to practice with, reload that brass for matches, and use the same barrel for years. It worked out well for the most part. I placed well enough that I was able to pick up certs for bags, brass, powder, etc off the prize table at the two day matches I shot.

I graduated a few years ago and I'm still using that barrel. At this point it's hard to justify switching to a different caliber. My 308 barrel is probably past it's prime but I think I'm going to buy another 308 barrel. There's a competitive group of Tac shooters in my region and we have a blast competing for top Tac.
 

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If you’re only shooting matches, yes. And one day matches increase the gas prices if you have to travel as you don’t get an extra day of shooting before spending more gas.

If you shoot 5-15,000 rounds a year between matches, practice, training, etc etc…..it changes the dynamic.
That's why we have .22 trainers and .223 barrels to screw on for practice, but yea I get the point.

2 day matches are a 3-6 hour drive plus hotel,ect and that's assuming you don't have to fly/get a rental car.

Shooting out a barrel is so far down the list of cost concerns its not worth being concerned with. I don't not drive my car because I will need to change the tires sooner. Same principle.

BRA gets 3K, Dasher/GT gets about 2500, 6.5CM gets around 2500-3K. .308 about 8K. 6 Creed and XC like 1200, but no reason to shoot them when you can shoot a 6.5cm with higher BC bullets and more similar recoil if you care about down range performance. Less barrel amortization at the cost of more expensive bullets, more expensive powder, and more recoil while having less downrange performance with the .308.

Or maybe I just don't know what I am talking about.
 

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    Show me where the 308 touched you?
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    Tell me one thing shooting a 308 will make me worse at? You have to call your wind better or you are fucked. You have to manage your recoil or your fucked (no free recoiling without kissing your reticle). You have to true your dope to a higher degree. You can do all of this longer and for cheaper than most other cartridges before needing to dump another $400-800 on a barrel. All these things will make any individual BETTER at shooting.

    Half the shooters who are upper 1/3 pack come to tac to tune up their skills or think they can get an easy trophy and get stomped 9/10.

    Straight competition, sure shooting a fast 6mm in a 30lb gun is the better end of things right now but its also producing more less skilled shooters. You even admitted a 22 and 223 are good for practice. You can try but you can't replicate the stress of competition in practice. That's where a lot of us enjoy shooting matches in Tac. If tac went away I'd still shoot 308 in open with my little old 17.5lb gun with 12x scope.
     

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    Show me where the 308 touched you?
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    Tell me one thing shooting a 308 will make me worse at? You have to call your wind better or you are fucked. You have to manage your recoil or your fucked (no free recoiling without kissing your reticle). You have to true your dope to a higher degree. You can do all of this longer and for cheaper than most other cartridges before needing to dump another $400-800 on a barrel. All these things will make any individual BETTER at shooting.

    Half the shooters who are upper 1/3 pack come to tac to tune up their skills or think they can get an easy trophy and get stomped 9/10.

    Straight competition, sure shooting a fast 6mm in a 30lb gun is the better end of things right now but its also producing more less skilled shooters. You even admitted a 22 and 223 are good for practice. You can try but you can't replicate the stress of competition in practice. That's where a lot of us enjoy shooting matches in Tac. If tac went away I'd still shoot 308 in open with my little old 17.5lb gun with 12x scope.
    What makes you a better shooter, is actually shooting. Doesn't matter if its a .223 or a 6.5 or a 300 norma mag.

    .22 and .223 are good for practice because of cost. That is it.

    .22 match ammo is .20 to .50 CPR. I also don't have to spend hours reloading or collecting my brass. The added benefit is .22 matches are everywhere and cheap, probably the most cost effective shooting/training you can get with the least amount of time invested.

    .223 match ammo is cheap when you bought thousands of rounds of it years ago and cheaper to reload to practice with. Depending on bullet its about .30 to .45 CPR cheaper than shooting one of my center fire match rounds. A 200 round practice session, where I don't have to drive hours away or pay match fees will save me $60-80 bucks for a day of shooting. You can also run high BC bullets that will simulate the performance of the 6mm bullets at slightly slower velocities much cheaper. Even more critical today where you may have trouble finding your favorite match bullet, so being able to save them for actual comps is important.

    Barrel cost is a non factor as already explained by the cost breakdown. Even if I only got 3k rounds out of a .223 barrel, i would still run one for the above benefits.

    There are alot of reaons why someone may want to compete with a .308. There are very few good ones why they would want to shoot TAC.
     

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    Shooting more does not make you a better shooter if you're defining it as a placing at a match.
    Shooting more matches makes you a better match shooter. You can watch competent shooters fall apart when the timer goes beep.
     

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    There is mil/ le class that has nothing to do with tac calibres, for actual mil/ le guys (active duty)

    Maybe this is source of some confusion...

    The caliber choice... imho is driven by the sport not having spotters.

    Recoil is enemy of self spotting.

    Also, the bullet doesn't lie...

    Seeing trace trumps theory and windflags and kestrel, the picture that "tells a thousand words"

    Seeing trace and splash is "intelligence" for long range shooting and therefore something to be strategized over when it comes time to spec you build or your gear list etc

    And so its inevitable competitors will select calibers that incorporate intelligence gathering features with good ballistics, and avoid cartridges that hinder intelligence gathering despite otherwise good ballistics.

    Similarly with cost, more rounds us more reps, more reps is more training capacity, rounds that facilitate higher training capacity, either due to economics, fatigue, or information feedback...we should expect to see a bias to .22lr and .223 as trainers, and even .308 if the ammo is cheap enough, or the ranges short enough, etc

    Just a couple thoughts.
     

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    There is mil/ le class that has nothing to do with tac calibres, for actual mil/ le guys (active duty)

    Maybe this is source of some confusion...

    The caliber choice... imho is driven by the sport not having spotters.

    Recoil is enemy of self spotting.

    Also, the bullet doesn't lie...

    Seeing trace trumps theory and windflags and kestrel, the picture that "tells a thousand words"

    Seeing trace and splash is "intelligence" for long range shooting and therefore something to be strategized over when it comes time to spec you build or your gear list etc

    And so its inevitable competitors will select calibers that incorporate intelligence gathering features with good ballistics, and avoid cartridges that hinder intelligence gathering despite otherwise good ballistics.

    Similarly with cost, more rounds us more reps, more reps is more training capacity, rounds that facilitate higher training capacity, either due to economics, fatigue, or information feedback...we should expect to see a bias to .22lr and .223 as trainers, and even .308 if the ammo is cheap enough, or the ranges short enough, etc

    Just a couple thoughts.

    Not sure the entire idea of your post, but it’s pretty well established now that 6mm running 2750-2950 is the best balance in recoil and performance. 6.5 is not far behind.

    Anything smaller is too hard to see reliably and anything larger is too much recoil (to perform a he way current prs/nrl matches work).
     

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    So.... I am new to PRS, but plan on going to several more matches in 2022, but I need to get the time off from work, we are short in patrol so time can be hard. This year I shot a 6GT and it is a great gun, and amazing cartridge. But for next year and winter practice I am having another gun built that is very similar to my GT but in .308 just to try hand at TAC . It will be a bit shorter then my GT, and it will have a NV-bridge like my work gun but it will be longer. I would use my work gun but it is right handed and I am shooting left handed.

    But from my experience with my other personal 308, with the right load, like a 175 RDF, 178 ELD-M, 175 Berger OTM loaded behind some 2000MR. It will provided a combination of very accurate load one that can be shot well over 1k yards consistently. Spotting your impacts is harder then it is with a 6mm, but putting lead on steel can be done quite effectively. I have put 5 rounds in a row on a 24" plate at 1357yrds with a 178 ELD-M going around 2750 FPS, going subsonic at a hair over 1200 yrds and requiring about 16.5 mills at 1350 yrds, but still being consistent.

    Dont doubt the 308, it can do allot to surprise you.
     

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    I’ve been competing with an A/R for a few years now.
    Not because I thought it would bring me an easy win, but I can afford to buy decent factory ammo. Anything past around 850 is pure luck, but it’s fun and has been a good bridge to my 6cm.
    The 6 hasn’t made me a better competitor, but I have much more consistency and confidence past 800.
    That said, could we add a short bus division?
     

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    I’ve been competing with an A/R for a few years now.
    Not because I thought it would bring me an easy win, but I can afford to buy decent factory ammo. Anything past around 850 is pure luck, but it’s fun and has been a good bridge to my 6cm.
    The 6 hasn’t made me a better competitor, but I have much more consistency and confidence past 800.
    That said, could we add a short bus division?
    Its called production. Helmets are part of the required PPE.
     

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    The way I see it there are really only 2 ways to separate shooters into competitive groups.

    Equipment & Experience.

    That is the goal right? To separate the novice shooting his first match with an off the shelf rifle from the sponsored guy and his custom built race gun?

    Seems simple enough yet I feel like people are making this waaaaay too complicated.
     

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    The way I see it there are really only 2 ways to separate shooters into competitive groups.

    Equipment & Experience.

    That is the goal right? To separate the novice shooting his first match with an off the shelf rifle from the sponsored guy and his custom built race gun?

    Seems simple enough yet I feel like people are making this waaaaay too complicated.

    Friendships and money are making this more of an issue than it needs to be.
     

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    At the SHC this past year, we had people who hit 10% of the targets and the winners were in the 80% zone, give or take a few percentage points ... that is the issue at hand.

    I spoke with Vibbert, Pynch, et al of the top guys there and asked their opinion, because of the 10% shooters, (some were guys who had shot more than 5 national matches and used high dollar equipment), so why 10%... bad day? or something else, which we basically agreed it's something else called life. You have guys that take this sport serious and guys that use it as a day away from the family. So the field is mixed, it's a truly open field.

    The separator is not equipment or experience, although that would seem like the obvious choices to make, but the separator is the targets.

    They want everyone shooting the same thing, okay we get that, they want new people squadded with experience, check, got that, then they want the course of fire to be balanced so they can actually test a shooter's skill level, problem is, we talk about testing equally but we really aren't, we have a NASCAR Racing the Pace Car, and that won't change. You have guys with no experience but a ton of money buying all the best stuff but can't hit shit, and guys with less money hitting more but are handicapped by their means. It's an unequal playing field we want to treat equally. It's not, we have to divide it up.

    So we have to look at balancing the target package, however that will change the dynamic in a way 99% won't do, why money, they won't pay for two targets, big and small. We need stages with two targets, a PRO PLATE and Amateur Plate.

    This is Sports Entertainment, you are working a sport but also tasked to provide entertainment to the competitors. In order to make it inviting you have to give them results. Results are hits, if you go to a 100 shot match and only hit 10 plates odds are you won't come back. You need to give them 25 plates worth of value.

    The message cannot be, step up or step off, cause off is where they will go. So if you want people off the street to attend, you have to create something to entice them. This was never really about growing the sport as much as it is about growing individual bank accounts. The growth of the sport requires a level of effort none of them will commit too, and trust me they have the financial freedom to do it, but they won't because it would require a fundamental change and effort.

    This will never be made right, the ones in charge have incentive not to get right, it's pays them better this way, the right way would cut into the bottom line.
     

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    At the SHC this past year, we had people who hit 10% of the targets and the winners were in the 80% zone, give or take a few percentage points ... that is the issue at hand.

    I spoke with Vibbert, Pynch, et al of the top guys there and asked their opinion, because of the 10% shooters, (some were guys who had shot more than 5 national matches and used high dollar equipment), so why 10%... bad day? or something else, which we basically agreed it's something else called life. You have guys that take this sport serious and guys that use it as a day away from the family. So the field is mixed, it's a truly open field.

    The separator is not equipment or experience, although that would seem like the obvious choices to make, but the separator is the targets.

    They want everyone shooting the same thing, okay we get that, they want new people squadded with experience, check, got that, then they want the course of fire to be balanced so they can actually test a shooter's skill level, problem is, we talk about testing equally but we really aren't, we have a NASCAR Racing the Pace Car, and that won't change. You have guys with no experience but a ton of money buying all the best stuff but can't hit shit, and guys with less money hitting more but are handicapped by their means. It's an unequal playing field we want to treat equally. It's not, we have to divide it up.

    So we have to look at balancing the target package, however that will change the dynamic in a way 99% won't do, why money, they won't pay for two targets, big and small. We need stages with two targets, a PRO PLATE and Amateur Plate.

    This is Sports Entertainment, you are working a sport but also tasked to provide entertainment to the competitors. In order to make it inviting you have to give them results. Results are hits, if you go to a 100 shot match and only hit 10 plates odds are you won't come back. You need to give them 25 plates worth of value.

    The message cannot be, step up or step off, cause off is where they will go. So if you want people off the street to attend, you have to create something to entice them. This was never really about growing the sport as much as it is about growing individual bank accounts. The growth of the sport requires a level of effort none of them will commit too, and trust me they have the financial freedom to do it, but they won't because it would require a fundamental change and effort.

    This will never be made right, the ones in charge have incentive not to get right, it's pays them better this way, the right way would cut into the bottom line.
    I think the experience and equipment is the "who" and clearly the 80% are in a different league from the 10% but yet they are shooting the same COF that is designed to challenge the top shooters. Thats a problem.

    I feel what you are alluding to is more of the "how" part of the solution.
    Why did they only hit 10%? was the match COF too advanced for them? Are the targets too small? Did they time out? It could be as simple as time. Could they hit +25% if they had more time?
     

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    We do 5 Minute stages, most people don't time out

    It's 3 minutes for an individual and 5 for a team ... timing out is not an issue, you do have to range everything and one of the 10%s was using a PLRF 25c so $9k...
     
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    One of the drawbacks to PRS is how everything is now KD and many people don't even have range finders nor are they getting their dope on the clock. It removes alot of the basics of practical shooting and gives people some false arrogance about their skills. We know the actual shooting part is just one piece of the whole pie.

    So if someone is a decent PRS shooter I could see how they would go into vapor lock with more traditional style matches. Its compeltley new terroritory to them, especially if they did not grow up having to learn all those basic skills (Ranging, doping, ect) before they started competing.
     

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    We do 5 Minute stages, most people don't time out

    It's 3 minutes for an individual and 5 for a team ... timing out is not an issue, you do have to range everything and one of the 10%s was using a PLRF 25c so $9k...
    OK so then that sounds like an equipment thing. Or experience with the equipment.

    What if you separated them into 2 groups 1 using the laser range finder and the other group has known distance? Basically like expert and novice
     

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    Not equipment but skill. You can buy a $9k rangefinder but if you don’t know how to use it then it’s worthless. Don’t dumb down the game but make them step up to the challenge.
    Wait, so not only do I need to buy a $9k rangefinder I have to be skilled enough in using it to have a chance to do better than %10?

    So experience and equipment.

    Maybe you hit the nail on the head. Many are not willing to "dumb down" the game to a level beginers can operate comfortable while still being challenged. Theres no place for them to walk until they can learn to run.
     
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    Wait, so not only do I need to buy a $9k rangefinder I have to be skilled enough in using it to have a chance to do better than %10?

    So experience and equipment.

    Maybe you hit the nail on the head. Many are not willing to "dumb down" the game to a level beginers can operate comfortable while still being challenged. Theres no place for them to walk until they can learn to run.

    No they walk when they get there and learn to run. Not by dumbing down but by practicing to get better after they shoot a match and see where they need work. We all started this way. Now because it’s 2021/22 we need to give new shooters 10 minutes to hit 20” plates inside 200 yards so they feel good? Nope. Step into the game and shoot. Some people will find it’s not for them. Seen it for years and before the PRS. They try it and don’t like it. And then there are those who come in and suck but put in the effort and get better. Those are the people who “grow the sport”.
     

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    How do you "grow" the sport if you are not wanting people to do better with the subpar shit that is out there...

    Training, practice only comes into play for people who are into it enough to try, look at golf and any other big participation sport, you have degrees of enthusiasm. Life is hard it can get in the way for many. This is an escape for some, not a job.

    It's not dumbing down the sport to offer a big plate and small plate, one you have to make it more challenging for the top guys, bring them back to 65% or so, make it sporting. How do you challenge a PRO while not isolating all the new shooters, Targets ...

    Targets is how, size, the SHC match is simple, find it, range it, engage it, no other rules, we let you use what you carry and go... this was not a hard match.
     

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    No they walk when they get there and learn to run. Not by dumbing down but by practicing to get better after they shoot a match and see where they need work. We all started this way. Now because it’s 2021/22 we need to give new shooters 10 minutes to hit 20” plates inside 200 yards so they feel good? Nope. Step into the game and shoot. Some people will find it’s not for them. Seen it for years and before the PRS. They try it and don’t like it. And then there are those who come in and suck but put in the effort and get better. Those are the people who “grow the sport”.
    So do you think the bottom 10% of shooters should be held to the same levels of challenge and playing the same game as the top 10%? Because thats pretty much how it is. You have 100 difrrent levels of shooters competing in the same game.
     

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    So the new guys shoot the big targets and the “pros” shoot the little ones? And at the end of the match how is that scored?
     

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    So do you think the bottom 10% of shooters should be held to the same levels of challenge and playing the same game as the top 10%? Because thats pretty much how it is. You have 100 difrrent levels of shooters competing in the same game.
    Yes because that is the game. They don’t want to practice and just want to come out and blast then that’s fine too. Some might love that and just want to get away as mentioned. Some may suck and not shoot anymore but some may practice and become the next “pro”.

    Feel like the old grandpa with the “when I was young” stories but when I was starting there was one match and one set of targets. I drove or flew to matches to have fun with friends and shoot and challenge myself. There was one match set up and everyone shot it. If you want to dumb it down and yes that is what it is, then have at it. I will still shoot but it will be interesting to see how it effects the sport.
     

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    Scoring is just another aspect of "How" to tweak the system.
    No scoring is what the sport is. There are winners and losers. You going to give the 10% 5 points for their target and the “pro” 5 for his? Let’s shoot on a curve. Lol
     

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    Oh and a question, how do you know who the 10% are before the match is shot? People’s word? Maybe their past match scores where they sand bagged because we know that never happens in sports set up like that. Lol Good luck.
     

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    No scoring is what the sport is. There are winners and losers. You going to give the 10% 5 points for their target and the “pro” 5 for his? Let’s shoot on a curve. Lol
    Of course you will need to keep an open mind for this to work.
     
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    Lots of sports have levels of skill, physical fitness, etc. With names like novice, intermediate and pro. I've wondered why this sport doesn't have that. Too new I suppose. If theres an organization, then make it so x # of wins move up a level. If no organization, have it be self declared. Yes there will be baggers. No way around that. I guess that's what started this thread.
     

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    Lots of sports have levels of skill, physical fitness, etc. With names like novice, intermediate and pro. I've wondered why this sport doesn't have that. Too new I suppose. If theres an organization, then make it so x # of wins move up a level. If no organization, have it be self declared. Yes there will be baggers. No way around that. I guess that's what started this thread.

    Yes like USPSA but they all shoot the same stages of fire and do it the same way. Breaking it down like that would be fine but you would have to have a way to do it. They have classifier stages. PRS has their skill stages so maybe that would be a way to set skill level in that series but it would be tough to make it universal. PRS has their Pro, Semi Pro, Marksman, Amateur and Non Classified tags but not sure how you get from one to the other.
     

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    Quite a bit of top guys switch to 6.5 for the finales and really windy national matches this past year. 6.5 creedmoor is definitely more then competitive.
     

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    We just voted on some changes to Tac and Mil/Leo. I think both of them got voted down.

    No one wants to make the Tac class easier. Its a limited division for a reason, and its important to maintain that. Especially as Production division has encroached a little on Open. You can get a pretty nice rifle and optic these days for Production.

    Tac exists to keep those calibers alive, to keep them relevant. For the nostalgia crowd or former military folks who have an attachment to them and enjoy them, they have a place. 6.5 Creedmoor will never be added to it, it simply doesn't belong.
     

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    No scoring is what the sport is. There are winners and losers. You going to give the 10% 5 points for their target and the “pro” 5 for his? Let’s shoot on a curve. Lol

    ....you could always offer the shooter a choice, 2 targets at same distance, a few yards apart. Big target garners 5 points, small target garners 6 point. The shooter will choose the one aligns with their skill, problem solving, equipment, strategy, etc.
     

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    look at a better bullet. 175 SMK’s were the gold standard for a long time but technology has changes. I’d encourage you to look strongly at the Berger 178 Hybrids or eve the Berger 175 OTM. Much better BC.
    My old .308 load was with the Berger 175 OTM. Lapua brass and Varget loaded to 2.850" The short bearing surface let me find a 1/4 MOA node at 2720fps without excessive pressure. That's 100fps faster than any factory loading for a 175-178 bullet.
     

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    I think reality is PRS franchise value wont go up with a lot of these changes.

    Using 3 moa plates is a great idea, until the local match director has to invest in a ton of steel and needs to store, move, assemble , paint etc... 5/2=2.5x as much logistical = cost is higher...

    Would people accept 2.5 times the entry fee ($750 vs 300?)...

    Cost per shot would be $3.25 vs $1.50 for this example (200 rnds).

    Its not impossible to figure out, but the business would become more burden some on the promoter/MD.

    Meanwhile, the sponsors only care about "elite" performance, they aren' t going to to want to subsidize "semi-precision" rifle league...its less super-hero sounding to marketers.

    I support the idea, just the ROI on various changes needs to be figured out... or they wont happen...
     
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    I am not a fan of 2 different courses of fire or targets. It is supposed to be difficult. As a middle of the pak shooter one of the things that always built confidence was those one or two stages where you nail it. You clean a stage or are right there with the top shooters in your squad. You may bomb the next two stages but knowing you don't completely suck helps.
     
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    I am not a fan of 2 different courses of fire or targets. It is supposed to be difficult. As a middle of the pak shooter one of the things that always built confidence was those one or two stages where you nail it. You clean a stage or are right there with the top shooters in your squad. You may bomb the next two stages but knowing you don't completely suck helps.

    The challenge is this niche market isn’t currently big enough to sustain both communities that are found in every game/sport.

    Competitive
    Recreation

    Some will fall into both, but many will be one or the other.

    This is typically solved via professional leagues and amateur leagues. All major televised sports do this, pool, bowling, golf, etc etc.

    You have the option to pick (unless you don’t make the cut for professional) which you want to try or focus on.

    This type of shooting doesn’t have the locations nor the participation to sustain both. So we have to mix and mingle.


    So, you’re going to have two sides “arguing” all the time. The “this is a competition” and the “this is just something I do to have fun and relax.”

    Neither of those are wrong.



    So, the only real way to as completely provide for both as possible, is something like different targets/par times/round count, etc or any combination of those.

    The problem is logistics. Unless and MD thinks they can increase their attendance, it doesn’t make sense. And if an MD tries it and it doesn’t attract people fairly quickly, they will likely abandon it.


    Which is why I’m always trying to play devil’s advocate on both sides. Because for the foreseeable future, competitive and recreational shooters are stuck with each other.

    And both sides need to realize this and work around it.
     

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    Also, if there are two cof or different targets and what not…..who cares.

    It’s none of my business if someone wants to shoot easier stuff or sandbag. It literally has zero effect on my life unless I decide to be mad about it.

    There’s plenty of tac and production shooters in the past that have shot a division for trophies. Sure, everyone on social media congratulates them and leagues post about it. Because that’s the social contract of social media.

    No one actually takes them seriously though and it’s usually a joke among text groups and such.
     

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    Whether your a pro or armature the price of admission is the same in PRS. Hmm..

    Maybe first match free.

    next 2-3 discounted rate. 50%

    3-7 matches discounted. 75%

    After7 full price no matter what the scores.

    All sponsored by PRS
     
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    Whether your a pro or armature the price of admission is the same in PRS. Hmm..

    Maybe first match free.

    next 2-3 discounted rate. 50%

    3-7 matches discounted. 75%

    After7 full price no matter what the scores.

    All sponsored by PRS
    No. Just no.
     

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    Intent is subjective and it doesn't matter. Here's the verbatim text describing PRS Tactical Division

    2.2 Bolt Gun - Tactical Division
    2.2.1 Tactical Division rifles are restricted to .308 Winchester and 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington calibers only.
    2.2.2 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington has a bullet weight cap of 77 grains and muzzle velocity cannot exceed 3,000 fps (+/- 30 fps for environmental factors and equipment discrepancies).
    2.2.3 7.62 NATO/.308 Winchester has a bullet weight cap of 178 grains and muzzle velocity cannot exceed 2,800 fps (+/- 28 fps for environmental factors and equipment discrepancies).
    2.2.4 No modified wildcat rounds such as the .223 Ackley Improved are permitted to shoot in the Tactical Division. Anyone discovered violating this rule will receive an automatic Match DQ.
    2.2.5 Tactical Division shooters will shoot the exact same COF as Open Division

    Absolutely no mention of police, military or anything of the sort
    I don't understand the limit on bullet weights? I'd use my 223 at matches if I could use 80.5 Fullbores.