A_t_FA a terrorist organization??? I think not.

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Hearing rumblings from the power elite starting to call for declaring Antifa a terrorist organization,.

I think this is the true purpose of antifas founding and funding, to get the lemmings scared enough to not question the government when they start declaring whole groups in this country " terrorists"...

They are a straw man...

This is teh reason they dont get arrested for all the normal crimes they commit every day. they are the straw-man.

Dont fall for he Charade.

Just insist the popo and Judicial industrial complex enforce current laws against individual crimes before you give them a blank check.
 
Terrorist/s an traitors are legal targets in many places, they shun such places while safely mouthing/act up in known havens. The ride up to the events of 4/19/1775 is fully under way,... it's being pushed via greed/glutton/an pure lazy ass people namely the FSA, Parenting failures, an open leg policy's,...
 
@ArmyJerry I think you're dead on . They have purposely destroyed the moral character of the Country . They have purposely factionalized and festered hate between the factions . They target anyone or anything moral or right and deny rights to the same . Pass regulation without informing the public ( ATF with the fuck8n braces ) . Patriot Act was probably thr singly largest loss of Constitutional Rights in our history with the exception of martial law and the Japanese American 8nterment during WWII . The left has fermented this steaming pile .
 
yiou want to wear a mask fine, when you assault someone you need to be arrested. Dont let them open this door, its targeted at the gun owners. Just like the patriot act was targeted at all Americans because they let thousands of terrorists in then when terrorists do terrorists shit they take all of our rights,,,,,, fuck them, fuck them all.
 
AJ, heres a question for you. In so many of your posts, you're totally against local police. (The examples of the threads where the officers shot the knife welding guy) so who do you suggest arrest the guys wearing masks? What do you suggest they do if the guys wearing masks resist arrest and refuse to be arrested?

As I have always tried to say in my posts, not every officer is good. Not every law is bad. But we have laws and those laws make a difference between us and savages. We may well be approaching a time when savages are what we need to be, but until then, we have follow the laws or work to change them.
 
AJ, heres a question for you. In so many of your posts, you're totally against local police. (The examples of the threads where the officers shot the knife welding guy) so who do you suggest arrest the guys wearing masks? What do you suggest they do if the guys wearing masks resist arrest and refuse to be arrested?

Nobody should arrest guys for wearing masks.
You want to wear a mask, guess what, that's what freedom is all about.
I mean if the courts have ruled you can burn the American flag in the street and it's protected, well wearing a mask is the same.
DON'T let the government destroy your rights in the name of saving you from some "bogyman" of the moment.

Now what they need to do is if someone is committing a crime or an assault or otherwise unlawfully threatening / intimidating people, get off your asses and arrest the Antifa Goons mask or no mask...

Stop and think about why they want to pass laws against wearing a mask, but can't be bothered to enforce laws against not beating people up on the street and having violent riots or destroying property against the Antifa guys......

If you haven't figured it out, it's because they want to use that law on you so they know who you are and where you are so they can punish you or get you anytime you step out of line...
 
yiou want to wear a mask fine,
Not where I come from! You show up at my place with a mask on, (I don't care what your badge says or how many local LEO's are with you) just start shooting 360* from the road, because the fight an planning started the minute you donned that mask an decided to step foot on my property. Once the alarm goes off many local assholes like me are going to show up an join in,... The ball is in your court.
The world I grew up in stated a mask man was hiding his face because he was up to no good, unless your riding a white stallion, shoot silver bullets, were a white hat, an have an Indian as a side kick.

That B/S LEO's state about their masks is just that,...
 
These people should be classified terrorists. Any group, left or right that uses violence against the general law abiding public to affect change should be dealt with as such. We all have the right to protest things we don't agree upon but when we use physical force we cross a line that we need to be able to defend. If they want to behave violently they should expect a violent response. Certainly not a free pass to incite violence and create chaos. You not only have freedom to express yourself, but you also have a responsibility to respect the laws that guard that freedom and even other people's rights to feel differently.
If they had half a pair of balls they wouldn't need to hide behind a mask. The fact that they need wear a mask to hide their identity, instantly tells you they're doing something wrong. I think most of these people are just young, bored, non productive people that have been tragically misled by "higher education". Thirty years from now life lessons will change the way many of them will feel. At 53 I speak from personal experience. My character has always been steadfast but my views have changed significantly since my early twenties.
 
If they had half a pair of balls they wouldn't need to hide behind a mask. The fact that they need wear a mask to hide their identity, instantly tells you they're doing something wrong. I think most of these people are just young, bored, non productive people that have been tragically misled by "higher education". Thirty years from now life lessons will change the way many of them will feel. At 53 I speak from personal experience. My character has always been steadfast but my views have changed significantly since my early twenties.

There is always two sides to every story, sometimes you may find the need to wear a mask because as the founding fathers correctly understood, without the ability to have anonymous free speech, you don't have free speech.

Not everybody is in a position to be able to stand loosing their job, their livelihood, their financial accounts, their credit and their ability to conduct their day to day life and business in the manner they are used to, just because they chose to be a part of those standing up for truth.
You may legally have "free speech", but bet your bottom dollar the SJW elites and technocrats are more than happy to destroy your life every way they can in retaliation once they identify you... and guess what it happens regularly... and guess what the "good folks" just mumble some BS about "Private companies" as they walk on by your plight.... actual fact.

It wouldn't be an issue if the good people all actually stuck together... but the good are lazy and happy to let one of their own hang separately rather than go balls to the walls to protect their right to speak truth without being retaliated against.
 
Not where I come from! You show up at my place with a mask on, (I don't care what your badge says or how many local LEO's are with you) just start shooting 360* from the road, because the fight an planning started the minute you donned that mask an decided to step foot on my property. Once the alarm goes off many local assholes like me are going to show up an join in,... The ball is in your court.
The world I grew up in stated a mask man was hiding his face because he was up to no good, unless your riding a white stallion, shoot silver bullets, were a white hat, an have an Indian as a side kick.

That B/S LEO's state about their masks is just that,...
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Nobody should arrest guys for wearing masks.
You want to wear a mask, guess what, that's what freedom is all about.
I mean if the courts have ruled you can burn the American flag in the street and it's protected, well wearing a mask is the same.
DON'T let the government destroy your rights in the name of saving you from some "bogyman" of the moment.

Now what they need to do is if someone is committing a crime or an assault or otherwise unlawfully threatening / intimidating people, get off your asses and arrest the Antifa Goons mask or no mask...

Stop and think about why they want to pass laws against wearing a mask, but can't be bothered to enforce laws against not beating people up on the street and having violent riots or destroying property against the Antifa guys......

If you haven't figured it out, it's because they want to use that law on you so they know who you are and where you are so they can punish you or get you anytime you step out of line...

Ah ha!!! You made my point for me. If a law is on the books, officers have to enforce it. Granted there is some officer descretion. However, LEO enforce the laws on the books whether the public agrees, likes it or not.

If we don't like a law, we have to work to fix it. Whether it be masks, speeding, gun regs ect.

My only point is that so many here yell that local cops are bad, shouldn't enforce this or that but are now screaming over this ANTIFA crap.
 
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There is always two sides to every story, sometimes you may find the need to wear a mask because as the founding fathers correctly understood, without the ability to have anonymous free speech, you don't have free speech.

Not everybody is in a position to be able to stand loosing their job, their livelihood, their financial accounts, their credit and their ability to conduct their day to day life and business in the manner they are used to, just because they chose to be a part of those standing up for truth.
You may legally have "free speech", but bet your bottom dollar the SJW elites and technocrats are more than happy to destroy your life every way they can in retaliation once they identify you... and guess what it happens regularly... and guess what the "good folks" just mumble some BS about "Private companies" as they walk on by your plight.... actual fact.

It wouldn't be an issue if the good people all actually stuck together... but the good are lazy and happy to let one of their own hang separately rather than go balls to the walls to protect their right to speak truth without being retaliated against.
 
the more I look at it, the non arrests when they attack trumpkins, the non arrests when they riot, the non arrests when they stage a demonstration and counter demonstrations covering both sides, tells me they are FBI run and controlled and most of the fairy fucks are FBI pledges or agents. A straw man to frighten idiots into screaming for more government intervention.

I think of them more as spoiled brats that never experienced getting their hides tanned when they mouthed off to their parents.
 
Hearing rumblings from the power elite starting to call for declaring Antifa a terrorist organization,.

I think this is the true purpose of antifas founding and funding, to get the lemmings scared enough to not question the government when they start declaring whole groups in this country " terrorists"...

They are a straw man...

This is teh reason they dont get arrested for all the normal crimes they commit every day. they are the straw-man.

Dont fall for he Charade.

Just insist the popo and Judicial industrial complex enforce current laws against individual crimes before you give them a blank check.
It’s too bad we don’t already have a law that could be enforced like the RICO Act...
 
Ah ha!!! You made my point for me. If a law is on the books, officers have to enforce it. Granted there is some officer descretion. However, LEO enforce the laws on the books whether the public agrees, likes it or not.
If we don't like a law, we have to work to fix it. Whether it be masks, speeding, gun regs ect.

That is very true and way too many people focus on being upset at the enforcers rather than the elitists tools that pass the laws in the first place.

I might add however that the elitists in charge also do pretty openly decide what laws the police can and cannot enforce.
I might also add that in your profession you do to a certain extent have to follow orders as part of the terms of your continued employment and as such it seems there are times when while not being said openly, it is kind of obvious to anyone with their eyes open, that the powers that be, the ones that hand out the orders to the police chiefs who hand out the orders to the police, sometimes order the local police to ignore breaking of laws if the "politically correct" types are the ones doing the problem, or if you do enforce the laws and arrest them the prosecutors will decide that "too difficult to prosecute" and just drop it all...

Strangely however it seems that this tends to happen always in favour of Communist/SJW/Hard left/BLM/Minority mass violence events or property destruction etc. While at the same time the laws are strictly enforced & then prosecuted against anybody of the "conservative side".

It's why I'm very skeptical of allowing any new laws to be passed that could in any way be used against the freedom loving type.

Just like destroying public property is wrong..... until they can't get the votes to tear down a historical statue and the police somehow are told to just stand aside to not "inflame the community" as a bunch of (********) go tearing a statue down in mob action in the middle of the night with a bunch of people watching and filming and the police well.... basically protecting them from conservatives coming in and stopping it.
Somehow I bet if a bunch of idiot pale faces put out a call to go tear down the local MLK Jr statue.... they would find themselves in handcuffs the moment they started putting ropes around the statue...

Or kind of like our local Dallas idiots.... "Woke" prosecutor announces that it's the "right" of "needy" folks to steal from stores as long as it's not like over $750 and they really "needed" it.... told the police sure arrest them if you dare... we'll let them right out again......

Apparently if you have dark skin color you have a "right" to take what you want from anyone (preferably lighter skinned than you).
 
the more I look at it, the non arrests when they attack trumpkins, the non arrests when they riot, the non arrests when they stage a demonstration and counter demonstrations covering both sides, tells me they are FBI run and controlled and most of the fairy fucks are FBI pledges or agents. A straw man to frighten idiots into screaming for more government intervention.

I would go a bit further and say the FBI is pretty much useful puppets for the elitists just like many politicians.

Just to pick one designated boogey man, Soros (Who I think is actually just a fall guy that enjoys being a collaborator like his NAZI helping father).
So Soros guy funnels huge amounts of money into Communist/Democrat political campaigns all across the country....
Same Soros run stuff has been exposed as funding a lot of the BLM/ANTIFA/Anti Wall Street/Ferguson/ETC violent protests in this country.....

And the Deep state run FBI / government filled or run by politicians who got huge amounts of money funneled to them from various Soros front groups decides to "go easy" on Soros funded rioters?........

Yep the elites are just having fun playing both sides as always...

I would probably also lay money that if you see some idiot morons out dressed up cosplaying Neo KKK or Neo Nazi stupidity, that there is a very good chance Soros or one of his type has funded someone to find a bunch of idiots, dress them up and pay them to parade around.....
After all... you need at least some little tan men if you want to have fun playing around with your little green men...
 
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LEOs that enforce unconstitutional laws are not the good guys. period and should be treated as such.

This is where we'll agree to disagree.

As officers, WE don't get to decide what laws are constitutional or unconstitutional. We enforce the laws on the books. Courts decide if that law is constitutional.

Can any civilian decide "speed limits are unconstitutional and therefore I'm going to drive as fast as I want"? That's not the way it works.
 
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This is where we'll agree to disagree.

As officers, WE don't get to decide what laws are constitutional or unconstitutional. We enforce the laws on the books. Courts decide if that law is constitutional.

Can any civilian decide "speed limits are unconstitutional and therefore I'm going to drive as fast as I want"? That's not the way it works.
Yeah the nazis tried that excuse too.

And it's the cops pushing back the boundaries on stuff like the 4th
 
This is where we'll agree to disagree.
As officers, WE don't get to decide what laws are constitutional or unconstitutional. We enforce the laws on the books. Courts decide if that law is constitutional.
Can any civilian decide "speed limits are unconstitutional and therefore I'm going to drive as fast as I want"? That's not the way it works.

I think more correctly it is you don't get to decide what to enforce and not to enforce and still remain employed.

(Hence why I wouldn't have much success being in the LE profession unless I can be an elected sheriff).

You Could choose to not enforce laws you felt were unconstitutional, but that would probably bring your employment / retirement fund to an abrupt end.

And then the department would probably replace you with someone new and probably worse that will keep their mouth shut and do as ordered.
 
When the Patriot act was passed it was under the rational "If you are not a terrorist no one is going to be listening to or surveilling you."

Than we find out from lying James Clapper that they are in fact listening and surveilling every one us.

Seems like the only people they are not listening to are the Nicholas Cruz' and Omar Mateen's of the world.

A camera on every street corner that local cops cant even explain who is viewing it would never have been allowed 50 years ago.
 
AJ, heres a question for you. In so many of your posts, you're totally against local police. (The examples of the threads where the officers shot the knife welding guy) so who do you suggest arrest the guys wearing masks? What do you suggest they do if the guys wearing masks resist arrest and refuse to be arrested?

As I have always tried to say in my posts, not every officer is good. Not every law is bad. But we have laws and those laws make a difference between us and savages. We may well be approaching a time when savages are what we need to be, but until then, we have follow the laws or work to change them.

I agree except when those laws are not enforced equally and that has become the norm when you talk about groups like ANTIFA. The enforcement of the "laws" is where the issue becomes manifest more so than the laws themselves. ANTIFA has been allowed to attack people with what would appear little recourse for their actions. It is the people responsible for the enforcement of those laws that has caused society to get to this point AND they are the ones that should be held accountable at the end of the day.
 
I agree except when those laws are not enforced equally and that has become the norm when you talk about groups like ANTIFA. The enforcement of the "laws" is where the issue becomes manifest more so than the laws themselves. ANTIFA has been allowed to attack people with what would appear little recourse for their actions. It is the people responsible for the enforcement of those laws that has caused society to get to this point AND they are the ones that should be held accountable at the end of the day.


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This is where we'll agree to disagree.

As officers, WE don't get to decide what laws are constitutional or unconstitutional. We enforce the laws on the books. Courts decide if that law is constitutional.

Can any civilian decide "speed limits are unconstitutional and therefore I'm going to drive as fast as I want"? That's not the way it works.
And here you are doing more unconstitutional stuff not mandated by any law.


And every time a new gun law is proposed piles of cops are there supporting it. Making sure they get their cut out to the law.
 
@pmclaine, sorry but I am having a very blonde moment and not understanding what you are saying.

Very insightful self assessment.

Just an example as posted in the quote of Antifa being able to assault while the police do nothing to prevent.

Can you imagine if that was a Hillary supporter being attacked by MAGA hat wearing people?
 
IF the masked people attack innocent people, burn property, and smash and destroy other peoples property.....

THAT IS NOT AN EXPRESSION OF FREE SPEECH....
THAT IS NOT AN EXPRESSION OF ANONYMOUS FREE SPEECH....

Antifa is masked to hide their identity while they attack innocent people, burn, and destroy other people's property.

THIS IS A CRIMINAL ACT.

This is brown shirt Kristalnacht behavior.....

This is KKK behavior.......

If the KKK is a terrorist organization, Antifa is a terrorist organization. The behavior and actions are the same.

The k attacks on racial and political lines.
The a attacks on cultural and political lines.

Both k and a attack, and attack is criminal. Codified b4 the founding of this country and codified at the founding of this country.

Properly enforce the codified criminal law on attack, assault, and destruction of property not their own.
Nothing new is needed except honorable elected officials doing the job they were given by the people.

Anything else is smoke and mirrors abdicating the responsibility of constitutional authority.

Your opinion may vary but the facts do not.
 
When the Patriot act was passed it was under the rational "If you are not a terrorist no one is going to be listening to or surveilling you."

Than we find out from lying James Clapper that they are in fact listening and surveilling every one us.

Seems like the only people they are not listening to are the Nicholas Cruz' and Omar Mateen's of the world.

A camera on every street corner that local cops cant even explain who is viewing it would never have been allowed 50 years ago.
That program was well intentioned (and that “phrase” will trigger quite a few here, but try to keep your heads on), needed, and still is .....BUT NOT THE WAY IT ENDED UP BEING DONE. EMPHASIS on “ended up”...there were some Brilliant work resources that were doing proven accurate logarithmic picks of terrorist activities with near perfect results without saving all info, but in the end, because of insider money making from another contracting source, that near perfect program changed to the old styles, gather it all (names locates contents everything all accessible available info gathering). We had it able to be done right but.....shit again. I don’t think like some here that to my ear, sometimes, begin to nearly sound like Antifa memberships style thinking....I don’t like even seeing me print that and I Damn HOPE it’s as far from THAT as is possible. I believe in Brothers. I believe in God, Family, Honor, and Country, THIS Country. I believe in doing Right with my Soul and Heart....and I know there is very real definable Wrong and I see Evil that’s real and walking the ground. I’m going to always listen.
 
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That program was well intentioned (and that “phrase” will trigger quite a few here, but try to keep your heads on), needed, and still is .....BUT NOT THE WAY IT ENDED UP BEING DONE. EMPHASIS on “ended up”...there were some Brilliant work resources that were doing proven accurate logarithmic picks of terrorist activities with near perfect results without saving all info, but in the end, because of insider money making from another contracting source, that near perfect program changed to the old styles, gather it all (names locates contents everything all accessible available info gathering). We had it able to be done right but.....shit again. I don’t think like some here that to my ear, sometimes, begin to nearly sound like Antifa memberships style thinking....I don’t like even seeing me print that and I Damn HOPE it’s as far from THAT as is possible. I believe in Brothers. I believe in God, Family, Honor, and Country, THIS Country. I believe in doing Right with my Soul and Heart....and I know there is very real definable Wrong and I see Evil that’s real and walking the ground. I’m going to always listen.


The reason our Constitution was designed to prevent govt from doing this shit is because the FF knew everytime a weak human was given a power they eventually came to abuse it.

Everything they told us would not be done with the Patriot Act powers has been done. It took less than a decade for the total abuse to occur.

Abusing us with it is one thing (It should be the most egregious thing) but I think its greatest peril is that it was used against a political candidate that wasnt supposed to win.

Time will tell if the guy has the sack to do anything about it.

I see the art of the deal happening and there will be no consequences to be paid for this HUGE crime.
 
The reason our Constitution was designed to prevent govt from doing this shit is because the FF knew everytime a weak human was given a power they eventually came to abuse it.

Everything they told us would not be done with the Patriot Act powers has been done. It took less than a decade for the total abuse to occur.

Abusing us with it is one thing (It should be the most egregious thing) but I think its greatest peril is that it was used against a political candidate that wasnt supposed to win.

Time will tell if the guy has the sack to do anything about it.

I see the art of the deal happening and there will be no consequences to be paid for this HUGE crime.
Dittos there...I hope every crooked turn is exposed AND given as full and detailed public airing and prosecution as can be. I hope he can muster the team he will need to do it. Of course the media in general MSM will mis characterize everything to THEIR ends. There is serious shit we all know and is evidenced that has been hoisted, ginned up, and Grandly Orchestrated by politicians and media and very certain politicos.
 
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Most cops are puppets doing their master's bidding.
I won't go with most, but I would support the word,... many.
I tend to think if you enforce laws that do not apply to everyone, your part of the problem. There is intent an there is letter, somewhere in between is true balance. However there are times where intent an letter fail corrective measures, an one must "Do the right thing for the public's overall safety. Those who think they are above the law, have no rights at all in my world,...
 
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Based off of that definition, I would say ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, KKK, and a few others, including some government agencies, qualify as “Terrorist Organizations”....
what about terror group who have no political motives ? but rather religious, this definition is super wrong IMO.

some people can not be reasoned with, some men just want to see the world burn.
 
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what about terror group who have no political motives ? but rather religious, this definition is super wrong IMO.

some people can not be reasoned with, some men just want to see the world burn.

I didn’t much care for that last “Google” definition either. Here is a more inclusive definition out of the Marine Corps Institute “Terrorism Awareness” manual.

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The TSA, DOHLS, and the Patriot Act all came about because of 9/11 "we can't let another 9/11 happen and this is what we need to keep US citizens safe" we were told. Bullshit I don't believe we don't have the technology to prevent planes from being hijacked and used as cruise missiles. From cockpit doors that cannot be breached to a silent alarm/auto pilot that would fly the plane to the nearest airport that couldn't be overridden by the pilots on board. Or how about we don't just let anyone have carte blanche once they arrive here from another country. You take away the ability you take away the will.