That is just an all around bad situation for all involved. I am surprised the body cam footage was released. I hate to say it but she needs to spend some time behind bars. If one of us civilians shot someone while thinking we were using something else we would be behind bars.
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maybe they should issue cannons to female officers so they won't have the strength to shoot them?
Without this being indicative of my thoughts on any other aspect of this situation, as a former LEO....do you think you could ever confuse your taser with your pistol?
You would think the weight difference alone would have alerted her.
Exactly what I was thinking.......
And if the guns were kept in the car, this wouldn't have happened
Where did her firearm go when he took off? Suddenly gone from her hands..... did she drop it? Did it end up inside the vehicle when the door slammed? Why did the first engaging officer not complete cuffing the suspect? Some fucked up shit on that stop
That's what I was wondering. How did the cuffs not get applied? Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't hear the discharge of the pistol. It looked more like a training video than reality.
Yep, you would think the discharge of a Glock flavor of the month would have been as loud or louder than the squeal of taser taser taser.
audio might have shut off automatically because of the loudness?Yep, you would think the discharge of a Glock flavor of the month would have been as loud or louder than the squeal of taser taser taser.
I watched the video and heard taser...saw the Glock rear sigh and no boom. No reaction from the driver. All of it seems odd.Yep, you would think the discharge of a Glock flavor of the month would have been as loud or louder than the squeal of taser taser taser.
Possible, someone really adapt in the new tech would have to weigh in on if it sound dampens.
This has happened before and I don't know if I would use the term "often" but more than it should.
However, most departments require a cross draw or support side draw for a taser for this very reason.
Stress does crazy things. Its not excusing any actions. If an officer starts fighting and realizes he/she is in over their head, stress goes through the roof.
Ive seen a video (I belive Vegas PD) where a suspect is im cuffs on the ground and a female officer has her gun out and pointed toward the bad guy. Her finger is on the trigger and she squeezes off a round and missed his head by inches.
Again, not covering or making any excuses. Certainly hold officers accountable for bad decisions.
DudNit?
Looks like she has a lot of seniority....did you note how she sashayed her way in to the situation?
Obviously, she has not spent a lot of quality time at the range with her duty weapon. Even in a "Stress Induced" situation, a trained LEO, would be able to tell the diff.. The grips are similar, but, enough dis-similar(purposely made that way), to not be confused. As was mentioned, weight of both is quite diff., since most LEO carry full-sized duty weapons, not compacts. Just another sucky situation for all involved. Mac
ETA: I've handled/used enough Tasers in my career and there is no way, I would confuse a Taser, with a full-sized firearm, even under stress.
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Cool. But for every one that is decent, there are 100 that are nothing more than a liability for the men out there.
Once a person is out of the car, and then reaches back into the car without the officers permission, all bets are off. I'm not LEO, but somebody hit me once in Orlando, and I got out to look at the damage. All the while the guy was cussing me (for running into the back of me at a stoplight that had been red for at least 20 seconds), all of a sudden he ran to his car, reached through to the glove compartment and at that moment I truly though I may die. NEVER EVER put hands back into car, under seat, in glove box, map pocket, etc unless LE tells one to do so. Anything else, and that outcome will and likely should be the same - gun drawn and focused to fire. Now, firing/not firing is where training comes in.
However, re-watching the video (and nullifying my previous comment on portajohn) anybody not on full guard after that either knows in advance the car is clean and the perp is clean or is the coolest cucumber around. So I can understand a mistake was made but....again, be a dumb shit at a traffic stop and show threatening moves...don't expect to come out unscathed. If more of these fuckwits understood that, then maybe this shit would stop. NOBODY, who's on the up and up with expired registration slips out of the "to-be-cuffed" position, reaches in car, and fights with LE.
That said, she really doesn't seem to be in control enough of the situation to actually call for a shot or not. She's just sticking the gun in and firing. She may well have thought it was a TASER; if so, training for MSP LE must suck big time. She lost it under pressure and that is specifically something they should train under...as other said...sim munitions, force on force (hell even paintball guns), etc.
Go back and look closer. We'll wait.
You would think. But most cops only go to the range once a year to “qualify” with 50 rounds, what do you expect? She panicked, grabbed the wrong weapon, didn’t realize because of the piss poor training that most LEOs receive, and shot the guy.
Look closer at what? I’ve had plenty of personal experience as a LEO. Haven’t met one that I’d rather have roll up with me in a hairy situation over the average male.
If you're not seeing it than you need to go back for more training yourself.
When Tasers first came out,I thought it was foolish to have them shaped like a gun for this very reason. I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often.
That said, I see criminally negligent homicide.
That said, I see criminally negligent homicide.
I assume you're talking about when she grabbed his elbow? Not sure WTF that was all about. Looked like situation was semi under control until then.
I thought one reason tasers are usually carried on the opposite side from the sidearm is to avoid mix ups in high stress situations.
I was referring to the pic of one of our local female cops is aiming an AR with the magazine in backward.
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That's impressive. How does that work?
I mean it'd be ok if the ammo was loaded in backwards into an HK magazine...ROFL.I was talking to another Marble Falls cop and he said she went 'back for more training' and then transferred up the road to Burnet.That's impressive. How does that work?
That kid was fighting and scrambling. No telling what he was up to. Good shoot.
It is, but if you already have one or the other in hand...
There are those experts who are going to bitch and moan but I was shooting on a competitive level before many of them were born. I'm a firm believer in a thumb safety. It's the one movement and manual switch that requires the mind to come back down a conscious deliberate place in the course of a high speed, high stress movement.
I even had a Cominolli thumb safety with a custom modified 1911 style thumb rest installed on my G19 and I love it.
Not following.
You make a concerted decision to taze someone you reach across your body opposite from your gun. One would think they could retain the memory of that decision and action for at least a few minutes.
Cops practice drawing their gun much more than a taser. Muscle memory and adrenaline. It's a rare cop who trains realistically enough to think clearly during an adrenaline dump.
Which further proves my point. The practice draws of a strong side sidearm, which becomes muscle memory or should, far outnumber drawing a taser.
Ive never carried a tazer but have carried OC and Maglite along with a sidearm and I'd always knew which I was reaching for.
I fail to see how one can confuse the gun from the others.
Maybe the woman did practice deploying a tazer more than her duty weapon but can't figure then why she went to her duty weapon first.
Because during the adrenaline dump you revert to what you've practiced most
Apparently thats what happened then.
The woman needs to seek a different line of work because she obviously can't handle and function under stress.
Oh, Jesus. I’m definitely guilty of seeing the thumbnail (on my phone, no less) and moving right along. Wow. I’ll see myself out now.
My favorite is he was working on his career in music. First 48 most used quote.
A few items that you may not hear about if you are not local.
The Brooklyn Center mayor said the officer should be immediately fire. The city manager stated she deserves due process. Both are black men.
The city council voted to abdicate their responsibilities in regards to overseeing the police and city manager over to the mayor. The mayor fired the city manager for the above statement.
Police chief held the news conference yesterday stating the shooting was an accident due to the officer drawing her firearm and not taser. He was very emotional at various points. Stated he is just trying to protect everyone including the peaceful protesters. Calls for his firing followed for two reasons. First he called it an accident and accidental discharge. Second he authorized the use of less than lethal in response to rock and brick throwers.
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Police issue statement that they will not be responding to calls that do not involve a victim. ( assuming they mean do not need medical assistance ).
Certain areas blocked off with armed guards stating police are not welcome. ( source was from police radio traffic)
armed civilians protecting business. If an armed conflict follows it is to be noted MN has a duty-to-retreat law and no castle doctrine. Kyle 2.0 to follow.
Officer involved in the shooting may have attempted to take her life. ( multiple sources but no solid confirmation)
The Brooklyn Center mayor said the officer should be immediately fire. The city manager stated she deserves due process. Both are black men.
The city council voted to abdicate their responsibilities in regards to overseeing the police and city manager over to the mayor. The mayor fired the city manager for the above statement.
Police chief held the news conference yesterday stating the shooting was an accident due to the officer drawing her firearm and not taser. He was very emotional at various points. Stated he is just trying to protect everyone including the peaceful protesters. Calls for his firing followed for two reasons. First he called it an accident and accidental discharge. Second he authorized the use of less than lethal in response to rock and brick throwers.
Updated:
Police issue statement that they will not be responding to calls that do not involve a victim. ( assuming they mean do not need medical assistance ).
Certain areas blocked off with armed guards stating police are not welcome. ( source was from police radio traffic)
armed civilians protecting business. If an armed conflict follows it is to be noted MN has a duty-to-retreat law and no castle doctrine. Kyle 2.0 to follow.
Officer involved in the shooting may have attempted to take her life. ( multiple sources but no solid confirmation)
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It spread last night too, just as expected. Lots of shots fired in places like Apple Valley and I heard earlier in the day riots were planned in Eden Prairie, not sure how that ended up.
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