Just like the Dane Cook bit about Oprah. “You get a wildcat, and you get a wildcat, and you get a wildcat”! Everybody gets a wildcat!
AND.... Another 'special' cartridge that will fall into the niche category with limited supply/mfg. coverage... The Browning 6.8 Western.
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Shiiit, if I have to introduce a new cartridge just for 2020/2021, it will be a nonlethal, non-dangerous 12 gauge "clown face" paint round designed to be fired from a hand held flare gun. Upon firing into the target's face, the mixture of pigments ejected from the cartridge instantly turns the target's face into a fully painted party clown. Awesome for trolling leftist NPCs when they say stupid shit and it is not "hate speech", since it does not involve any speech at all, and not "assault" either because the paint rounds would be designed to not cause actual pain and should be fairly "easy" to wash off, with effort of course...
The 6.8 Eastern is the same round, it just arrives 2-3 hours earlier!
The way the OP feels about this is exactly the way i felt about it last week or last last week whenever it came out.
Nothing special here, id rather just grab a PRC if it were me.
Nothing special here, id rather just grab a PRC if it were me.
You just described the only calibers in my safe. Except 50 BMG, still saving up.
Looking at the SAAMI sheet for it, this new one is 35 degree. That makes it different from every other cartridge I am awarre of, certainly all the common ones every one is making comparisons here. Still don't quite see the point of it.
My brother explained it all above. The only wildcat/oddball cartridges I have that are not on his list are the 270 Win and the 17wsm/17hmr/17M2. I guess I was not focused on bunny hunting when I made my selections, lol. Carry on lads... Irish
Because the animals we hunt wont die with the old cartridges. The modern animals can only be harvested with the most modern rounds.
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FN has 7.62 x 51 Fnar that is essentially a scaled down BAR. I had a 16” hbar unit for a few years. It has too many moving parts and disassembly/reassembly was a nightmare.
One on the few firearms I no longer have that I don’t miss...
There is only one reason- that matters- for a firearms manufacturer (though Browning doesn’t actually manufacture any firearms, but whatever) to release a new cartridge. FIREARM SALES!!!
No, the 6.8 eastern is fired from a 0.277 bore shotgun...
This all day long. Standardize a 7SS that fits in 2.95” mag with 180 Berger’s and plenty of case capacity but in 7mm not 6.8.
its SAUM length (2.020) with 35 degree shoulder (wsm)....would make a good neck up (7mm) or down (6.5) cartridge, with shitty brass
to me the fun thing would be to improve the Lapua 6.5 PRC barss to 35 shoulder stay at 6.5mm or yp to 7mm....an in between the sherman and standard cartidges....obviously the adg brass in rsaum is same quality as lapua and can do the same....but slightly smaller case volume with PRC case
to me the fun thing would be to improve the Lapua 6.5 PRC barss to 35 shoulder stay at 6.5mm or yp to 7mm....an in between the sherman and standard cartidges....obviously the adg brass in rsaum is same quality as lapua and can do the same....but slightly smaller case volume with PRC case
I think it fits a perfect niche. Ammo that's in stock and that which is not in stock. I literally saw it on the shelf at scheels yesterday right next to the ever popular 350 legend and 224 valkyrie. Grab it while you can, I've heard you can rebore your crappy 223's by cramming it in the chamber and firing once. Always wear eye protection!
Its a short action and does not require a special bolt face.
For an ultralight gun, it is interesting.
You don't need a longer freebore with long bullets since the tips don't touch anything. If the OAL is limited by the box mag then cartridges designed for long high BC bullets usually have a shorter freebore.
and...they lose a shitload of case capacity and have garbage bullet placement in the neck/shoulder
see 7SAUM with 195s in a short action versus a medium/long action
or 300WM with 215s at saami length
While trying to keep this discussion to rifles shooting .277 caliber bullets, let me add
Once saw a beautiful rifle sitting on a local dealer’s shelf for ages. Looked brand new but it wasn’t. It was chambered in that magic cartridge, .25 Super Super Short Magnum. A round almost as good as the almost 100 year old .25-06.
So, getting back to the Super short .270’s the 6.8 ole westerners, and any other zippidy do da .277 caliber super gun.
Tell me, what can any of them do that the .270 Winchester and the 270 Weatherby Not Do? Keeping in mind that action length has nothing to do with this discussion. As the OP implied, they all seem to be answers to questions never asked. And, there really can be only one super success story like the .30-06, (early 1900’s) the .308 (middle 1900’s) and the 6.5 Creedmoor (early 2000’s) per lifetime.
* and don’t tell me about the .270 Ren. That thing is deader than any doo doo and can’t hold a candle to the 300 Whisper/Blackout
Once saw a beautiful rifle sitting on a local dealer’s shelf for ages. Looked brand new but it wasn’t. It was chambered in that magic cartridge, .25 Super Super Short Magnum. A round almost as good as the almost 100 year old .25-06.
So, getting back to the Super short .270’s the 6.8 ole westerners, and any other zippidy do da .277 caliber super gun.
Tell me, what can any of them do that the .270 Winchester and the 270 Weatherby Not Do? Keeping in mind that action length has nothing to do with this discussion. As the OP implied, they all seem to be answers to questions never asked. And, there really can be only one super success story like the .30-06, (early 1900’s) the .308 (middle 1900’s) and the 6.5 Creedmoor (early 2000’s) per lifetime.
* and don’t tell me about the .270 Ren. That thing is deader than any doo doo and can’t hold a candle to the 300 Whisper/Blackout
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It’s pretty straightforward, do you really not get it? I personally think the cartridge is half baked, but the reason they made it is abundantly clear.
No I don't, outside of trying to market something new, it is simply a reinvention of the wheel. Short actions and short powder columns are supposed to be the 'bees knees' but in reality, excepting a few ounces of saved weight, any real advantage in a hunting rifle is beyond practical measurement. So, what is really to get?
Oh the 270 Ren! Here I was reading this thread thinking how empty my life was because of the glaringly obvious gap in the calibers I’ve owned, because I never had anything in that range. But I read that and remembered I had owned 270 Ren in the past. Wish I still did, one of the coolest looking cartridges ever in my opinion. lol
Next to a .270 Wby
Next to a .270 Wby
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Only time I see Browning anything is on a hat or sticker. just sayin.
Manufacturers introduce new cartridges to sell rifles. Full stop. Gun writers are complicit in this. And, both know there is an entire market segment that must have the new shiny- if properly hyped. They will click links, subscribe, like, ring the notification bell, buy actual glossy print magazines, and shell out their hard earned money for the new wonder cartridge.
Remove your blinders for a minute, and look at the rifle and ammo specs. It has nothing to do with action length.
But in all seriousness. I don’t actually have any feelings one way or another about any new cartridges. If I think a given cartridge will shoot a certain range of bullet weight, I’ll buy a barrel for it. There also needs to be a reliable source of good brass. This may include the 6.8 Western in the future or it may not.
I share your concern. Primer availability remains a big problem. I for one, don’t really know what the source of all this “unprecedented demand” is. Does anybody else know? The only ones who really know are the primer makers, and they are keeping quiet. They should know because every loaded round needs a primer, as does every reloader wanting to load his/her own ammo. Who are their largest customers for primers? Government, foreign and/or domestic? There aren’t that many domestic primer makers. Collective data on their customer volume should be VERY illuminating. Private hoarding would mean that retail outlet sales-to-order volume for free primers could equal or exceed Government ammo orders. Of course, that information is going to be proprietary and so mum’s the word. Does it matter that we know? Probably not.
I'm a bit spoiled. I've owned a 270 Winchester Ackley Improved for most of my adult life.
I've often wondered what a .277-08 might be like.
Then the legal strife and he said, she said, of the WSM naming putting the clamp on a 270 WSM.
When news of the Fury came out i again wondered what a short action might work out to be.
Then this 6.8 whatever the hell comes out in heavy for bore, needing a unique twist and possible freebore adaptations to be even acceptable let alone functional and ....
I own a 270 Win BSA CF2 as well as the pre 64 270 AI.
I still play with 277-08 AI in a Remington 700
I have no need for another 277 bore anything.
Now if Sig were to come out with a 10mm pistol cartridge necked down to .277"
I've often wondered what a .277-08 might be like.
Then the legal strife and he said, she said, of the WSM naming putting the clamp on a 270 WSM.
When news of the Fury came out i again wondered what a short action might work out to be.
Then this 6.8 whatever the hell comes out in heavy for bore, needing a unique twist and possible freebore adaptations to be even acceptable let alone functional and ....
I own a 270 Win BSA CF2 as well as the pre 64 270 AI.
I still play with 277-08 AI in a Remington 700
I have no need for another 277 bore anything.
Now if Sig were to come out with a 10mm pistol cartridge necked down to .277"
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