Gunsmithing Bedding an AICS like an AW

[Keith Johns]

Is there a problem with bedding a trued Remy into an AICS like AI does their AWs?

I couldn't help but wonder after seeing that video on changing AW barrels.


I realize you'd want to use a over sized lug, and probably tig or pin it to the receiver.


Searched the Hide and didn't find my answer. I know I could search google but then I wouldn't be starting this thread for others to see
If this thread already exists and I'm bad at searching, please point me to it

 

[dmg308]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

Yeah you wont be able to access or tune your trigger.You wont be able to get the gun rebarreled.

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

Rebarreling was my concern.

Forgive my ignorance, but why cant you rebarrel it?

 

[Turk]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

All I can say is; I hope you like your trigger!

 

[Badshot308]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

I've wondered the same thing about permanently epoxying a 700 action into an AICS. I think the trigger issue could be solved be machining holes that would allow the trigger cross pins to be driven out. Having the receiver fitted with a bolt release on the left side would make the trigger issue easier to deal with as well. I've never rebarreled a 700 so I don't know how much more difficult it would be to do with the action epoxied into the chassis. As long as the action is trued prior being permanently attached to the chassis,the idea sounds doable.

 

[Boomholzer]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

The AI system doesn't use the stock for torque, just the barrel vice and action wrench.

Non epoxied Surgeon rcvrs in a AICS will do the same.

I *think the key difference is in torque for proper headspace and the Rem recoil lug.

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All I can say is; I hope you like your trigger!

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Haven't you heard about Huber?
LowLight gave the thumbs up on the Huber triggers. I'd try one.


I know head spacing would be a bitch changing out barrels but if AI can do it why cant someone else. Headspacing can be adjusted with the barrel tightened down to the receiver. I watched it done a couple days ago.
And why cant a similar style key and wrench be used to remove/replace the barrel like in the AI video?


Sorry if I'm totally missing something but it seems if AI does it so well with the AW then we should be able to with a Rem style action.

If you haven't seen the video I'm talking about you might want to watch it. Those AWs are more than I thought. And no I dont mean price even though they're expensive as hell.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

i'm not sure what headspace has to do with gluing the action to the chassis. i don't have an aics in my hands but i am sure the trigger issues could be dealt with. a rear entry wrench could be used similar to the ai rifles to torque a barrel on and off. someone mentioned the remington style recoil lug. i am not even sure a recoil lug would be needed if the action was permanently bonded to the chassis.

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

I'd imagen the lug would still be needed, but could be pined/tiged in place.
Or use a Rem clone action of your choice with an integral lug.


I figured this would be a "yes or no because......" question


AI does it. I'm just wondering if you could with a Remy/clone

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

Another question, how many foot pounds are Remingtons barrels tightened to?
AI said the AWs are 100Flbs


I don't doubt that I'm missing something here but I just cant think of why it wouldn't be possible.

And I ask because when funds allow me to build another rifle, I'd really like another 338LM in an AICS like the one I got screwed on(by HD rifles btw) a couple years ago.
If it wasn't a 338LM I probably wouldn't consider epoxying it like an AW. But, I want to try if it is possible

 

[Rootshot]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

My KMW rifle has a Surgeon action is bedded to my AICS.

I remember asking Terry Cross what the benefit is to bedding an action into a aluminum V-block. He said that on a Surgeon there is little benefit because of the quality of the action (I had him do it anyways).

Since stock Remington actions are heat treated after machining, they may warp and not seat perfectly in a V-block, therefore bedding has a benefit.

The action is not glued in, it is easy to remove it and tune the Jewell trigger.

I have tried torquing my barrels to 75 ft-lbs and 50 ft-lbs with no discernable difference.

--Rootshot

 

[desertHK]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

The AI action is permanently bonded onto the chasis. Therefore, it becomes one unit. The skin is then screwed onto the chasis. That's why you can just twist the action off the barrel.

Are you thinking of permanently bond your Remy action to an AICS?

 

[Supersubes]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

Benchrest rifles are mostly glue-in, so there is no reason you could not do that here. Add a side bolt release and holes for driving the trigger pins out and you'd be good.

 

[buffybuster]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

The only thing needed for the AICS is pinning the lug, drilling access holes for the trigger group and developing a method to torque the barrel correctly without unduely stressing the action/chasis.

Could probably do this with the McCree Chasis or it's already kind of done with Tube Guns, perhaps that can be use as a basis.(would have interchangeable buttstock/forend configurations)

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Bedding an AICS like an AW

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Are you thinking of permanently bond your Remy action to an AICS? </div></div>


Yea that's what I mean. Not bedding. Permanently epoxying it in like AI.