Bolt Carrier Group: to chrome or not to chrome....

Hey Chaps,

regarding BCG's; im seeing a few options for my AR-15 build (RRA A4 platform) including:
a) chromed BCG from RRA,
b) phosphate coated BCG from BCM, <span style="font-style: italic">(backordered for eternity it seems)</span>
c) and the sort of regular black steel from a bunch of manufacturers.

Pro's and Con's?
Experiences with one or the other?
Tip on another product/brand that might be better?

As always, you guys are great. so much help!
- VT308
 
Re: Bolt Carrier Group: to chrome or not to chrome....

Find a DD, LMT, BCM properly staked Auto carrier for a little weight and go shoot. The coated ones may run a little slicker or may be easier to clean, but with the right oil the DD, LMT, BCM will run and run.
 
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I have shot a lot of different bcg's and if you are going to get one coated send it to Robar for the NP3 coating. It has teflon in the coating and is self lubricating. It cleans up easily and I have found it awesome to use suppressed.
 
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+1 on what chucky said. i've got a larue stealth upper(yea yea, quit the fanboy bullshit) that came with a phosphated bcg, i was planning on sending it out to robar for np3. it's $160 for np3 and 190 for np3 plus. getting a new chrome one will run about that much, but you might have to deal with headspacing issues.

the general consensus is it only makes cleaning easier and you may not have to run as much lube. ymmv
 
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Looked into this a while back a little for my Armalites. If you have plenty of money and dont mind a little hastle in getting it done I'd say why not, how could a little self lurication hurt and might even help sometimes? They'll always clean easier.
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Then I told myself why bother if all three my guns run like machines? In my eperience, properly made and lubed BCG's will run right coated or not.

okie
 
Re: Bolt Carrier Group: to chrome or not to chrome....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Then I told myself why bother if all three my guns run like machines? In my eperience, properly made and lubed BCG's will run right coated or not.

okie </div></div>

This, and for the record it doesn't have to come from "DD, or LMT, or name the big name vendor of the month" to be quality. Many of those companies outsource their BCGs.
 
Re: Bolt Carrier Group: to chrome or not to chrome....

A bunch of years ago I bought five Colt FA BCGs and I have not used them all up yet.
 
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What a carrier exterior is coated with matters as much as what a civil war cannon exterior was coated with. A carrier exterior touches nothing, except for those four little rails; two beside the gas tube key, and the two below it. Those four rails need to be coated with something lubricating, hopefully grease, or in sub-freezing; oil. Those four small areas are the only areas that endure friction on a properly functioning AR15/10 carrier. If its out of alignment the back of the carrier might wobble and touch the buffer tube about as much as your finger touches your trouser while walking. A feather stroke. You could wipe wet horse shit on a carrier, let it dry, run the AR and the gun would never know unless the shit flaked off down onto the triggery stuff and fouled it up but from some of y'all guns I've seen that what's happening anyway so hell...... I took in a Kimber, Hi-Power and MKIII Saturday and none of them have ever seen one drop of lube. And the HI-power is old as hell.

But I hate phosphate finishes on my carriers, and I remove it because I like mine to be easy to clean and it makes no sense to me to coat a carrier with anything except grease or Cerakote just in case it might need lube. I even grease the buffer spring, for one reason to help delay the breach opening. I mean not with a whole tube of the stuff. Be reasonable. Just a little dab al do ya.

NP3 coating of carriers is as much a gimmick as selling an Eskimo an ice cooler. They're ghetto bling, but that's it. NP3 the barrel exterior too. Its the same thing. An imbecile, bless his heart, might grease tire tread. What the hell is the point of that? If someone wanted to NP3 bolt lugs, now. I'd get that, or even the whole bolt. But no. Not the carrier, excepting the rails.

I got it!! Let's pour motor oil on the roof of our cars. Of course. Why not? They'll be slicker so we'll go faster easier. Right.
 
Re: Bolt Carrier Group: to chrome or not to chrome....

Do you need a coated BCG?...No, absolutely not. Will a Mil-spec phosphate coated BCG run reliably for thousands or rounds if properly lubricated...Yes, absolutely.

Can the modern coatings be nice to have?...yes, it's up to you.

The coated BCG's, as stated above, will require less lube, will be easier to clean, will probably last longer (reduced wear through harder surface finish?) and "may" run with a little less friction (perhaps more reliable?).

I have run BCG's with Hard Chrome, DLC (Ion Bond), Nickel Boron (Fail Zero) and Nickel Teflon (Robar NP3). They all certainly clean easier, are more resistant to corrosion and require slightly less lube. As to the other benefits, that's a little more subjective, but I certainly have not had any negative issues associated with any of these coatings (though they had best be properly applied by a reputable shop that specializes in firearms parts).

I personally like some of these modern coatings and think they go a step above those minimum requirements as stated it the Mil-Spec.