Suppressors Can I pin/weld my Suppressor to a new SBR and have it right away?

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I found a LWRC PSD 6.8 that I want on arf.com. I already have a suppressor. The PSD has never had paperwork filed for it and it is still at his dealer. Can I transfer it to my dealer and have my suppressor pinned and welded to clear the 16 inch length rule and take it home?
 
If the 6.8 is registered as a SBR then NO. If it's a short barreled upper not registered as such then YES

Example; If I go to my local gun show or shop and find a 10.5" upper. I can purchase this upper and have my 6" suppressor pinned to it and have a upper I can use on any lower.


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The upper isn't the registered part of the SBR. Your dealer will most likely release the upper to you and it will be your responsibility not to assemble it on a non SBR registered rifle lower. You could have the suppressor permanently attached and then legally use that upper on any lower and at that point you would just be waiting for an SBR registered lower. At that point you can buy a different SBR upper and not have to wait to attach it to your registered lower.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but I have been researching this type of law a great deal lately and this is what I've come up with. My dealer confirmed when I asked him that he would release an SBR upper to me after purchase if I purchased a complete registered SBR from him.
 
I found a LWRC PSD 6.8 that I want on arf.com. I already have a suppressor. The PSD has never had paperwork filed for it and it is still at his dealer. Can I transfer it to my dealer and have my suppressor pinned and welded to clear the 16 inch length rule and take it home?
I wouldn't do that.
Just get a Sig Pistol Brace, and call it a day. They are $125 or so.
It will give you every thing you want with out Pinning it.
I just got a Sig 516 with one in stock. They are a great way to have a SBR with out Having to do the paper work. Also it is considered a pistol and you don't have to get permission from the ATF to take it out of state.
The only down side is you can not put a Vert Grip on, But lights and Finger stops, Slings you name it.
Check them out.
Sig Pistol Brace,

SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace
P516 10" Pistol with SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace
 
I wouldn't do that.
Just get a Sig Pistol Brace, and call it a day. They are $125 or so.
It will give you every thing you want with out Pinning it.
I just got a Sig 516 with one in stock. They are a great way to have a SBR with out Having to do the paper work. Also it is considered a pistol and you don't have to get permission from the ATF to take it out of state.
The only down side is you can not put a Vert Grip on, But lights and Finger stops, Slings you name it.
Check them out.
Sig Pistol Brace,

SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace
P516 10" Pistol with SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace

I would definitely go the pistol route before pinning a suppressor.
 
Exactly what Ranger said; I just built a lower with a RRA pistol buffer tube and put a Sig brace on it. Built my 8.5" blackout upper and no waiting on a tax stamp that will likely take close to a year at this point. I'm still waiting on cans that went pending in June with no end in sight for now. Sig brace is comfortable and works great.

I wouldn't do that.
Just get a Sig Pistol Brace, and call it a day. They are $125 or so.
It will give you every thing you want with out Pinning it.
I just got a Sig 516 with one in stock. They are a great way to have a SBR with out Having to do the paper work. Also it is considered a pistol and you don't have to get permission from the ATF to take it out of state.
The only down side is you can not put a Vert Grip on, But lights and Finger stops, Slings you name it.
Check them out.
Sig Pistol Brace,

SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace
P516 10" Pistol with SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace
 
A registered SBR receiver without its associated short upper is, according to the NFA FAQ, NOT an NFA "firearm" so long as the owner does not have "dominion or control" over the parts necessary to turn the receiver into an SBR. In other words, you can own a registered receiver and a Title I 16"+ upper and NO short upper and the registered receiver, while still registered, is NOT an NFA item and you do NOT have to ask for permission to move it interstate. If you are permanently doing away with the SBR status they ask that you notify the NFA Branch so they can removed it from the registry, but you do not have to do so.

If, however, you maintain dominion and control over the short upper, even if its home in your gun safe while you're hunting out of state with the receiver and a Title I upper, then the receiver IS an NFA item and you have to ask for permission to move it interstate.

Therefore, an SBR registered rifle at a Class III dealer's shop is only an NFA regulated item when the "owner" (in this case the dealer) has the short upper attached and for sale. It seems to me that if the dealer is ALSO an SOT licensed gunsmith or manufacturer, the dealer can indeed modify the upper so it's legally not short and then sell you the entire rifle without going through the transfer paperwork.

You might inquire as to whether you can buy the UPPER (but not the receiver) and take it with you and have the suppressor welded on and THEN come back and buy the receiver to go with it. Without the short upper, the receiver, even though registered, ceases to be an NFA regulated item. But if you buy the receiver separate from the barrel as a Title I receiver, then buy the short barrel (or another) then you are in violation because you have the parts to assemble an unregistered SBR "in close proximity" and you "maintain dominion and control" of them.

Whether a dealer will agree to do the transaction this way is up to the dealer, but I don't see why you can't have the upper modified to be Title I-legal before buying (or simply taking possession of) the registered lower as an unregistered (or de-registered if you will) Title I lower. It would be no different from the dealer simply swapping in a Title I upper before selling it to you, although that leaves him with an orphan short upper, which might be problematic for him paperwork wise.

Of course, not being a lawyer, my advice is worth exactly what you paid for it, so ask your dealer.
 
I wouldn't do that.
Just get a Sig Pistol Brace, and call it a day. They are $125 or so.
It will give you every thing you want with out Pinning it.
I just got a Sig 516 with one in stock. They are a great way to have a SBR with out Having to do the paper work. Also it is considered a pistol and you don't have to get permission from the ATF to take it out of state.
The only down side is you can not put a Vert Grip on, But lights and Finger stops, Slings you name it.
Check them out.
Sig Pistol Brace,

SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace
P516 10" Pistol with SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace

Only problem I have is that my SIG 556P doesn't have a buffer tube, so I can't use the buffer-tube style forearm brace. Do they make on that fits directly on the back of a 556P without the buffer tube...that might even be QD removable?
 
Only problem I have is that my SIG 556P doesn't have a buffer tube, so I can't use the buffer-tube style forearm brace. Do they make on that fits directly on the back of a 556P without the buffer tube...that might even be QD removable?

Here is the link, they make a adaptor to put one on.
SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace
 
I wouldn't do that.
Just get a Sig Pistol Brace, and call it a day. They are $125 or so.
It will give you every thing you want with out Pinning it.
I just got a Sig 516 with one in stock. They are a great way to have a SBR with out Having to do the paper work. Also it is considered a pistol and you don't have to get permission from the ATF to take it out of state.
The only down side is you can not put a Vert Grip on, But lights and Finger stops, Slings you name it.
Check them out.
Sig Pistol Brace,

SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace
P516 10" Pistol with SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace

Is an AFG gtg on a pistol?
 
Here is the link, they make a adaptor to put one on.
SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace

Looked through the whole site and didn't find any sort of adapter tube for the 556P to use with the brace, just the brace itself or an entire pistol with brace attached.

I wonder if one could use the pivot from the folding stock on the 556 rifle along with a buffer tube and the brace to make a foldable forearm brace?
 
Is an AFG gtg on a pistol?

There is someone on arfcom with a letter from the ATF stating an AFG Is acceptable on a pistol. I'm not a lawyer and you may want to get your own letter but I have read it and hand stops/afg are ok according to them at this point in time.

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There is someone on arfcom with a letter from the ATF stating an AFG Is acceptable on a pistol. I'm not a lawyer and you may want to get your own letter but I have read it and hand stops/afg are ok according to them at this point in time.

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From Whom at the ATF did he get the letter? Or is it listed in a reg? If so please post that info.
 
Here is the link with the letter as a google doc as well

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/509408_.html

The reply was from John Spencer Chief Firearms Technology Branch. That is not the only letter I have seen regarding the AFG though. There is another that is more broad in spectrum also from the Tech Branch. That is just the top google link for AFG on AR pistol.


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Here is the link with the letter as a google doc as well

Official Response From ATF on Magpul AFG for AR-15 Pistols (Letter Added) - AR15.COM

The reply was from John Spencer Chief Firearms Technology Branch. That is not the only letter I have seen regarding the AFG though. There is another that is more broad in spectrum also from the Tech Branch. That is just the top google link for AFG on AR pistol.


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Thank you Sir!!! That is great