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Suppressors Dry vs. Wet Pistol Suppressor

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I need some advice on what 9mm pistol suppressor to get. To start narrowing it down, I wanted to know what opinions folks have for dry vs. wet suppressors.


From my total ignorance of the topic, it seems like a wet silencer is quieter, but is putting the oil or whatnot inside of it a hassle or a setback in any way? Like do you damage it if you run it dry, or is it just not so quiet, or is it then less quiet than a suppressor meant to run dry to begin with?

I've got a little bit of experience with suppressors on rifles, but I have no clue where to begin with one for pistol. Just looking for some advice, and this is the first question I wanted to answer.

Thanks in advance all.
 
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No damage running it dry. Its really not a hassle putting the ablative in either. When I run my YHM Cobra wet, I put wire pulling gel in the blast chamber. Yes, you need to take the can off but, that's it. It is quieter with the gel in there. Lasts a couple of mags through my 45.

The real draw back for me is the mess. The pistol gets absolutly filthy. There are also some instances when you get "stuff" sprayed back on ya. I've never put an ablative in either of my 9mm cans. Mostly I run my 45 can dry as well.

If the money is the same, get a can that doesn't require any juice to be hearing safe.
 
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I should also tell you my understanding of the function of the ablative. Whether its wire pulling gel, water, spit, whatever.........the idea is to use the energy of the hot gas to vaporize the ablative and therfore reduce the amount of energy that comes out of the hole in the form of heat and noise. Same idea of injecting water into the cylinder of an engine as a form of intercooler. The water absorbs the heat energy as the water turns from a liquid to a gas.

I don't know of any pistol cans that are "designed" to run wet. Most can, since the muzzle energy is so low (when compared to a rifle) that the addition of a liquid and reduction of volume won't cause any pressure issues.

These wet issues would only be a issue when running on a semi auto. Running a can wet on a single shot would pose no issues for the shooter.
 
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They will all be quieter wet. Unless you specifically want something designed to be run wet like a DeGroat Nano or Thompson Poseidon, get the best dry can you are able to based on what you consider to be important.



Good luck
 
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I frequently run my YHM Cobra wet. I just use a cap full of water every few mags or so. Not a hassle. Just tip up the muzzle and pour it in...

I've seen others use everything from wire pulling gel to hand sanitizer, but water works just fine for me with no damage or lingering residue. The sound reduction is significant.

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tirant or osprey. they are clear leaders in 9mm cans right now. although the guys that make the trident 9 came out with a new take apart can which has an option of SS baffles with out much added weight.


wire pulling gel or water seem to be the best.
 
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9mm Wet and dry cans...there can be differences. Yes, some designs are made to be run wet from their inception. No, when properly loaded, from the right end, with the right ablative, from the right tool, in the right amount, with the right twist out, they are not dirty, do not spit back and are as clean on the host and the shooter as a dry can. I have wet cans, specifically designed to be wet that are quiet, clean and easy on the host. Nothing, repeat NOTHING is as quiet as a wet pistol can. Even the best dry can can be made more quiet wet.

The issue is as others have said, volume of fire. Need a can that is really small? Say 9mm can that fits in your pocket? Not going to dumping more than a clip? Need as quiet as possible? Wet and filthy. Any can is quieter filthy, whether or not its an ablative or pure crap, up to a point, even dry cans are quieter wet.

- Water cools best, creates good turbulence but last the shortest of all, perhaps as few as three 9mm rounds in some designs. Watch out, some hosts will be badly corroded with the use of water in the can. Barrels, gas systems can both be adversely effected by the resulting steam out in some hosts.

- Light oils (Rem Oil, etc.) work well, is easy to apply and will last for perhaps 6-8 9mm rounds. Same for Wire Gel (use clear gel). After that things get louder fast.

- Heavy grease works well, lasts the longest and will require less and less loading over time. Perhaps as many as 18 9mm rounds with superb suppression.

Most folks just don't know:

1. Load the can from the blast baffle side and pull the grease out the rear end of the can, not the muzzle end. Yes, this requires taking the can off the host. If you want maximum quiet, that is the process. The forward chambers are not to be loaded and will capture the heavier ablatives.

2. Use a loading tool specifically designed for heavy ablatives. And use the right amount! Most 9mm cans use 10 cc of lithium like products. Again draw it backwards (requiring taking your can off) and twist your applicator to lay material in.

3. Use a straw tube to load light oils. Stick the straw in from the rear of the can and again load it pulling back quickly. Light oils, gels blow right out. The idea is not big material loads here, the idea is to improve on water running out your holster. Not really going to work past a point and spray or dumping large amount of oil or gel is a waste. Less important to avoid loading the forward chambers.

4. Leave the can on and dip 2/3 of the can if using water and shake. Shake it with the barrel still down. Try not to lift the muzzle up until the vast majority of water is out.

Wet cans are meant to achieve the absolute quietest operation. Whatever process is required to get it right for 8 rounds is meaningless to those that require that level of suppression. Planning on standing at the range and banging away all day? Go dry, go big volume and expect louder readings.

Wet or dry...never clean your can. If your shooting rim fire its a whole different set of issues.

We are talking pistol cans and pistol cartridges here, not center fire rifle cans.

Here are a couple to view...

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8176267/suppressor-basics

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8193125/should-i-clean-my-centerfire-suppressor

On the can below, you can swap out the end to accept a stationary interface (no Neilson) allowing for use on non reciprocating barrel. Their new 9mm T.H.O.R. is now available as well, called Triad.

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Alright, this is some really helpful feedback so far. Thank you guys.

So since ya'll have brought up the subject of how dirty these run the gun...

I've used a suppressor on an Armalite Ar-10 A4 carbine, and it ran so filthy that the rifle was darn near inoperable after about 50 rounds. Do I need to expect the same thing with a suppressor on a 9mm pistol? I mean I know that way more carbon saturated gas stays in the weapon and what not, but would a suppressor be as dirty on say a Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm pistol as it is on a direct gas impingement AR?
 
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The idea that all suppressors create the same blow back and resulting filth is not true.

Poor suppressor designs rely on high pressure turbulence and they are terrible on gas operated rifles, especially in FA. Many, no...most, rifle cans are designed for SA use, basically for bolt rifles. Why, if you know your can is not FA rated, would make back pressure in a gas operated rifle a priority? At what point do you say "can is heating up....things are getting louder....pressure is building...I need to change this design." Answer....you wouldn't. Usa a LOW PRESSURE can for gas operated firearms. Don't judge pistol can performance, wet or dry, by mounting a high pressure bolt gun can on a SA designed rifle can. You can do much better.

Everyday I read on the Hide that somebody has an AR and is getting blow back and I think "bolt gun" can...designed improperly and it shows. True high volume designs actually use different blast chambers, baffle sets, chamber dimensions, gas porting and end caps to insure LOW PRESSURE. Others do not, their concept is basically "open up the can's bore as the pressure is too high." That gets you a face full.

You do not need to have high blow back in a FA gas rifle.
You do not need to have blow back and filth in a wet pistol can.

Look, folks buy cans everyday for their pistol and never even think to ask "How is it the these cans aren't specific for a given host? Does every Neilson simply know what slide weight, round configuration, bushing/barrel requirement my pistol has?" Answer...hell no, so the designers goose the internal pressure way up to insure every damn pistol will cycle....S-M-A-C-K goes your slide. Yep, it cycled...must be a great can. Really good can companies will ask what host and have 2 or 3 Neilson springs to adapt the can. Some companies will want to see the host..especially if the job includes a new threaded barrel. HIGH PRESSURE cans are the cheapest way to go, easiest to design, hardest on your host and....right....filthy to operate.

Buy the right can for your M&P and you will not experience what some do.

First determine what your actually requirement/use is and match your can accordingly. As there is no real "hearing safe" can out there, take your time. Why no "hearing safe?" well, the dBs reading of hearing safe is the same impact as a jackhammer head read at 12"...that is "hearing safe." Once a day...maybe. 18 rounds in a minute....what did you say? Speak up. But, load for subsonic, get a great wet can and its a low frequency thud.


 
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RollingThunder51,

Dang, I appreciate it, I'm learning alot here. So right now I've got an S&W M&P 9c and I would shoot that suppressed for fun, though on my list of "someday purchases" is a Sig p226 xfive tactical or some other full sized tactical pistol (though i still like 9mm).

So are you saying that its not a one silencer fits all type cure even among the same caliber?

Like lets just say that I had this compact M&P and a full size Sig p229 (both in 9mm) - any way that I could get the good performance you speak of with one can passed back and forth between the two?
 
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yes but remember to make sure barrels have the same threads .
you can utube the osprey shooting a 9mm through a 40 can then a 45 can . might be a consideration to have 1 can with the adapters for all your hand guns
 
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Yeah i thought about just gettin a suppressor for 45 auto and then being able to pass anything smaller through it, but I heard it won't be nearly as quiet when throwing 9mm through it which is my only auto pistol round now(and i'm pretty content to stick with 9mm to save money - seems easy enough to just buy subsonic 147 grain loads - or just load my own subsonic once i actually start reloading).
 
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IMO there is no .45 can that does a great job suppressing 9mm. The differences between the two cartridges are just too great. Will it do some suppression? Yes. Worth a damn, no...not if suppression means excellent 9mm suppression. .45 cans that have huge volume might do a better job, but it will still be B-. One great 9mm can will work with all your pistols and static barrels as well.

Breacher, relax, there are a number of excellent, put a smile on your face cans out there. You should, if you at all can try a Hems, Osprey, Jupiter's Eye, Triad, etc. These are outstanding cans. Me? I do not buy aluminum envelope cans. I want Ti if possible, wet, swap end, FA rated (yep, in a 9mm can) and epoxy finishes.

Everybody has an opinion, mine is that the best 9mm in not an Osprey or Hems..the best by far is the AWC Triad T.H.O.R. system, 100% titanium deep penetration welded. They started coming off a brand new line that is providing T.H.O.R.s to the armed forces since November in a variety of calibers. Crazy over the top quality and design. Operator can swap out the rears and, in doing so, access to inspect/clean the blast and "1 baffle as well. These are not even on the web site yet, though the U.S. made solid Ti envelopes have arrived and are in process. The milling of the exteriors is $100+ (Ti NOT included) and more than two hours as the envelope internal is not linear either! Under 7 ozs. I just love a company that just gets it done.

Don't take my word on it...hear as many cans as you can, they shake out blindingly fast.

Here are a couple of rare shots, 9mm AWC TRIAD T.H.O.R. (Thermal High Order Radiant.)

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On my hk Usp 45 I use a knights armament suppressor and I run it wet. It's a lot quieter for me than dry. Also heard rumors that keeping the suppressor wet makes it last longer.
 
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The SilencerCO Osprey 45 had some of the best numbers out there for suppressing 45, 40, and 9mm.

I have tried it out on my pistols and it is very impressive to say the least. They are worth a look into and if you can arrange a demo day with a dealer I would do that.