What I think is that youve now gone way overboard on this religious stuff. And occasional reference for clarity is one thing, this is proselytizing. Read the rules of the forum. Religion is poison, take it somewhere else.
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Feeling down, how about euthanasia as meds?
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What I think is that youve now gone way overboard on this religious stuff. And occasional reference for clarity is one thing, this is proselytizing. Read the rules of the forum. Religion is poison, take it somewhere else.
Yes they are, LOL. This guy has been here a year. Perhaps he hasnt taken time to read the rules. I for one come here because I dont have to worry about being preached to. The rule against religion is a good one because it causes nothing but turmoil. I dont need to be told that im wrong if I dont believe the way someone else does, thats bullshit. Look right at the top of the forum. NO RELIGION.
Psychedelics as treatment.
I was going to write a dissertation on the long term effects but wait www wait www oh shit here it goes again.
Timothy Leary is dead oh no.
We got s lot on our plate in the USA worrying about one foriegn kid?
Worry about our own kids and veterans.
I was going to write a dissertation on the long term effects but wait www wait www oh shit here it goes again.
Timothy Leary is dead oh no.
We got s lot on our plate in the USA worrying about one foriegn kid?
Worry about our own kids and veterans.
You are entitled to your opinion and you don’t have to agree with me.
I am not trying to proselytize but just offering an answer to your question.
You asked a question is it unreasonable to give you an answer, even if you disagree with it?
And you can feel free to disagree with me. I am not offended.
Anyone that wishes to shut down a person’s opinions and answers to a question is acting like the leftists that want to silence free speech.
I’m done with what I wanted to say unless someone wants to debate me further.
General Site Discussion, please refrain from l posting religious topics.
Its not a matter of my belief one way or another, nor my 'opinion'. There is no debating your type, you believe you possess the truth, and therefore have the right to dispense it to everyone else. Left unchecked it becomes a disease. Thats EXACTLY why the founders set up the separation.
Here is the link to the rules of this forum: https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/help/terms/
Here is the text from that link. Please tell me where it says anything about religion. You accused me of not reading the rules. I just want to set the record straight. If there are another set of rules, kindly show me where they are.
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If you don't like being told you are wrong then why did you ask the question; "Bottom line is, who has the right to decide that for you?"
There are plenty of other posts on this thread discussing religion but I didn't see you call them out. I don't see where I'm breaking the rules. Is this rule against discussing religion real or one that you made up?
I cannot find anything at the top of the forum that says no religion. If I'm wrong please point me in the right direction of where to look because I cannot find the words "no religion" at the top of the forum.
Maggot you've posted plenty of reference to your own "religion".
I don't know which priest or preacher hurt you but I am sorry.
I'm not "religious" either, but everyone has a religion, whether they believe in no god, a god, many God's, it's all religion.
I don't know which priest or preacher hurt you but I am sorry.
I'm not "religious" either, but everyone has a religion, whether they believe in no god, a god, many God's, it's all religion.
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Look right at the top of this forum: General Site Discussion, please refrain from l posting religious topics.
No priest hurt me, in fact one of the finest men Ive known is a Catholic priest. He likely saved my life some 40 years ago. Thats not the point. About the only thing I put up that could be called remotely religious are the two following statements:
-"You reap what you sow" and that is observable in the physical world just like, and equal to, "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."
-"Know the truth and the truth will make you free." That also is a pretty simple concept one can see work out. Its one used in psychotherapy and other aspects of every day life. Finding the root cause of a problem allows you to deal with it in a constructive manner.
They work together to form my philosophy, my religion, if you will. "Treat others the way you want to be treated." Not because some 'God' told me to but because I can observe that what I put out in life, returns to me, usually multiplied. Its simple, clean, and non judgmental, non condemning. Its not even altruistic, its selfish. I want good to come to me so I put out good.
Let me close with a question. How would you (all) feel if someone came on here and stated quoting the Koran? Especially if he/she were to use it to justify Sharia Law because Allah says so. I expect there would be a shit storm of epic proportions. give that one some honest thought.
Does that clear it up for you.
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It took me a while but I found it. It was on the link that takes us into the Bear Pit section, not at the top of the page.
The way I read that statement; "please refrain from posting religious topics," is that it means that I cannot start a topic (thread) about religion.
I didn't start this thread and it was not about religion. I merely answered your question. Everyone on this forum has a right to disagree with me. Yet you are the only one that is triggered by it.
Instead of just telling me that you think that my answer is incorrect, you want to shut me down. That's exactly what a leftist would do and what they are now doing in this country.
I respect your opinion and right to disagree except for you basically telling me to shut up.
I've not called you any names, insulted or threaten you. I've not told you to "agree with me or else." I've not complained about anything you have posted. As a matter of fact, the question you asked is a good one. It is one that is asked very often with the subject of euthanasia.
When we talk about end-of-life subjects it is almost impossible to ignore the religious facet of the topic. Religion is very germane to this entire thread whether you agree or not.
I will have to see if I can find the link later but sometime ago, someone started a thread on illegal immigration and Christianity. I didn't see any requests to take that thread down.
Someone else started a thread about the infanticide law in New York. The subject of how God views infanticide was brought up. Yet nobody told me or others to shut up.
If I started a thread that asked everyone to join a certain religious denomination, then you would be correct. However, the OP started this thread and others chimed in. You asked a question and I gave you my thoughts. You are free to disagree.
If you want to take this further, then why don't you take this to the Moderators or Site Administrators? Keep in mind that a few people have posted a "thumbs up" on my message as well as others like this on other threads.
This dialogue has taken a turn now. It's about the free exchange of ideas on this forum. It's about shutting a person down because you don't like what they say. If everyone complained like you then we wouldn't have a forum.
On another thread, there was a person spewing his leftist BS, which I disagree with entirely. Neither I nor anyone who thought he was full of it told him to shut up. We would be acting like the leftists that he supports by telling him to shut up.
So take it to the Site Administrators if you don't like it.
Before you do that, I'd like to ask if anyone else agrees with Maggot. Did I cross the line?
Maggot, with respect, I think you're being a little overly sensitive on the religion thing. I see no proselytizing, merely someone stating their religious beliefs as it pertains to the OP's topic. This is coming from someone who was raised Roman Catholic (even 5 yrs as an altar boy), and yet tends to drift towards a more philosophical outlook on life, rather than a religious one (much to the dismay of my aging parents). Take a step back, take a deep breath and look at this topic objectively. It is one that is rife with potential to violate many a persons' religious beliefs. Shrug...so be it. Morality is morality, regardless of where it is derived. Some people's belief's or life experiences do not see this topic as a moral one, others do (much like the abortion issue). There's no changing it, and trying to attack the origins of a person's sense of morality is a wasted effort; people won't change, it's who they are. Best to just let it slide and move on.
Life's too short to be spent on splitting hairs on shit that doesn't affect your daily existence.
JMTCW...
ETA: And to give my above comments some context, I have dealt with a close family member that has struggled over life, dealing with severe depression and it's effects (several suicide attempts and multiple ECT treatments). So I can understand where you're coming from. Your personal experiences (obviously) with depression I think may be evoking a more emotional response, and raising your sensitivity on this topic of religion, and it's general abhorrence to suicide (just a hunch here). Shrug...it's just their personal (religiously formed) views expressed here, and not a direct preaching of religion. I would recommend you take it as that, and not read more into it than it is.
Life's too short to be spent on splitting hairs on shit that doesn't affect your daily existence.
JMTCW...
ETA: And to give my above comments some context, I have dealt with a close family member that has struggled over life, dealing with severe depression and it's effects (several suicide attempts and multiple ECT treatments). So I can understand where you're coming from. Your personal experiences (obviously) with depression I think may be evoking a more emotional response, and raising your sensitivity on this topic of religion, and it's general abhorrence to suicide (just a hunch here). Shrug...it's just their personal (religiously formed) views expressed here, and not a direct preaching of religion. I would recommend you take it as that, and not read more into it than it is.
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“The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone,' and 'A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.'”
Exactly as predicted.
Exactly as predicted.
Gotcha. That does make sense. Both also totally misunderstand the human condition.
Thanks for that.
Its not really sensitivity: In an absolute sense I could care less what he, or anyone else thinks, just putting up a reasonable, and non faith based argument, and even laughing at those who need religion. I dont. Thats not to comment on my belief one way or another. Thats my personal space.
No one has yet addressed my question; What happens if someone comes here spouting Sharia Law horseshit" Will all be as tolerant? Bwahahahaha
What troubles me about your position is that those that I see who think as you do, sooner of later end up believing that they have the right to force their way on others. The history of religion(s), all of them, is rife with exactly that. Another (hypothetical) question for ya.
Youre in a bar one night, or a coffee house if you dont use alcohol, or a tea house if you dont use coffee. You strike up a conversation with someone and in the course of that conversation he tells you he intends to commit suicide later that night.
What do you do?
-Reason with him?
-Quote him scriptures and pray?
if that doesnt work
-Have him arrested or detained for his own good?
Of do you just let him make his own choice?
It would not bother me if I could be free to tell them why they are wrong. Like I said in an earlier post; they cannot start a thread asking or demanding that we convert to Islam.
If someone wanted to post the Muslim viewpoint on this end-of-life discussion they should be free to do so. And people like me should be free to disagree with them. Demanding that they be shut down shows them that we are no better than the Sharia law they want to force on us.
Maggot, I'm not demanding that you agree with me. You are free to think and say what you wish and I respect that. All I am asking is that you respect my right to express my opinion in the same way.
Your question was a good one. I thought that it showed a person who genuinely wanted an answer and gives all of us an opportunity to learn something.
Good response but Ive been around here for a long time and thats just not how it would go. He would end up getting banned because everyone would complain, just like with Big Tuna and his Israeli carry nonsense, or others more recently.
My answers are highlighted above.
PS: I neglected to add that when a person tells another that they are going to commit suicide that is a cry for help. If they didn't want help they would not let anyone know what they are going to do.
Sharia law does not allow for recognition of other systems outside of Sharia.
At least Christianity opens the door for accepting our Constitution.
Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."
Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."
Im not a religious person.
Abiding by the Golden Rule and making decisions based on not making family/friends embarrassed or making organizations Ive belonged to in life look bad has stead me well.
I support people that have a more organized religion in their life and value their input as long as they do not force beliefs on others or deny others their beliefs.
Not up to us to judge who is right or wrong in such matters.
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"If it seemed like a credible threat to end his life, then I might alert the authorities. "
There in lies my objection. Now youve gotten them into the system just like the girl in the OP., and youve interfered with their free choice. We differ in that I believe one's like is their own and to, as long as they dont directly harm others, do wish as they see fit.
Personally, in that position, I would engage in the first two alts, reason and prayer, but if they were in a reasonable frame of mind, I would likely go with them and be a friend as they carry out their wish. Were they not in a reasonable frame of mind I dont know, it depends on the situation, but I hesitate to get anyone into the system.
Long story, from awhile back. He just pissed off everybody and got banned for life.
"At least Christianity opens the door for accepting our Constitution."
It does today.
Have you read about the Inquistions? Martin Luther? John Calvin? the Salem Witch trials? or much more recently the Moral Majority, Jerry Falwell, and their ilk?
Religion is poison. Seek the truth that makes men free.
How can anyone say a 17 year old...who’s brain is nowhere near completely developed...can make this type of decision? We’re not talking about a 30-40 something adult, this was a child with mental illness. Sad indeed
Ha! LOL! I have to disagree; religion is not poison; evil people are poison (and they exist within and outside religious circles).
In my mind religion is an adaptation of philosophy and a moral code. "Religion" is also a very broad and overloaded term.
You state past transgressions done in the name of Christianity, but fail to add the context of time. Up until the mid to late 1800's Christianity had not reach a point of enlightenment (maturity if you will) that many of the older religions already had (Buddhism, Hindu, etc.). Since it's enlightenment (the tolerance for other religions) there have been no such events of which you highlight.
Islam is at that point now...on the verge of an enlightenment period, and a seismic shift in perspective of other religions (hence why the hardline Shia and such are fighting it today). In fact, some would say Islam has already had that enlightenment (Bahia), but it has just not gone mainstream as of yet.
Religion, at it core, is not that different from organized philosophy. Those 10 Commandments that the bible quotes are strikingly similar to the Greek Decalogue. Morality and philosophy are the basis for Religion; a moral code to live by. I fail to see how that is evil.
In my mind religion is an adaptation of philosophy and a moral code. "Religion" is also a very broad and overloaded term.
You state past transgressions done in the name of Christianity, but fail to add the context of time. Up until the mid to late 1800's Christianity had not reach a point of enlightenment (maturity if you will) that many of the older religions already had (Buddhism, Hindu, etc.). Since it's enlightenment (the tolerance for other religions) there have been no such events of which you highlight.
Islam is at that point now...on the verge of an enlightenment period, and a seismic shift in perspective of other religions (hence why the hardline Shia and such are fighting it today). In fact, some would say Islam has already had that enlightenment (Bahia), but it has just not gone mainstream as of yet.
Religion, at it core, is not that different from organized philosophy. Those 10 Commandments that the bible quotes are strikingly similar to the Greek Decalogue. Morality and philosophy are the basis for Religion; a moral code to live by. I fail to see how that is evil.
NO I clearly said "Look a the histories". That implies a consideration of the time involved.
We're not that far apart. My focus is on truth. It becomes 'religion' when man tries to add to the truth. To me the whole of the teachings of the one called 'Christ' is very simple.
When asked about the greatest commandment he answered "Love god with all your heart, and the second is Love your neighbor as yourself. If you do the second youve done the first for no man can love god and hate his neighbor." paraphrased.
So it gets really simple...treat your neighbor with the same love you want. Period, really no more be added. Thats why those who spit out volumes of scripture are distracting from the simplicity of the message, and end up building a dogmatic nightmare.
KISS...Keep it simple sweetie
@Maggot Agreed. That being said, I don't see it as so much a dogmatic nightmare when man adds to the simplicity of the message. Some just need/want/desire the comfort of "better directions" than "don't do evil shit". More power to them. Shrug...it's all good.
BTW, since we're on this topic...an excellent listen/read
https://www.audible.com/pd/Practica...357-dab3dee05ca1&pf_rd_r=RXS104JW00BDS49WGRZ7
BTW, since we're on this topic...an excellent listen/read
https://www.audible.com/pd/Practica...357-dab3dee05ca1&pf_rd_r=RXS104JW00BDS49WGRZ7
Its good until they try to ram it down your throat or burn you at he stake because you think differently.
I'm glad we agree on a few points. We can at least to disagree on your willingness to accompany them as they carry out their wish.
Nevertheless, I would like to issue a warning to anyone who would accompany a friend wishing to commit suicide.
In this country there are laws in some states that prohibit assisted suicide. In those states where it is permissible, only a physician and sometimes more, are permitted to assist in a suicide.
So if you aren't a doctor, I would advise to not try helping out.
There are also some laws in different states that make it illegal for failing to report a crime. And in some of those states, suicide is a crime.
Keep in mind that almost all suicides are investigated as homicides until determined otherwise. So let's explore your scenario.
Witnesses see Maggot and Fred talking in a bar. Witnesses see Maggot and Fred leave the bar together.
Sometime later, Fred is dead. Maggot calls 911 or the morgue to pick up Fred's body letting them know the Fred took his own life.
Hopefully, you see where I am going with this. You or anyone else contemplating this "assistance" for a friend or loved one committing suicide could be facing a murder or manslaughter charge.
So best of luck trying to convince a Judge and Jury that you cared for your friend and it was their choice to kill themselves. As soon as you say you were there to help you have just dropped the ball on your defense.
Even though Michelle Carter was claiming to help out her boyfriend as he killed himself, the sate of Massachusetts saw it differently. She is lucky that she only got 15 months out of it.
Maggot, I'm not saying you are anywhere like Michelle Carter as she did nothing to stop her boyfriend. In your scenario you state that you would first attempt to talk the person out of committing suicide and I believe that.
On the other hand, a Jury may not see it that way if you accompanied or helped in any way. So regardless of the disagreement we hold on the moral implications of this scenario, you would be opening yourself up to all sorts of legal problems.
Even if you were acquitted, your life would be a living hell for the next several years - probably to the point that some people would want to commit suicide.
Ahhh...but you control whether they can or do. If you don't allow it, than it is just talk. If you do allow it, than, well, that's on you, not them. We get a plethora of proselytizing door-to-door folks. I'm always polite, praise them for following their perceived calling, and tell them I am not interested, but fo rthem to have a nice day.
Their proselytizing doesn't harm you, if you are secure in what you believe or the life you lead. To react in a negative way serves no good to anyone. Shrug...let them say their piece, acknowledge their work, and continue on with your life. No harm, no foul.
And I dare say, no one is going to burn you at the stake in this country.
You added 'assisted', it was not in my dialog. As to repercussions, sometimes you just got to let the chips fall where they fall. As far as Im concerned there is a higher calling than the law of man, which is lacking at best. Being a friend to someone in their last moments is one of those. But this is all hypothetical, and this thread has played itself out for me.
RIP young lady.
As I just said to the other guy, this thread has played itself out for me, I dont have more time or energy to put into it, time to move on.
All the best for you. I'm glad I had the opportunity to dialogue with you on this.
Shocking the bill is from the Cult of Death -----ie it has a Democratic Sponsor.
If they don't have a problem with killing an new-born baby (what they call a post-birth abortion) they would have no problem with killing anyone else.
Which is precisely why I am not an organ donor.
Imagine, if you will, Ole Longshot is in an auto accident and in ICU. He's unconscious but expected to survive.
At the same time, a famous and very rich person needs a transplant. Ole Longshot has precisely what he or she needs.
Money can't buy happiness or save your life but in this case it sure helps!
Sat good-bye to Ole Longshot.
Anyone doubting that should feel free to insert your name or a loved one's name for Ole Longshot's. Let me know if that would change anyone's perspective.
That's nuts. Imagine it is your kid hooked up to machines in a hospital bed waiting to find out if they live or die. Someone comes in DOA on the meat-wagon who is a perfect match, but they didn't fill out their fucking organ donor info on their drivers license, and now you have to watch as that organ, that could save your kid, rots and your child dies for some bullshit internet story.
Whatever the imagined risk you think there is, it is vastly, massively, and unquestionably outweighed by the very real possibility that your death may mean life for someone else. I would think that's a gift that every Christian would jump at the chance to give as their last act...
