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Florida Trooper Arrests Miami Cop for Speeding

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey, MAGUA, what do you do for a living? </div></div>

I am a douchebag from NY
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Why is it that some people always turn threads like this into a fucking spiraling disaster.

I think some people in general just have no sense of shame.

This is not directed at you

I said it earlier and i'll say it again Please don't make this a pissing match. </div></div>

You did that a dozen posts back.
 
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Florida cops are known for eating their own. Nothing new here, the only thing is that she went as far as to cuff the guy knowing that he was an officer in uniform.

The Miami guy is a tool no doubt for doing what he did. No excuses there. I can totally understand the adrenaline dump of a high speed chase so I know where the FHP trooper was coming from. But in my opinion, once the ID was made there was no need to cuff the uniformed Miami guy. Scream at him, berate him, lock his keys in his car but she went overboard by handcuffing the guy.

As far everyone saying that this guy should be fired, if everyone who had a lapse in judgement at work were fired, there would be a lot of people on the unemployment line.
 
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This incident kinda reminds me of the time that NYPD sent a contingent of officers down south to help during the Katrina disaster. The convoy of about 100 marked NYPD vehicles was stopped by the Virgina state police because a motorist had called to complain that there were too many vehicles and she couldn't get by them.

The Virgina State Police actually pulled over the entire convoy and demanded to know why they were "obstructing traffic".

Some people take the job way too seriously and lack common sense.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The Virgina State Police actually pulled over the entire convoy and demanded to know why they were "obstructing traffic".
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Virginia has a move over law. It applies equally to all.
Besides that, we still remember Bloomberg's little undercover gun straw purchase operation quite fondly.
 
Re: Florida Trooper Arrests Miami Cop for Speeding

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The Virgina State Police actually pulled over the entire convoy and demanded to know why they were "obstructing traffic".
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Virginia has a move over law. It applies equally to all.
Besides that, we still remember Bloomberg's little undercover gun straw purchase operation quite fondly. </div></div>

Again, their actions just go to show the lack of common sense among the Virgina State Police. These guys volunteered to go down there to help out. They should have been given an escort, not pulled over.

By the way, Bloomberg's antics came AFTER Katrina and it had nothing to do with the cop's that went down there to help victims of the hurricane. It's nice to know that you guys hold grudges and use your position of authority to exact your personal brand of revenge.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey, MAGUA, what do you do for a living? </div></div>

I am a douchebag from NY
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Why is it that some people always turn threads like this into a fucking spiraling disaster.

I think some people in general just have no sense of shame.

This is not directed at you

I said it earlier and i'll say it again Please don't make this a pissing match. </div></div>

Ya, our mistake. After reading your posts you most definitely don't fit into the category of "some people" .
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As to having no clue about general geography, most of this can be excused as the run of the mill NYC fucktard who has mistaken the swirling motion witnessed from the bottom of the bowl as being at the center of the universe.
 
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There have been a few posters on this string that think a police car being stolen is just too hard to believe. I suggest google, stolen police cars-you can read all night. It has happend many times. Regarding the idea that one cop should look the other way for another, even though he is doing 120MPH, no light etc (putting a lot of people in danger), I wonder how far this "special treatment" should go? Wife beating, theft, drug dealing, murder, where would a reasonable person draw the line?
I for one, and thankfully I am not alone, believe, the rule of law in America, should apply to all people, those people that are paid to make sure the laws apply to all, should be held to a higher standard if anything, not a lower. The State Trooper is a hero, she has taken her oath and her job seriously. I believe he (the crazed cop)should have been taken to jail, if that is what would have happend to a non cop in the same situation, but to scorn her is sad. She has a hard job, and had a tough call to make in a strange situation, let's give her a thumbs up. I am 100% behind the idea of Equal Justice, justice, as I am sure many of the posters on this board are, some don't feel that equal justice means all people receive the same justice or something like that. Who knows? But if the govt ever decided to seize arms, and forget the 2nd ADM, it isn't going to be hard to find a group will to make excuses as to why they are leading the fight to "enforce" the "new law". They seem to have trouble understanding "For All"!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey, MAGUA, what do you do for a living? </div></div>

I am a douchebag from NY
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Why is it that some people always turn threads like this into a fucking spiraling disaster.

I think some people in general just have no sense of shame.

This is not directed at you

I said it earlier and i'll say it again Please don't make this a pissing match. </div></div>

Ya, our mistake. After reading your posts you most definitely don't fit into the category of "some people" .
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As to having no clue about general geography, most of this can be excused as the run of the mill NYC fucktard who has mistaken the swirling motion witnessed from the bottom of the bowl as being at the center of the universe. </div></div>

Yes now you understand..now slither back into your cave.
 
Re: Florida Trooper Arrests Miami Cop for Speeding

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey, MAGUA, what do you do for a living? </div></div>

I am a douchebag from NY
smile.gif


Why is it that some people always turn threads like this into a fucking spiraling disaster.

I think some people in general just have no sense of shame.

This is not directed at you

I said it earlier and i'll say it again Please don't make this a pissing match. </div></div>

Ya, our mistake. After reading your posts you most definitely don't fit into the category of "some people" .
wink.gif


As to having no clue about general geography, most of this can be excused as the run of the mill NYC fucktard who has mistaken the swirling motion witnessed from the bottom of the bowl as being at the center of the universe. </div></div>

Yes now you understand..now slither back into your cave. </div></div>

Barely able to type this after being crushed by your intellect......
 
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Very good..now you should move on to another thread and continue to act like the tough guy that you are .
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very good..now you should move on to another thread and continue to act like the tough guy that you are . </div></div>


My apologies in not realizing your omnipotence....which forum may I visit? which thread do you feel may be appropriate? Is there one in which you take yourself more seriously and flex to even more heightened levels of awesomeness? Please direct me so I can learn....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Florida cops are known for eating their own. Nothing new here, the only thing is that she went as far as to cuff the guy knowing that he was an officer in uniform.

The Miami guy is a tool no doubt for doing what he did. No excuses there. I can totally understand the adrenaline dump of a high speed chase so I know where the FHP trooper was coming from. But in my opinion, once the ID was made there was no need to cuff the uniformed Miami guy. Scream at him, berate him, lock his keys in his car but she went overboard by handcuffing the guy.

As far everyone saying that this guy should be fired, if everyone who had a lapse in judgement at work were fired, there would be a lot of people on the unemployment line. </div></div>So would a member of the public get cuffed or are you suggesting the cop should be treated differently? I take it by the comment that Florida cops eat their own they are less corrupt than you?
 
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lol lol that's awesome their turning on one another lol

I have to admit no one should be allowed to do that for no reason. we have had our fair share of FHP running off road because of speeding and county as well, and i usually drive about 80 or my wife does, and we have freaking FHP blow by us like we going 8 and i ant kidding, i have a police scanner, their ant nothing going on WTF
 
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Interesting thread. Seems rules apply differently when operating under the color of law. I'll kept that in mind, the next time I'm in the Jury box.

Does Florida still have bonded officers? If so, is he one? The FHP Trooper needs remediation training at the very least. Mister Miami, needs to go down the road, with a flag in his jacket.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fargo007</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've now digested this.

His conduct was unacceptable, but speeding is speeding, not a criminal offense. If a civilian was treated this way in most states, the Trooper would be disciplined for it.

The largest disagreement I have with this is a uniformed LEO pointing a firearm at another uniformed LEO. That is nothing short of extremely dangerous.

It creates a situation where the officer(s) being pointed at (wrong or right) is trained to respond with deadly force. This could have ended terribly.

How would I have handled it?

1 - <span style="font-weight: bold">without gunplay.</span>

2 - I would call Miami Dade and have them send a supervisor to the scene immediately, as well as summoning my own supervisor.

--Fargo007
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Evading police for more than 4 minutes is definitely a crime in the America I live in. In addition, people routinely get thrown in jail for going 90+ on the highway, this guy was doing 120. Bravo to the state trooper for enforcing justice equally.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NF1986</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
fargo007 said:
I've now digested this.

His conduct was unacceptable, but speeding is speeding, not a criminal offense. If a civilian was treated this way in most states, the Trooper would be disciplined for it.

The largest disagreement I have with this is a uniformed LEO pointing a firearm at another uniformed LEO. That is nothing short of extremely dangerous.

It creates a situation where the officer(s) being pointed at (wrong or right) is trained to respond with deadly force. This could have ended terribly.

How would I have handled it?

1 - <span style="font-weight: bold">without gunplay.</span>

2 - I would call Miami Dade and have them send a supervisor to the scene immediately, as well as summoning my own supervisor.

--Fargo007
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Evading police for more than 4 minutes is definitely a crime in the America I live in. In addition, people routinely get thrown in jail for going 90+ on the highway, this guy was doing 120. Bravo to the state trooper for enforcing justice equally.
 
Re: Florida Trooper Arrests Miami Cop for Speeding

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NF1986</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fargo007</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've now digested this.

His conduct was unacceptable, but speeding is speeding, not a criminal offense. If a civilian was treated this way in most states, the Trooper would be disciplined for it.

The largest disagreement I have with this is a uniformed LEO pointing a firearm at another uniformed LEO. That is nothing short of extremely dangerous.

It creates a situation where the officer(s) being pointed at (wrong or right) is trained to respond with deadly force. This could have ended terribly.

How would I have handled it?

1 - <span style="font-weight: bold">without gunplay.</span>

2 - I would call Miami Dade and have them send a supervisor to the scene immediately, as well as summoning my own supervisor.

--Fargo007
</div></div>

Evading police for more than 4 minutes is definitely a crime in the America I live in. In addition, people routinely get thrown in jail for going 90+ on the highway, this guy was doing 120. Bravo to the state trooper for enforcing justice equally. </div></div>

She did not enforce Justice equally, the Miami police officer was given several breaks that he would not have gotten if he wasn't a police Officer.

He was running late for an off duty job, he should have woke up earlier.

Apparently it is not uncommon for him or othe Miami police officers to drive like he did while out of their jurisdiction and off duty.

The mimai police officer should have been treated exactly as any other citizen would have been treated and if he gets in trouble at where he works because he was arrested for a felony, that is his problems.

He did not just make a simple lapse in judgement he put several peoples lives in jeapoardy driving like a maniac.
 
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Funny how the big picture gets wider and taller as perspective and context gets a few minutes to breathe!

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/30/2479870/miami-mayor-on-speeding-officer.html

A 7 minute pursuit!

7 Minutes...

Cogitate on that for a few seconds...

Further, perhaps a little understanding on the possible motivations of Trooper Watts rather than assuming she is the " <span style="font-size: 26pt">1%</span>" !

Perhaps she had just come from a wreck where someone's 19 year old cousin was scraped out of his car due to the narcissistic, fuck everyone else, type of driving displayed by officer Besa-Mi-Culo. *

I don't know the protocols of arresting or detaining colleagues but I'm sure the Trooper has dealt with Deputies and Officers from neighboring agencies many times before. Perhaps it will turn out she is a blowhard with an ambitious streak. Who knows?

Regardless, the Miami cop was popped doing several very wrong things. Her cuffing him didn't seem out of line to me.

High End people...Like a Kardashian? Or Michael Lohan???

I learned a long time ago; Leave earlier or be late. The last person I feel any resentment to in this is Trooper Watts.

* My wife's 19 year old cousin was killed on Labor day weekend by a hit and run driver, just outside the entrance to the University of Central Florida. He was a great kid, an Air Force ROTC student, an athlete and honor student. His killer may never be found but FHP and Seminole County, as well as his dad, are working it.

People who drive with a fuck you attitude had better be on their way to saving someone's life because it really pisses me off and that is the only reason I will stop detesting one who drives in that fashion.
 
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I want to know what happened to the Felony Speeding and Felony Wreckless Driving charges that FL has on the books.

Let alone misappropriation of a government vehicle, evading police, wreckless endangerment, breaking traffic laws in the absence of performing on the job duties...

He got a huge break, her initial impression of it being a stolen vehicle with a high speed pursuit and evasion warranted her action to draw her weapon and treat him as a high risk operator.

Perhaps calling supervisors would have been a good idea, but he was WAY outside the law and he was off duty and not in the active pursuit of protecting the life/well being of another person. Just the opposite in fact.

He should not be a police officer any more.

Asking "would you want a gun pointed in your face if you were pulled over?"

He was not <span style="font-style: italic">just speeding</span>. He was in the act of committing multiple vehicular felonies and attempting to evade police.

High risk stop, at gunpoint, is standard practice in any state.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The Virgina State Police actually pulled over the entire convoy and demanded to know why they were "obstructing traffic".
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Virginia has a move over law. It applies equally to all.
Besides that, we still remember Bloomberg's little undercover gun straw purchase operation quite fondly. </div></div>

Again, their actions just go to show the lack of common sense among the Virgina State Police. These guys volunteered to go down there to help out. They should have been given an escort, not pulled over.

By the way, Bloomberg's antics came AFTER Katrina and it had nothing to do with the cop's that went down there to help victims of the hurricane. It's nice to know that you guys hold grudges and use your position of authority to exact your personal brand of revenge. </div></div>

Respectfully, Slap, your off base here. Ive found Virginia State Police to be very professional and fair, the few times I have encountered them. If they had 100 cars in a convoy and were blocking traffic they should have beer, respectfully, told to space it out a bit to allow a safe flow of traffic.

An escort....Yes.
Treated equally. Yes
 
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So there's more to the story than face value with the posted video clip.

The comments from this MDPD officer seem to support the statements by the FHP Officer that this type of behavior is a systemic issue down there.

Based on the statement that she disobeyed an order to "let it go" I will redact my previous statement about not seeing an issue with her behavior; clearly there's a problem.

I see an issue with her superiors as well as the overall behavior of the LEO agencies involved on both sides here.


From another forum:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I knew you guys would get a hold of this when it hit CNN

I spoke with my co-worker who was the officer that was arrested. he was clearly wrong for speeding...no doubt about it, and I'm not defending him for it

there also is a little more to the story that the public isn't aware of.

As you all know there is a brotherhood among police officers and yes we do let a fellow cop slide by with more than we would let the average citizen get by with. it's no different than any other profession that extends "professional courtesy"

Florida highway patrol (FHP) seem to have a chip on their shoulders. maybe it's because they are a state agency but they are breed to believe that they are somehow superior officers to city / county officers.

the fact is that most officers don't consider the FHP to be "real cops" because all they do is traffic. they are not State Police like most states have. still they are brother Law enforcement officers and we do everything for them just like we would do for any other cop out there.

but there are more than a few FHP officers that don't extend the same courtesy that we do for them. That's where the conflict arises.

years ago my department and FHP got into a ticket war...they hit us so we hit them back. it got real ugly and continued until the heads of the department got together and put a stop to it.

there was two wrong officers in this situation. the city cop for speeding and the FHP officer for over-reacting. the city officer wasn't doing 120 as the FHP said he was. believe me our cars can barley do that much. there's no audio in the beginning of the video because FHP edited it out because the FHP officer called it in and her supervisor told her to let it go and it would be handled by the city agency...which it should have been. that's why the FHP shuts of the lights but then she disobeyed a direct order and continued.

the city officer that was arrested is a really nice guy with only a couple of years on. he honestly didn't even know FHP was behind him most of the time. and wanted to cooperate but he never thought that FHP was trying to pull over a marked unit.

I'll come back later with more...by the way, If it was me in the same situation.. I probably wouldn't have stopped. If I did as soon as I saw her gun out I would have got right back in the car and drove to the police station </div></div>

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I just watched the posted video. that is a shortened version. the complete version shows the marked city car go past the FHP car pretty fast.

after a few seconds the FHP car decides to go after the city car, which by now is way up ahead. FHP is now trying to play catch up and according to the city officer he never knew FHP was trying to stop him. That is why the news is calling this a "chase"

The FHP conveniently edited out the audio when they released the tape because the trooper had already radioed in the tag number and car number and she was ordered to let the city car go and they would notify the city agency. FHP shuts off the lights and backs off for a minute.
then she decides to put her lights back on and speed up again and chase down the city car. which is the point the posted video starts at.

this FHP officer gave her reasoning for stopping the car because she thought it might have been stolen...bullshit Also during the full version she goes on to say how other police cars are always doing this and she never catches them...whatever that means.

This FHP officer is already well known for jacking up other cops but she took it to a whole new level this time. if she really did think the city car was stolen then she broke every officer safety rule in the book by doing what she did. not only that but the stolen car sham should have been dismissed when she saw a uniformed officer in the drivers seat

I drive the turnpike to and from work everyday. I even go through part of this FHP officers district. in the 10 years I've been with my department I have never driven by any officer including FHP that was on a traffic stop solo and didn't stop for them. there has been plenty of times that I've waited until that officers back up got there, FHP back up can take a very long time because the closest one could be a few counties away. There was a few times that I've probably stopped something really bad from happening because I stopped.

Someday I hope to see this FHP officer on a stop by herself, better yet I hope that when I do see her she is in need of some help.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to know what happened to the Felony Speeding and Felony Wreckless Driving charges that FL has on the books.

Let alone misappropriation of a government vehicle, evading police, wreckless endangerment, breaking traffic laws in the absence of performing on the job duties...

He got a huge break, her initial impression of it being a stolen vehicle with a high speed pursuit and evasion warranted her action to draw her weapon and treat him as a high risk operator.

Perhaps calling supervisors would have been a good idea, but he was WAY outside the law and he was off duty and not in the active pursuit of protecting the life/well being of another person. Just the opposite in fact.

He should not be a police officer any more.

Asking "would you want a gun pointed in your face if you were pulled over?"

He was not <span style="font-style: italic">just speeding</span>. He was in the act of committing multiple vehicular felonies and attempting to evade police.

High risk stop, at gunpoint, is standard practice in any state.


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I tried to reply but you edited. ;-)

That was completely <span style="font-weight: bold">not</span> the way to handle a high risk stop. It was a "<span style="font-style: italic">let me show you how mad I am"</span> stop. Those who have done them will spot the glaring differences here.

It's been pointed out already on several angles why she did not believe the MDPD cruiser was stolen, both in her actions (especially the severe departures from real felony stop procedures), and her remarks about MDPD repeatedly speeding there.

That, and stolen cars usually do stop, but more often than not against an immovable object.

He drove like an asshole. He knew he done wrong.

She knew damn well it was a police officer, and intentionally invited what could have been a deadly mexican standoff.

The gunplay was needless, and was nothing more than "street justice." You know, the kind we don't want played out on us.

I am sure FHP is trained to handle unprofessional conduct in a professional way. I was, and it's really not that difficult:

Get his license, issue a summons and let him continue, or do what I suggested and call an MDPD Lieutenant there to relay him and the car off the road. Follow up with internal affairs and let an official investigation take its course.

Those who believe it's a great idea for one uniformed police officer to point a firearm at, and lay hands on another just because it appeals to some kind of idealistic egalitarian streak inside them need to attend some funerals and start appreciating the gravity of what is being discussed here, and the terrible consequences that brings.

--Fargo007
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

By help out, do you mean tackle old ladies and take peoples guns?

Thanks for the help. </div></div>

No, by help I mean restoring a sense of law an order. Protecting the victims from the predators that were using the hurricane as an excuse to loot, rob, pillage, burglarize homes and business. Assist in providing medical aid, body recoveries and evacuations.

Thanks for the jab though.
 
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SlapChop there is still a tremendous amount of gratitude abound from the many good people that your Department assisted after Katrina.

The general public has no clue what really went on after Katrina, yet they are all experts.

Once again NYPD's assistance was greatly appreciated.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So there's more to the story than face value with the posted video clip.

The comments from this MDPD officer seem to support the statements by the FHP Officer that this type of behavior is a systemic issue down there.

Based on the statement that she disobeyed an order to "let it go" I will redact my previous statement about not seeing an issue with her behavior; clearly there's a problem.

I see an issue with her superiors as well as the overall behavior of the LEO agencies involved on both sides here.


From another forum:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I knew you guys would get a hold of this when it hit CNN

I spoke with my co-worker who was the officer that was arrested. he was clearly wrong for speeding...no doubt about it, and I'm not defending him for it

there also is a little more to the story that the public isn't aware of.

As you all know there is a brotherhood among police officers and yes we do let a fellow cop slide by with more than we would let the average citizen get by with. it's no different than any other profession that extends "professional courtesy"

Florida highway patrol (FHP) seem to have a chip on their shoulders. maybe it's because they are a state agency but they are breed to believe that they are somehow superior officers to city / county officers.

the fact is that most officers don't consider the FHP to be "real cops" because all they do is traffic. they are not State Police like most states have. still they are brother Law enforcement officers and we do everything for them just like we would do for any other cop out there.

but there are more than a few FHP officers that don't extend the same courtesy that we do for them. That's where the conflict arises.

years ago my department and FHP got into a ticket war...they hit us so we hit them back. it got real ugly and continued until the heads of the department got together and put a stop to it.

there was two wrong officers in this situation. the city cop for speeding and the FHP officer for over-reacting. the city officer wasn't doing 120 as the FHP said he was. believe me our cars can barley do that much. there's no audio in the beginning of the video because FHP edited it out because the FHP officer called it in and her supervisor told her to let it go and it would be handled by the city agency...which it should have been. that's why the FHP shuts of the lights but then she disobeyed a direct order and continued.

the city officer that was arrested is a really nice guy with only a couple of years on. he honestly didn't even know FHP was behind him most of the time. and wanted to cooperate but he never thought that FHP was trying to pull over a marked unit.

I'll come back later with more...by the way, If it was me in the same situation.. I probably wouldn't have stopped. If I did as soon as I saw her gun out I would have got right back in the car and drove to the police station </div></div>

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I just watched the posted video. that is a shortened version. the complete version shows the marked city car go past the FHP car pretty fast.

after a few seconds the FHP car decides to go after the city car, which by now is way up ahead. FHP is now trying to play catch up and according to the city officer he never knew FHP was trying to stop him. That is why the news is calling this a "chase"

The FHP conveniently edited out the audio when they released the tape because the trooper had already radioed in the tag number and car number and she was ordered to let the city car go and they would notify the city agency. FHP shuts off the lights and backs off for a minute.
then she decides to put her lights back on and speed up again and chase down the city car. which is the point the posted video starts at.

this FHP officer gave her reasoning for stopping the car because she thought it might have been stolen...bullshit Also during the full version she goes on to say how other police cars are always doing this and she never catches them...whatever that means.

This FHP officer is already well known for jacking up other cops but she took it to a whole new level this time. if she really did think the city car was stolen then she broke every officer safety rule in the book by doing what she did. not only that but the stolen car sham should have been dismissed when she saw a uniformed officer in the drivers seat

I drive the turnpike to and from work everyday. I even go through part of this FHP officers district. in the 10 years I've been with my department I have never driven by any officer including FHP that was on a traffic stop solo and didn't stop for them. there has been plenty of times that I've waited until that officers back up got there, FHP back up can take a very long time because the closest one could be a few counties away. There was a few times that I've probably stopped something really bad from happening because I stopped.

Someday I hope to see this FHP officer on a stop by herself, better yet I hope that when I do see her she is in need of some help.
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This is a real problem with law enforcement, it is the attitude that they think they are above the law.

This MPD Officer should have been treated like any other person who was driving like he was, no better, no worse.

I am glad she stopped the MPD officer I just wish she would have taken him to jail like any other person who was driving like an idiot like he was.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dagsta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SlapChop there is still a tremendous amount of gratitude abound from the many good people that your Department assisted after Katrina.

The general public has no clue what really went on after Katrina, yet they are all experts.

Once again NYPD's assistance was greatly appreciated. </div></div>

I think what gives people a bad idea about what happened in Louisiana was the video of old people being beat down and arrested for not wanting to give up their lawfully owned guns and video of uniformed police officers looting and pillaging stores.
 
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If you could find that video of old people getting "beat down" for not giving up their guns, could you please send it to me via PM. I'd really like to see it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you could find that video of old people getting "beat down" for not giving up their guns, could you please send it to me via PM. I'd really like to see it. </div></div>

I will look for it, there were more than one and it was shown on the evening news, just as the uniformed police officers who were looting were shown on the news.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you could find that video of old people getting "beat down" for not giving up their guns, could you please send it to me via PM. I'd really like to see it. </div></div>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQFTeBWvnA
 
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Thanks! A lot of fucked up shit happened during Katrina. Tackling an old woman to me seems a bit excessive even though she was waving that revolver around carelessly but I wasn't in that situation.

I don't agree with telling a guy "we're taking your shit, you're not getting a receipt and if you want it back get a lawyer".

That being said, no need to paint all the guys that did the right thing with the same broad brush.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks! A lot of fucked up shit happened during Katrina. Tackling an old woman to me seems a bit excessive even though she was waving that revolver around carelessly but I wasn't in that situation.

I don't agree with telling a guy "we're taking your shit, you're not getting a receipt and if you want it back get a lawyer".

That being said, no need to paint all the guys that did the right thing with the same broad brush. </div></div>

Go ahead and tell us what part of taking peoples legally owned guns you do agree with.

You will notice in one of the links, she clearly stated multiple times she didn't want them in her house.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks! A lot of fucked up shit happened during Katrina. Tackling an old woman to me seems a bit excessive even though she was waving that revolver around carelessly but I wasn't in that situation.

I don't agree with telling a guy "we're taking your shit, you're not getting a receipt and if you want it back get a lawyer".

That being said, no need to paint all the guys that did the right thing with the same broad brush. </div></div>

she was not waving it around carelessly, she showed it to them in a safe manner, she did not want them in her house and she did not want to leave.
 
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Fargo, we do very much appreciate, yours and all the other agencies sacrifice and contribution. These were costly contributions from all the various agencies. That additional manpower gave us (the surrounding jurisdictions) the ability to protect and serve the remainder of the people and their properties during this time.
 
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Here you go Slapchop, let's see what other apologist, under-statements you can offer us after watching this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

As I understand it, a lot of the people involved in this ILLEGAL seizure of firearms and ILLEGAL invasion of private citizen's homes was later ruled unconstitutional. Shame the obvious didn't get in the way of a few mercenaries earning a few hundred bucks a day by stealing people's property and only means of self-defense.

In the EXACT same way you stated that Marine who got injured in the OWS video didn't deserve any respect from you, guess what, I and many others feel the same way about the men who betrayed the rule of law in this country and people like you who excuse it.

You've already said you 'see his point' in regards to Bloomberg and his anti-2ndA agenda. I guess we all know what you're about anyway.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here you go Slapchop, let's see what other apologist, under-statements you can offer us after watching this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

As I understand it, a lot of the people involved in this ILLEGAL seizure of firearms and ILLEGAL invasion of private citizen's homes was later ruled unconstitutional. Shame the obvious didn't get in the way of a few mercenaries earning a few hundred bucks a day by stealing people's property and only means of self-defense.

In the EXACT same way you stated that Marine who got injured in the OWS video didn't deserve any respect from you, guess what, I and many others feel the same way about the men who betrayed the rule of law in this country and people like you who excuse it.

You've already said you 'see his point' in regards to Bloomberg and his anti-2ndA agenda. I guess we all know what you're about anyway. </div></div>

Seems some of you lack basic reading comprehension skills. NO where did I say that I supported what happened during Katrina in regards to the confiscation/theft of legally owned guns. Nor did I make excuses for the guys doing it. In fact, just the opposite, I think it's wrong. But I guess some of you are just looking for a fight.

As far as Bloomberg goes, the guy is a douche but I do see where he is coming from. Been to too many funerals NOT to see his point. Like I said before, a man with a gun in the Bronx is way different than a man with a gun in Wyoming. Not something that I would expect you to understand though.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAGUA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tucker ,if she knows how to use a radio she could find out right away if the car was stolen or not.
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What I'm getting at is that a metro police car whizzed by her at 120 on the Interstate, but she had not heard any kind of alert.

So is it not conceivable that the car was just stolen a few minutes earlier, and that there may have been a policeman lying somewhere unable to report his cruiser stolen?

Is it also impossible to assume that such a situation could be extremely dangerous to anyone coming in contact with such?</div></div>

I would think this could fall under the "probable cause" that cops like to use so much.

I'd like to have seen the pit manuver!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here you go Slapchop, let's see what other apologist, under-statements you can offer us after watching this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

As I understand it, a lot of the people involved in this ILLEGAL seizure of firearms and ILLEGAL invasion of private citizen's homes was later ruled unconstitutional. Shame the obvious didn't get in the way of a few mercenaries earning a few hundred bucks a day by stealing people's property and only means of self-defense.

In the EXACT same way you stated that Marine who got injured in the OWS video didn't deserve any respect from you, guess what, I and many others feel the same way about the men who betrayed the rule of law in this country and people like you who excuse it.

You've already said you 'see his point' in regards to Bloomberg and his anti-2ndA agenda. I guess we all know what you're about anyway. </div></div>

Seems some of you lack basic reading comprehension skills. NO where did I say that I supported what happened during Katrina in regards to the confiscation/theft of legally owned guns. Nor did I make excuses for the guys doing it. In fact, just the opposite, I think it's wrong. But I guess some of you are just looking for a fight.

As far as Bloomberg goes, the guy is a douche but I do see where he is coming from. Been to too many funerals NOT to see his point. Like I said before, a man with a gun in the Bronx is way different than a man with a gun in Wyoming. Not something that I would expect you to understand though. </div></div>

What is the difference between a man with a gun in the bronx or wyoming?

Criminals do not follow gun laws, places like NYC, Chicago, detroit, D.C. etc. with strict gun control and high gun crimee prove that.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I said before, a man with a gun in the Bronx is way different than a man with a gun in Wyoming. Not something that I would expect you to understand though. </div></div>

So I "think" I understand that you are saying that the second ammendment shouldnt apply to people living in large metropolitan areas and that they shouldnt have the right to defend themselves.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

What is the difference between a man with a gun in the bronx or wyoming?
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Come to the Bronx and I'll show you.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

What is the difference between a man with a gun in the bronx or wyoming?
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Come to the Bronx and I'll show you. </div></div>

I have no need to go to the Bronx to have it explained why the government opresses a free man's right to exercise their 2nd ammendment rights.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dagsta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fargo, we do very much appreciate, yours and all the other agencies sacrifice and contribution. These were costly contributions from all the various agencies. That additional manpower gave us (the surrounding jurisdictions) the ability to protect and serve the remainder of the people and their properties during this time. </div></div>

My pleasure brother. I explained it like this: It sucked, but I would go back tomorrow in a heartbeat if I could.

And I know you guys would do the same for us. What great people I met down there.

Our CP was in Harahan.

--Fargo007
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I have no need to go to the Bronx to have it explained why the government opresses a free man's right to exercise their 2nd ammendment rights. </div></div>

Don't ask a question if you're not really interested in finding out the truth.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I have no need to go to the Bronx to have it explained why the government opresses a free man's right to exercise their 2nd ammendment rights. </div></div>

Don't ask a question if you're not really interested in finding out the truth. </div></div>

I am interested in finding out the truth.

Could the Bronx be a shit hole and have high crime because the law abiding citizens are living in a police state that can't or won't stop crime and keep a free man from owning a gun to protect himself?

Please explain why based on location alone the Bill of Rights and the Constitution don't apply.
 
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good example for those who think only the police should have guns!
 
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Since everyone on this site knows how I feel about LEOs and abuse of their positions and abuse of the their authority I should probably shut up.
Ain't going to happen.
Take that asshole to jail and treat him as you would any other offender that runs down the highway at 120.
Better yet, handcuff him and haul him away, as the LEOs are the ones that are the ones to set the example.
I would bet this gets covered up and he did nothing wrong.
What a shame.
If a police car hits someone at that speed is the damage any less different because he was trained to run at high speeds?
Regards, FM and I commend the LADY Cop on her actions.