My savage shoots way better than I do and at the price you can't beat it. It really just comes down to what you are going to use it for, and more importantly what one do you really want?
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18 USC 924 (c)
I was wrong, it's ten years mandatory minimum for short barreled weapons and thirty for silencers or machineguns if used in furtherance of a crime of violence. Interestingly, simple possession of NFA weapons without the paperwork is considered a "crime of violence" under federal law but you'd need to be a specialist lawyer to sort it all out.
So, did you have any idea that there were laws about these things or are you out of your lane and driving against traffic?
First hand experience? Its my rifle Einstein.
The only one speaking out their ass is your wrong statement earlier.
Its a controlled round feed rifle before I swapped the bottom metal to CDI and its still a controlled round feed rifle after installed.
Perhaps the video of it working was too complicated for you ?
Can you do the same w/ out going in the chamber; sort of like short stroking it?
Yes.
You do have to partially chamber it to have the round clear the magazine.
The only way the controlled round feeding would be negated is if the magazine was sitting too low and I doubt it would feed correctly if to low anyway.
On mine the round slides under the extractor while the brass is still visible thru the port; regardless of how slow the bolt is cycled.
I've worked for Class 2 manufacturers, a dealer, and likely have had NFA items since you were in junior high school. When you started YOUR machine gun collection, Oh - you can't have any NFA items except for suppressors (which you aren't allowed to use) or AOWs, so I guess it follows you probably are a SME in NFA law.
Any of you guys that own the FN rifles have a problem with your cold bore shots being way off from zero? About 5 yrs ago the PD I used to work for went to the FN SPR rifle for all 4 of their SWAT snipers. Within a year they had all went back to their Remmy 700's and got rid of the FN's. The only reason being that the cold bore shot was way off from zero compared to their old 700's. They had the factory look at them, look at the ammo and glass and just could not get if worked out. They thought it was a fluke until all 4 rifles were doing it. They use the same glass and ammo on their 700's and did not have any problems with them. Once they fired the cold bore shot, they said the rifles were extremely accurate and a pleasure to shoot. It was just luck of the draw on where the first round was going to hit.
Never had that issue with 5 factory SPRs both gen I and gen II as well a 300wsm, nor 3 more SPR based customs in 308, 243 and 7wsm. But what do i know...i lack sufficient firsthand experience...
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I wasn't trying to bad mouth the rifles especially since I have never owned one before. Everything I have read on them has been fantastic and I have been very close to buying one myself. I just thought it was odd that 4 professionally trained shooters had the same issue with this rifle. I had never heard of it happening to anyone else so just seeing if anyone else had.
None of my sprs have ever had a cold bore issue, but I always made sure my bore was clean and dry.
+1 for the SPR. Won't let you down and IMHO was made with LEOs in mind.
I'm with Turbo on this one. I like my Savage too. It's a novelty to me that a Savage will hang with a custom and if form follows function it ends up looking pretty nice!
However, a novelty isn't going to replace my FN SPR. It just doesn't even notice the stuff that has caused my Savage to malfunction and it's a shooter too.
surfr716 - You may want to get your facts straight before you post. The FN SPR is CRF, not push feed.
Mine is CRF (not push feed with a big extractor) with the CDI bottom metal. I don't need to chamber a round to extract and eject it. I'm kind of surprised to see Scout say this. I remember a post by him years ago where he was tweaking the feed lips on the AICS mags to get them to feed better so I just thought he got it worked out.
The FN PBR rifle is a push feed I believe. Its made by FN and in appearance it might be confused with the SPR but the price difference is no mix up.
I have never had zero shift / 1st shot issues with my rifle but my bore is clean and dry.
I have never had zero shift / 1st shot issues with my rifle but my bore is clean and dry.
Blah blah blah.
Either 18 USC 924 has penalties for using NFA weapons in crimes or it does not. You've offered your credentials as an SME now feel free to enlighten us as to what you learned as a counter jockey at the gun store.
You've already been blatantly and demonstrably wrong about state law, lets see you take a crack at federal law.
Do you need a pictorial lesson in African geography while we're at it?
Either 18 USC 924 has penalties for using NFA weapons in crimes or it does not. You've offered your credentials as an SME now feel free to enlighten us as to what you learned as a counter jockey at the gun store.
You've already been blatantly and demonstrably wrong about state law, lets see you take a crack at federal law.
Do you need a pictorial lesson in African geography while we're at it?
That's an impressive mouth you have on you, barfcum WAHTFer. Wanna see a magic trick? Let's watch you disappear.
Go beg a mod to ban me. While you're at it answer the question. Does the law provide for sentencing enhancements or not?
Just ask border patrol agents ramos and compean if law enforcement officers acting in the performance of their duties are subject to the mandatory sentencing provisions of 18 usc 924(c). My guess is their answer will be a bunch of expletives followed by effusive praise for Dubya.
Why would you trade a superior action for a shit one like the remington that needs hundreds of dollars in machining and labor.........and will still not come close to the quality and features of a SPR action?
Shoots good for you? That is beacuse you don't run it hard. Ask guys who run preicion rifle classes how often savages fail?
For for the money, a Tikka is a MUCH better rifle and will cost around the same. There is no reason to buy a savage with the other options out there....unless user changeable barrels is your thing.
Exactly my point, that is why I said it depends on what you are using it for. If you are just going to shoot it on weekends and mess around, why pay the extra money? A savage will shoot just a good, mine shoots sub 1/2 MOA all day. But if this guy is really using it for law enforcement by all means go with the Tikka or FN, they are both way better choices, I didn't mean for it to sound like I was recommending a Savage for a police sniper.
FN calls the PBR a Controlled Round Push Feed. It has a huge extractor that will grab and hold a round similar to a true CRF, but you can also insert a round into the chamber and close the bolt; the extractor will snap right over the rim without damage.
I have a PBR. The barrel and receiver are both beautiful. Unfortunately, the bolt body looks like hammered shit - pits and inclusions everywhere. I'm just waiting until PTG has their FN/Win70 bolts in production. Of course, I'll probably have to have some work done to my barrel accommodate the coned lugs and CRF of PTG's bolt.
I've noticed some of this with mine. It sometimes would be up to 1/4" from the two shot cluster. The two shot cluster is literally a one hole oval, and the CB would be chillin' in it's own little world. I fixed some of this by playing with my action screw torque settings. FN recommends 65" pounds. mine is at 55" pounds. This cut down my three shot cluster w/ CB to .274".
The OP was asking for suggestions other than the used FN SPR he found. I suggested a Remington because of lower cost if his department isn't paying. For a first precision rifle to use on the job, 700 is a safe bet.
No need to dump hundreds of dollars into a Remington 700P, LTR or 5R to get them to shoot, they work out of the box. Wasn't comparing 700 vs. SPR in any way other than price. New 700 still cheaper than used SPR and will hang with it terms of accuracy suitable to the particular role he's needing it for.
Also I couldn't suggest buying an unknown, used rifle for LEO sniper role. Had an FN SPR I bought new... yes the action is real nice, the stock was real nice, beautiful rifle overall... but I sold it because it had accuracy issues. Would suck if he got my old FN SPR or one of the many like it.
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He needs a rifle that is absolutely reliable and repeatable. Many civilian shooters, if required to shoot their rifles to a standard without excuse you'd find a surprising number of rifles that couldn't do it. The problems wouldn't all be accuracy related either.
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What a shit fest in here.
FN SPR is a sweet rig w/ sweet options. I think it would serve well as a LEO sniper rifle. Even better would be the A3G! 1/2 MOA guarantee
FN SPR is a sweet rig w/ sweet options. I think it would serve well as a LEO sniper rifle. Even better would be the A3G! 1/2 MOA guarantee
Consider taking your politics away from here, maybe over to the nearest hate site, before you get yourself banned.
