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    #1
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    MarinePMI said:
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    To be able to post in the classifieds do I go and make a donation or do I have to do the monthly fee?
     
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    Full Membership is going away

    If you upgraded and subscribed and it's not working that was a hiccup with about 5 posts on the subject if you are too busy to search and understand we offered solutions to non working upgrade, I am not holding your hands

    But come August 1st in order too have privileges on the site you have to be a supporter, no more Full Memberships

    We can't have grandfathered accounts, we moved well beyond my generosity in this regards and too many took advantage of my kindness
     
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    lowlight said:
    Full Membership is going away

    If you upgraded and subscribed and it's not working that was a hiccup with about 5 posts on the subject if you are too busy to search and understand we offered solutions to non working upgrade, I am not holding your hands

    But come August 1st in order too have privileges on the site you have to be a supporter, no more Full Memberships

    We can't have grandfathered accounts, we moved well beyond my generosity in this regards and too many took advantage of my kindness
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    Yes king
     
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    I just came here to list an item for sale and found out I could no longer make posts in the post exchange. I also found out it is now a monthly subscription and that my 45.00 I paid previously is just worthless. I sent a message to the site before reading this thread. This thread kind of answers everything for me though. I have to say I think what you've done is incredibly unethical. I paid for access. You took my money. Then fast forward you revoked my access and are keeping my money. What's to say you won't do it again? And why shouldn't I open a PayPal claim against you?
     
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    EZtoForget said:
    I just came here to list an item for sale and found out I could no longer make posts in the post exchange. I also found out it is now a monthly subscription and that my 45.00 I paid previously is just worthless. I sent a message to the site before reading this thread. This thread kind of answers everything for me though. I have to say I think what you've done is incredibly unethical. I paid for access. You took my money. Then fast forward you revoked my access and are keeping my money. What's to say you won't do it again? And why shouldn't I open a PayPal claim against you?
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    I completely agree with everything you wrote. Just found this out today (for me it was $50 he just stole). PayPal claim is an interesting idea.
     
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    CoriolisEffect said:
    I’m not even going to address the douchiness of your comments.

    I’m simply saying that forcibly taking something away from someone when they legitimately paid for it without any opportunity of recourse or refund is extremely unethical. Do you really not see that side of it?
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    Help!!
    Somebody call the Wambulance...
     
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    CoriolisEffect said:
    That’s obviously not what I’m getting at, dipshit. You know exactly what I’m going after here and it’s apparent that you don’t see any issue with how this was done.
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    VA Varminter is spot on.
    You didn't pay for being able to post in the PX.

    You simply bought 100 posts.

    Buying those posts allowed you to hit the magic number of 100, thereby allowing you to bypass being a contributing member here.

    You've contributed absolutely nothing, yet you've gotten personal and financial gain, and you are bitching about it.

    You're calling VA a dipshit?
     
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    #35
    Please don't call VA a dipshit. There is no rule you can't pass the $20 to the customer as a tax disguised as shipping & handling charge. Be creative. Not only do we have the ATF and FBI infiltrating our ranks we also have state tax agencies in the PX now that interstate commerce via common carrier may be taxable in your state.
     
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    Culpeper said:
    Please don't call VA a dipshit. There is no rule you can't pass the $20 to the customer as a tax disguised as shipping & handling charge. Be creative. Not only do we have the ATF and FBI infiltrating our ranks we also have state tax agencies in the PX now that interstate commerce via common carrier may be taxable in your state.
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    But it's fine for him to say that I'm poor and stupid, huh? Got it, rules for thee but not for me. It seems SH is yet another online old boys club, got it.

    For the record, I joined SH because I wanted to get into long distance shooting. I paid the $50 PX access fee (to be clear that's literally how it was advertised, the 100 posts was just the forum coding mechanic to unlock it, it even put that derogatory tag under your user name so don't give me this BS that is was just 100 posts when it was all about the PX) so that I could try to find some nice deals through 'WTB' ads since I wasn't looking to spend crazy $$$ on something I hadn't really done before. I'm not here to sell anything (kind of hard to have anything to sell when you don't do any LR shooting). Plus, you comment on contributing absolutely nothing, what can I contribute of value on something I've never done before?

    Clearly you're all frustrated with something, I've read some of the threads like this one, I get it: https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/the-px-super-user.6927247/

    My issue is simply with the principle of it. I just don't get how it seems that you all support the idea that a business could sell someone something, and then take it back without recourse. That is literally a textbook example of unethical business practice.
     
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    @CoriolisEffect
    While you have to be a monthly (or yearly) supporter to POST A NEW THREAD in the PX, you CAN reply to any EXISTING threads just fine as well as PM the sellers, without needing to be a supporter.

    So while you can't post a WTB ad (and really those are like a giant sky signal to every scammer out there), you can watch the PX and if you see something that somebody has that you want, feel free to jump on the thread and go grab it.
     
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    #41
    Did you not have access to the PX after you paid the 100 posts? I don’t recall it ever saying you were buying permanent px access. Rules changed, entry fee changed. It costs money to run this place and the money has to come from somewhere. This place isn’t bombarded with ads everywhere either.
     
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    armorpl8chikn said:
    Yes. Just like the rest of the world.
    Something for nothing.
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    $50 wasn't 'nothing', please try to come up with a better attempt to attack my character since this one was kinderspiel...

    W54/XM-388 said:
    @CoriolisEffect
    While you have to be a monthly (or yearly) supporter to POST A NEW THREAD in the PX, you CAN reply to any EXISTING threads just fine as well as PM the sellers, without needing to be a supporter.

    So while you can't post a WTB ad (and really those are like a giant sky signal to every scammer out there), you can watch the PX and if you see something that somebody has that you want, feel free to jump on the thread and go grab it.
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    Yea, I understand that is still possible. I liked being able to post a WTB because sometimes people have items that are "for sale" in their minds but don't necessarily exist in a FS thread.

    Like I mentioned earlier, I get that this part of the forum has apparently had a lot of issues, certainly action should be taken to correct that, I just can't help but feel like there must have been a better way than screwing over the "little guy". If anyone is questioning my motives, just look at my past posts, I've never once tried to sell anything here.
    armorpl8chikn said:
    You really should rejoice.
    There was a time when you had to offer knowledge and experience. 100 posts were easy if you were worth your salt. The PX was a great, safe place to make a purchase.
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    You should re-read my previous post for more clarity on the knowledge/experience thing. Also, I'm not a bootlicker so I won't be 'rejoicing' that Frank has taken my money AND the very thing I paid for. I'm pretty sure you all would have a very serious problem with someone if they sold something in the PX, accepted payment, then didn't mail the item to the purchaser (and rightfully so).
    TxWelder35 said:
    Did you not have access to the PX after you paid the 100 posts? I don’t recall it ever saying you were buying permanent px access. Rules changed, entry fee changed. It costs money to run this place and the money has to come from somewhere. This place isn’t bombarded with ads everywhere either.
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    It most definitely didn't say that the access was temporary.
     
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    #43
    CoriolisEffect said:
    $50 wasn't 'nothing', please try to come up with a better attempt to attack my character since this one was kinderspiel...



    Yea, I understand that is still possible. I liked being able to post a WTB because sometimes people have items that are "for sale" in their minds but don't necessarily exist in a FS thread.

    Like I mentioned earlier, I get that this part of the forum has apparently had a lot of issues, certainly action should be taken to correct that, I just can't help but feel like there must have been a better way than screwing over the "little guy". If anyone is questioning my motives, just look at my past posts, I've never once tried to sell anything here.

    You should re-read my previous post for more clarity on the knowledge/experience thing. Also, I'm not a bootlicker so I won't be 'rejoicing' that Frank has taken my money AND the very thing I paid for. I'm pretty sure you all would have a very serious problem if someone sold something in the PX, accepted payment, then didn't mail the item to the purchaser (and rightfully so).

    It most definitely didn't say that the access was temporary.
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    I'm a lot of things. I'm not a bootlicker. Ask around.

    Oh...by the way. You want to hear how I got fucked by assholes like you?
     
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    #44
    Technically, the same thing happened to me. Difference is ? I'm not all butt hurt about it. I've seen the issues that the owner has had to contend with and it's been a giant PITA for him. I get it.

    He's running a small business that provides a lot for a lot of people. It's (the business/Hide website) all speculative and he has to make a buck. I don't begrudge him that. He's taken all the risks, we have taken none.
     
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    armorpl8chikn said:
    I'm a lot of things. I'm not a bootlicker. Ask around.

    Oh...by the way. You want to hear how I got fucked by assholes like you?
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    I didn't say you were, I said I wasn't one.

    Sure, this ought to be good. Besides, I still see that the name calling is all good just as long as it's "members" that are doing it.
     
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    #47
    I paid the 50 bucks because I thought i had to in order to buy from folks off the PX. I’m not up in arms about it. I’ve wasted way more on a lot less and the info and knowledge I’ve gained from this site has been vast.

    If 50 bucks is gonna break you then maybe this isn’t the hobby for you.
     
    #48
    @CoriolisEffect

    You don’t realize it but that $50 to sell or post a
    WTB ad is actually saving you money. It’s easy enough to jump on a deal and get screwed over in the px. Posting WTB ad is a magnet recently for scammers.

    Trust us when we say that you will get scammed that way

    You can purchase all you want from the px currently. For absolutely nothing in return to this site. You really can’t ask for more than that if your intent is to purchase items

    I paid the same as you. I had the “hessian” tag. But I’ve spent some time here now and can see exactly why there’s a fee

    Simply buy what you want from what’s listed in the px. Stock up what you want to sell. When you have a decent amount of items purchase the monthly upgrade and sell them with a few $$ tacked on to cover the upgrade. Pay for a month. Sell your items. Then go back to reading, contributing and watching the px for other items you want

    You’ll make your $50 back in a heartbeat by buying quality items from the px currently. And frank asks for literally nothing in return for you to do so. It can’t and won’t get better than that

    If the $50 breaks you to the point you need to file a claim with PayPal….then you may as well find a new sport as you won’t be able to afford to shoot anyways…
     
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    iu
     
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    Of interest, I think it's been well over a year since you could buy the "hessian" tag so anyone that actually bought it probably got at least a year worth of PX posting access which is a pretty smoking deal.

    I'm betting that most of those threatening PayPal chargebacks over their $50 from over a year ago will probably find themselves past the dispute window of both PayPal and their Credit Card companies.

    Plus also something to think about..... Nobody HAS to sell to you if they don't want to, you can say you want it all you wish, but if the guy doesn't feel comfortable with the deal it's their call. And if you out yourself as a flaming malcontent, there is a chance any sellers might think it's a bit safer to take an offer from somebody else less likely to go all threatening and such.
     
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