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France, this could be us?

Not to derail this thread but most of them don't work full time jobs and they all have a mothering instinct which leads to things like voting for socialism and bringing in illegals and "refugees" The founding fathers weren't stupid. They set things up the way they did for a reason.
Speaking of full time jobs. All the politicians being lifers/dynasty and never being in the real world is another big problem.


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Not inspired by the racial aspects of his piece.

Fighting against tyrannical govt applies to all races/sexes.

You are American and swear an oath to the Constitution and the Republic which it protects or you are something else.

I'm glad that you said something. I picked up on the muddy damned boots he was dragging all over the fabric of his argument, as well.
 
I agree that his repeated references to race detracted from his otherwise good arguments, but at the same time we shouldn't discount the racial disaffection he is voicing. I have ZERO connection to "white people" oppressing other people as recently as fifty years ago...ZERO. Pretending that I do because I vaguely look like them is about the most racist/ignorant train of thought that can exist, and those who have it are morons. Trying to make me responsible for past oppression and trying to punish me or my children for it is the opposite of "Justice". Calling it "Social Justice" does not mean it isn't plain old racism, and the people pushing for it anything but bigoted, morons.

So really, while you're crying about perceived racism and "micro-aggressions" from white people I am being legally discriminated against in my business and frozen out of government contracts because I'm the wrong color/gender. I ONLY win them when I partner up with a minority or woman owned business. They won't even look at my RFP response unless I do, because I am the wrong color and the wrong gender.

I teach my little boy that you are going to have to be smarter, better, and tougher than everyone else, because you are going to be discriminated against because you are male and white. I don't "perceive" that. It's official policy, and is in plain writing. That's not a fucking micro-aggression, perception, or leftist bullshit. That's reality. That's official, codified policy...

So really, while I too find his focus on race unhelpful in explaining universal political truths about liberty and man's condition, we are going to get ever more tribalism and ever more racial unrest if legalized discrimination persists, and we do not listen to MLKs vision of a color blind society (which is now viewed as evil by the left). I don't agree, and know that oppressing my oppressor is a bad policy if I have to live with him, but I would not be so dismissive, because reality can be very different from bullshit perception.
 
I agree that his repeated references to race detracted from his otherwise good arguments, but at the same time we shouldn't discount the racial disaffection he is voicing. I have ZERO connection to "white people" oppressing other people as recently as fifty years ago...ZERO. Pretending that I do because I vaguely look like them is about the most racist/ignorant train of thought that can exist, and those who have it are morons. Trying to make me responsible for past oppression and trying to punish me or my children for it is the opposite of "Justice". Calling it "Social Justice" does not mean it isn't plain old racism, and the people pushing for it anything but bigoted, morons.

So really, while you're crying about perceived racism and "micro-aggressions" from white people I am being legally discriminated against in my business and frozen out of government contracts because I'm the wrong color/gender. I ONLY win them when I partner up with a minority or woman owned business. They won't even look at my RFP response unless I do, because I am the wrong color and the wrong gender.

I teach my little boy that you are going to have to be smarter, better, and tougher than everyone else, because you are going to be discriminated against because you are male and white. I don't "perceive" that. It's official policy, and is in plain writing. That's not a fucking micro-aggression, perception, or leftist bullshit. That's reality. That's official, codified policy...

So really, while I too find his focus on race unhelpful in explaining universal political truths about liberty and man's condition, we are going to get ever more tribalism and ever more racial unrest if legalized discrimination persists, and we do not listen to MLKs vision of a color blind society (which is now viewed as evil by the left). I don't agree, and know that oppressing my oppressor is a bad policy if I have to live with him, but I would not be so dismissive, because reality can be very different from bullshit perception.
An acid test I've found concerning your topic.
If you replace the word "white" with any of the commonly used "victim class" nouns is there any compunction to even bring up the fact.
The fact that we are even worried to bring up legitimate aggrievances suffered by the "white" minority on the face of this Earth
is testament to the media's bias and effectiveness in their programming.

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I'm neither worried, nor am I claiming to be a victim. Life is not fair. I don't go into it expecting it to be "fair". I go in expecting it to be unfair, expecting to be discriminated against for whatever, expecting to be in the minority, or outnumbered and ganged up on, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to point out gross hypocrisy and vice masquerading as virtue when I see it. Fuck 'em.

The whole idea of "white guilt", "race memory" or other such bullshit sets us back, and prevents us from seeing and treating each other as individuals. When you buy into this shit and accept it you become part of the problem.

I get a truly color blind and egalitarian society is probably not achievable. We will always have prejudice and some level of bigotry, because it's hardwired as a survival mechanism. However, it is one thing to have it be a socially unacceptable failing at the fringe, and quite another to have it institutionalized and codified legally. The latter should be attacked and prosecuted wherever we find it and no matter whom it's target or preferred people are. Such a thing belongs is authoritarian and totalitarian societies, not in free ones. It should be offensive for what it is, not at whom it is directed.
 
I'm neither worried, nor am I claiming to be a victim. Life is not fair. I don't go into it expecting it to be "fair". I go in expecting it to be unfair, expecting to be discriminated against for whatever, expecting to be in the minority, or outnumbered and ganged up on, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to point out gross hypocrisy and vice masquerading as virtue when I see it. Fuck 'em.

The whole idea of "white guilt", "race memory" or other such bullshit sets us back, and prevents us from seeing and treating each other as individuals. When you buy into this shit and accept it you become part of the problem.

I get a truly color blind and egalitarian society is probably not achievable. We will always have prejudice and some level of bigotry, because it's hardwired as a survival mechanism. However, it is one thing to have it be a socially unacceptable failing at the fringe, and quite another to have it institutionalized and codified legally. The latter should be attacked and prosecuted wherever we find it and no matter whom it's target or preferred people are. Such a thing belongs is authoritarian and totalitarian societies, not in free ones. It should be offensive for what it is, not at whom it is directed.


I'm a cultural bigot.

Culture matters more than race.

I find I like cultural Americans, those dedicated to rule of law as defined by our Constitution and committed to the Republic and its idea of small government.

Race is just a veneer, culture is about what is inside you.

Cultural matters such as food, dress, etc are the shallow layers of culture, enjoy what you like as long as you leave others to theirs.

It becomes an issue when you look to have govt replace personal responsibility by taking from the responsible and giving to the irresponsible. That is harmful "culture".
 
France is striking a lot of chords with our immigration problem in the US, I agree. Personally, I don't give a fuck about race but I care a lot in regard to heritage. I have ancestors that dedicated their lives, fought, and died for my country so that their future generations would be free and prosper. Without them the only life I'd be entitled to is starving in the mud, and that's not an opinion it's just real life. I'm sorry immigrant's lives suck, but I'm not drowning my country or aspects of its vital infrastructure and economy to float their population. Call me heartless or privileged, I just think it's realistic to admit I care more about the quality of life for my family and countrymen, our land, resources, and our government than I care about other people who have established a failed method of how to live like rats. Individually it's not their fault, but collectively they are in the situation they deserve— if it were meant to be any other way, it would be. If we don't take a scientific approach to controlling our own country the same will happen to us, and then we will deserve it as well. I see their suffering as no result of my own existence, so I see no obligation to their concerns. Maybe that's unremarkable of me, but life doesn't always let you make perfect choices.

I don't agree with his assertion that with a lack of immigrants emission levels would be much lower, I think that the population would still scale to what can be accommodated just with a different proportion of natives compared to immigrants.
 
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I'm neither worried, nor am I claiming to be a victim. Life is not fair. I don't go into it expecting it to be "fair". I go in expecting it to be unfair, expecting to be discriminated against for whatever, expecting to be in the minority, or outnumbered and ganged up on, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to point out gross hypocrisy and vice masquerading as virtue when I see it. Fuck 'em.

The whole idea of "white guilt", "race memory" or other such bullshit sets us back, and prevents us from seeing and treating each other as individuals. When you buy into this shit and accept it you become part of the problem.

I get a truly color blind and egalitarian society is probably not achievable. We will always have prejudice and some level of bigotry, because it's hardwired as a survival mechanism. However, it is one thing to have it be a socially unacceptable failing at the fringe, and quite another to have it institutionalized and codified legally. The latter should be attacked and prosecuted wherever we find it and no matter whom it's target or preferred people are. Such a thing belongs is authoritarian and totalitarian societies, not in free ones. It should be offensive for what it is, not at whom it is directed.
My intent wasn't to claim a victim status.
"to have it institutionalized and codified legally" is more to the point.
This is exactly what is being done here and abroad.
For much longer than most would like to admit.

R
 
I'm a cultural bigot.

Culture matters more than race.

I find I like cultural Americans, those dedicated to rule of law as defined by our Constitution and committed to the Republic and its idea of small government.

Race is just a veneer, culture is about what is inside you. .



Yes! Thank you. But it's hard to argue that this is not a thought provoking piece.

Sure I somewhat disagree with the racial overtones of the video but overall it's hard to disagree that there are facsimiles and analogous threads happening on our soil. We are not France however, the french have a long history of revolution, we boil like frogs with some issues.

I'M NOT A FAN OF THE RACE CARD: that is why the "culture" perspective resonates with me, and I am glad you brought that up. Lastly on that subject one can have a different culture and still abide by the rule of law. It's a mentality.


Immigrants or not, As China and India come more on line carbon emissions are going to rise regardless. But... the more people there are anywhere the more emissions are going to rise. The sea levels will rise, crops will fail, disease will spread, who will pay? Those living on costal areas and can't afford to move. It's not so much an immigrant problem it's a industrial and overall population problem. Resources divided per populous.

To me the problems in France speaks to more of their Socialist Democracy and the implicit dangers that exist. They have to raise taxes because they have to pay for everyone. When your tax dollar pays for some lazy motherfuckers as well as the pregnant single mother, that's socialism.
 
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Yes! Thank you. But it's hard to argue that this is not a thought provoking piece.

Sure I somewhat disagree with the racial overtones of the video but overall it's hard to disagree that there are facsimiles and analogous threads happening on our soil. We are not France however, the french have a long history of revolution, we boil like frogs with some issues.

I'M NOT A FAN OF THE RACE CARD: that is why the "culture" perspective resonates with me, and I am glad you brought that up. Lastly on that subject one can have a different culture and still abide by the rule of law. It's a mentality.


Immigrants or not, As China and India come more on line carbon emissions are going to rise regardless. But... the more people there are anywhere the more emissions are going to rise. The sea levels will rise, crops will fail, disease will spread, who will pay? Those living on costal areas and can't afford to move. It's not so much an immigrant problem it's a industrial and overall population problem. Resources divided per populous.

To me the problems in France speaks to more of their Socialist Democracy and the implicit dangers that exist. They have to raise taxes because they have to pay for everyone. When your tax dollar pays for some lazy motherfuckers as well as the pregnant single mother, that's socialism.


Carbon concerns are a globalist agenda to create a population brought down to the lowest common denominator and more easily controlled.

For the Globalists to succeed the first world countries must have their standard of living decreased.

Of course no one would voluntarily do that so the globalists have latched on to fear to make them do it.........lower your standard of living or die from climate change.

All hooey.

Thats why in the Paris accords countries such as China, India etc are not required to abide by any of these restrictions until 2030 the thinking being that within that time the first world countries will have their economies effectively destroyed and the world will be one big happy sea of common misery to rule over.

In the 1950s we watched movies based on a world changed by nuclear fission - Rodan and Godzilla were our subconscious fears brought to warn us against the nuclearized world.

Currently we watch The Walking Dead as a the realization of our fears about climate change and rampant disease.

Just like we never got attacked by Godzilla neither will we be destroyed by "MAN MADE" climate change - it doesnt exist. If it existed would all those so invested in it - Obama, Decaprio, Clooney, Gore - live the lifestyles they do? I watched Obama fly from Washington on a 747 with 4 people aboard. Fuck them.

Thomas Malthus thought humanity would outstrip its ability to feed itself hundreds of years ago and cried the sky is falling like the good pessimistic tyrant he was. Al Gore is just Thomas Malthus of today.
 
Carbon concerns are a globalist agenda to create a population brought down to the lowest common denominator and more easily controlled .

Certainly like anything in the media some of the effects are fabricated but please read further.

I have to say I disagree with some of your statements as I have some insiders perspective on this. My first job out of college was at NCAR in Boulder Colorado, (The National Center For Atmospheric Research,) Mind you this was in the early nineties and way before climate change was a political agenda at all. Bush senior was prez at the time. The climate models we were looking at were very accurate and excellent predictors of what's partially going on. I know most here are not going to jive with what I'm saying but I can tell you that this is very different than Godzilla and made up monsters or lame zombie shows.

It's too bad scientific results are now politically motivated as it acutely nullifies the science all together. There are fucking crackpots on both sides either totally denying atmospheric change or pushing armageddon. I'm glad I don't see eye to eye with either party. I am not predicting the end of the world but rather some pretty big changes.

I predict I will get flamed here for taking my particular stance but I know we had no political agenda when I was there. I certainly was not faking any of the algorithms or data that was being entered.
 
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Certainly like anything in the media some of the effects are fabricated but please read further.

I have to say I disagree with some of your statements as I have some insiders perspective on this. My first job out of college was at NCAR in Boulder Colorado, (The National Center For Atmospheric Research,) Mind you this was in the early nineties and way before climate change was a political agenda at all. Bush senior was prez at the time. The climate models we were looking at were very accurate and excellent predictors of what's partially going on. I know most here are not going to jive with what I'm saying but I can tell you that this is very different than Godzilla and made up monsters or lame zombie shows.

It's too bad scientific results are now politically motivated as it acutely nullifies the science all together. There are fucking crackpots on both sides either totally denying atmospheric change or pushing armageddon. I'm glad I don't see eye to eye with either party. I am not predicting the end of the world but rather some pretty big changes.

I predict I will get flamed here for taking my particular stance but I know we had no political agenda when I was there. I certainly was not faking any of the algorithms or data that was being entered.

Well, what did you find? Are winters getting worse/colder because of climate change? Some say they are, some say it’s a bunch of BS! The earth has always had periods of cooling and warming, it’s the nature of things. Not to mention, one day things are going to heat up anyways because the sun and it’s rays ar growing more rapid than the earth is moving out. One day the earth will be engulfed by the sun. How do we know the effects we see aren’t simply related to changes in the sun itself vs things on earth causing this phenomenon? Truth of the matter is probably somewhere in the middle. Imo, the earth can only support so many people despite what side of the aisle you fall on concerning global warming. In order to make any real change the entire globe would have to be on board. In fact, the US actually outputs very little pollution when compared to other countries in the world. Even if we curtailed everything we did it wouldn’t make up for what the rest of the world is doing. SO what’s the point? I mean at some time we are going to have to address things or figure out how to get off of this rock, global warming or not.
 
We were looking at warming trends based on particulate volume, output, not just co2 but methane and other inert gasses. Glacial melt, polar melt, ocean temp, trends in solar radiation emissions. That’s just a few things. But I’m not the scientist just helping with code and visualization software. But scientist have been looking at warming trends for the past sixty years, the whole global warming thing is not new at all. It’s just popularized by the media and politicians, who don’t help things at all.

Yes you are correct there are many other times where the planet has heated up or cooled off, but not at this pace, usually because of an asteroid strike, volcanos, etc. but most of these trends take place over many hundreds or sometimes thousands of years, once again unless it was asteroid or volcano driven.

Once again you are somewhat correct, the US is no longer the major proveyor of greenhouse emissions. China, India, Russia, Brazil is big. Really it’s mostly a population problem, there are just too many damn people. This latest trend is man made.

We were also studying the Martian atmosphere, that was of more interest to me. A lot of that data was used for landing robots there.

Like I said I know this is a touchy subject even for the bear pit.
 
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Certainly like anything in the media some of the effects are fabricated but please read further.

I have to say I disagree with some of your statements as I have some insiders perspective on this. My first job out of college was at NCAR in Boulder Colorado, (The National Center For Atmospheric Research,) Mind you this was in the early nineties and way before climate change was a political agenda at all. Bush senior was prez at the time. The climate models we were looking at were very accurate and excellent predictors of what's partially going on. I know most here are not going to jive with what I'm saying but I can tell you that this is very different than Godzilla and made up monsters or lame zombie shows.

It's too bad scientific results are now politically motivated as it acutely nullifies the science all together. There are fucking crackpots on both sides either totally denying atmospheric change or pushing armageddon. I'm glad I don't see eye to eye with either party. I am not predicting the end of the world but rather some pretty big changes.

I predict I will get flamed here for taking my particular stance but I know we had no political agenda when I was there. I certainly was not faking any of the algorithms or data that was being entered.


Climate change has been politicized since well before the 90s. In grade school, 70s, I was told an ice age was coming and I remember the image of NYC getting covered by a mile high glacier. Tied in with that acid rain was going to kill every tree in the NE/Canada.

Climate infiltration started in the 50s and its priests were fully vested in the 60s.

I agree we need to be vigilant about our environment but with my own eyes I see we are better now than at any other time in my life.

If we cared about climate change we would promote manufacturing in first world countries not export it to open air foundries in India or sweatshops in Vietnam.

There is a problem with pollution but the solutions proposed to promote globalism exacerbate the problem.
 
If we cared about climate change we would promote manufacturing in first world countries not export it to open air foundries in India or sweatshops in Vietnam.

Bingo! If we cared about clean air, clean oceans, and a clean environment, we'd ban all imports of goods from China, India and the rest of the Developing World.

Climate Change is a GLOBAL SCAM TO ENRICH THE GLOBALISTS.

The models are cute, predictive in the very short term, but complete garbage long term, ie greater than 3 years. It's easy to get a model adjusted so that it mirrors past performance and predicts immediate conditions. We do that with our ballistic software, which has 100x more basis in real science than the Climate models.

The underlying assumption that climate today is ideal and we'd be worse off if it changed is complete horse hockey. If the planet warmed up, there would be major benefits to the world, such as a wetter Sahara and more land in Russia and Canada that is available for raising crops.
 
Bingo! If we cared about clean air, clean oceans, and a clean environment, we'd ban all imports of goods from China, India and the rest of the Developing World.

Climate Change is a GLOBAL SCAM TO ENRICH THE GLOBALISTS.

The models are cute, predictive in the very short term, but complete garbage long term, ie greater than 3 years. It's easy to get a model adjusted so that it mirrors past performance and predicts immediate conditions. We do that with our ballistic software, which has 100x more basis in real science than the Climate models.

The underlying assumption that climate today is ideal and we'd be worse off if it changed is complete horse hockey. If the planet warmed up, there would be major benefits to the world, such as a wetter Sahara and more land in Russia and Canada that is available for raising crops.

That’s assuming you have an atmosphere left.
 
Climate change has been politicized since well before the 90s. In grade school, 70s, I was told an ice age was coming and I remember the image of NYC getting covered by a mile high glacier. Tied in with that acid rain was going to kill every tree in the NE/Canada.

Climate infiltration started in the 50s and its priests were fully vested in the 60s.

I agree we need to be vigilant about our environment but with my own eyes I see we are better now than at any other time in my life.

If we cared about climate change we would promote manufacturing in first world countries not export it to open air foundries in India or sweatshops in Vietnam.

There is a problem with pollution but the solutions proposed to promote globalism exacerbate the problem.
Another point in this discussion is if the ice is melting why aren't our coastal cities under water per prediction?
I've heard the climate vs weather argument.
Climate is in fact the aggregate of weather.
I also judge it's merits by who is promoting it.
It reminds me of the snow leopard commercials I've seen recently.

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Certainly like anything in the media some of the effects are fabricated but please read further.

I have to say I disagree with some of your statements as I have some insiders perspective on this. My first job out of college was at NCAR in Boulder Colorado, (The National Center For Atmospheric Research,) Mind you this was in the early nineties and way before climate change was a political agenda at all. Bush senior was prez at the time. The climate models we were looking at were very accurate and excellent predictors of what's partially going on. I know most here are not going to jive with what I'm saying but I can tell you that this is very different than Godzilla and made up monsters or lame zombie shows.

It's too bad scientific results are now politically motivated as it acutely nullifies the science all together. There are fucking crackpots on both sides either totally denying atmospheric change or pushing armageddon. I'm glad I don't see eye to eye with either party. I am not predicting the end of the world but rather some pretty big changes.

I predict I will get flamed here for taking my particular stance but I know we had no political agenda when I was there. I certainly was not faking any of the algorithms or data that was being entered.
They have been caught how many times manipulating/ lying?
And they can't predict what the weather is going to be the next day/week/month/season/year but they are going to predict what the weather will be in 20/50/100/1000 years? They can GTFO with their money/power grabbing bullshit?
 
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Well, what did you find? Are winters getting worse/colder because of climate change? Some say they are, some say it’s a bunch of BS! The earth has always had periods of cooling and warming, it’s the nature of things. Not to mention, one day things are going to heat up anyways because the sun and it’s rays ar growing more rapid than the earth is moving out. One day the earth will be engulfed by the sun. How do we know the effects we see aren’t simply related to changes in the sun itself vs things on earth causing this phenomenon? Truth of the matter is probably somewhere in the middle. Imo, the earth can only support so many people despite what side of the aisle you fall on concerning global warming. In order to make any real change the entire globe would have to be on board. In fact, the US actually outputs very little pollution when compared to other countries in the world. Even if we curtailed everything we did it wouldn’t make up for what the rest of the world is doing. SO what’s the point? I mean at some time we are going to have to address things or figure out how to get off of this rock, global warming or not.
I agree 100% we should be working to get off this planet instead of spending money paying rats to breed and fighting Stone Age people.
But the earth can feed tons more people. All the fertile ground in Africa and the Asian continent that is sitting idle or producing a small percentage of what it is capable of. Not to mention what nuke desalination plants would do for food production of it ever got that dire.
 
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I certainly was not faking any of the algorithms or data that was being entered.

Yea, let me be the first to say, "fuck you". I had a Wash U biologist/computer science researcher over to a BBQ last Summer, and he and his girlfriend stayed in the pool way past 2AM. I am a good host, and did not kick them out till they were ready to leave even though I'm a 9pm bedtime kind of guy. His thesis was that he can create algorithms eliminating the need for classical research and testing in cancer research. Basically he is taking the "climate science" model of algorithms replacing scientific method and trying to apply it to biology. This is something you probably think is terribly interesting. I think it is horrible and will do nothing prevent learning and breakthroughs, as it has in "climate science".

The things he said made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. This bullshit you write now IS "science". Replacing actual evidence gathering and scientific method with partial data (is there any other kind observing a system as massive as planetary climate?) shoved into an algorithm is actually, despite the brave new world you've convinced yourself of, NOTHING NEW. It is true that for the vast majority of people under 30 years old they have been taught that this can replace science, and most of those over 30 in the hard science fields are loath to go against the priests who say it is so, just like they were afraid to call eugenics bullshit.

The last time brilliant "scientists" decided that Greek Scientific Method was quaint we had case studies and the dropping of control groups accepted as "facts". We got science like Eugenics and Freudian psychology. What you participated in, and what my erstwhile, "scientist" friend participate in is NOT science. In order to call it "science" it must conform to scientific method, it must have actual data and qualitative and quantitative observation without being washed through an algorithm that produces a predetermined result. It must have a control group that accounts for the factors your hypothesis imagines are the prime vectors.

You can't just exclude the Sun, and pretend you have a "model" that explains anything, because we already know it doesn't algorithms aside.

In every way possible "environmental science" fails all the most basic tenants of science. It is complete bullshit at this point...even the parts of it that are not. No science should require belief. When it does you KNOW it is NOT science. When you have proof "scientists" manipulate the data on a widespread basis and this is accepted within the discipline to get the result they want there is no question it's not science.

Your predictions are as much bullshit as the ones made 20 years ago that we weren't going to last ten. You just keep making them expecting to be taken seriously. Nothing, NOTHING has changed since Mann and East Anglia. If anything this astrology bullshit has gotten worse and thicker as they try to cover up for their 100% track record of failed predictions and religious like belief.

Yea, I am not a PhD, but I am classically trained as a scientist, and scientific method is how I think. This is so far from that it's ridiculous, and it is the same sort of junk science (meaning NOT science) we see get repeated every generation. This is just it's new iteration, and it is ALWAYS, in every occurrence, used to further a totalitarian ideology. Freedom and liberty are absolutely essential to the rational dissemination of real science. You sometimes get results that don't confirm your biases, and have to change your beliefs based on them. Totalitarianism doesn't work that way. When you're a totalitarian you have a solution and then look to justify it, which is precisely what is at work here. No matter what the "problem" is, the solution is ALLWAYS, ALLWAYS more top down control.

So you can believe whatever you want to believe. Calling it "science" damages our entire species, just like eugenics did last time.
Figure the odds you change your mind in 20 years. Have you changed it in the last 20? How many predictions have to be proven wrong till you stop believing? My guess is that there is no number, because belief does not require evidence. A pretty chart or graph produced by the Priests of the Temple of Syrinx is enough to get your total devotion. As I said, I'm trained to think as a scientist, and maybe a basic one who hasn't forgotten or rejected 101 science, and scientific method. In my experience those who forget the fundamentals even when they call themselves an "expert", usually suck at whatever.
 
When being a skeptic and demanding proof beyond a computer algorithm, makes you a "denier", you know it isn't science. That is nothing less than saying anyone who thinks like a scientist is a heretic.

Of course, I embrace that shit. Being a libertarian/subversive/heretic and telling you groupthink is fucked is my idea of a good time. When there is an enforced "scientific" consensus, throughout human history, it has a track record of almost 100% being wrong. Actual scientific truths invite scrutiny, repeatability, and confirmation testing. No one gets upset if you try and prove them wrong. No one rejects findings when the methodology is open, proper controls are in place, and results can be duplicated.

Fail, fail, fail. What's old is new. We'll never get away from this. It has to be fought and refought every generation. The best is all the "scientists" trying to criminalize (literally) denying their conclusions.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Apollo Missions happened. But, this would be like NASA demanding that moon conspiracy theorists be jailed and criminally punished for peddling their theories. Seriously, if NASA did that it would only cause me to question what I know to be the facts. Same, same.
 
Yes discount the sun at your peril.

Looking forward to what the Parker Solar Probe discovers when it gets within single digit millions of miles of Sol.

I wouldnt be surprised if the sun decides to burp and puts its heat shielding to a test they never expected it to be subject to.

Al Gore could have had it wrong.....instead of the earth having a fever its more likely the sun.

Thinking that big bag of gas fueled by crushing fusion maintains anything close to stable is nuts.

Sure over its lifetime it is relatively stable but in terms of cosmic time increased output could go on for a century and while it means something to us, it means nothing in the big scheme of things.
 
Climate change...

The Earth has experienced five mass extinction events.

The last one resulted in us...; and I gotta say I have mixed feelings about that.

In terms of overall good and bad, maybe it's time for that reset now...
 
5 extinctions in a system billions of years old...........we aint going anywhere any time soon.

Sure we will shit where we eat but the system shrugs us off with ease.

Sure we could nuke ourselves into extinction but the planet and its adapted organisms will roll on.
 
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Yea, let me be the first to say, "fuck you". I had a Wash U biologist/computer science researcher over to a BBQ last Summer, and he and his girlfriend stayed in the pool way past 2AM. I am a good host, and did not kick them out till they were ready to leave even though I'm a 9pm bedtime kind of guy. His thesis was that he can create algorithms eliminating the need for classical research and testing in cancer research. Basically he is taking the "climate science" model of algorithms replacing scientific method and trying to apply it to biology. This is something you probably think is terribly interesting. I think it is horrible and will do nothing prevent learning and breakthroughs, as it has in "climate science".

The things he said made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. This bullshit you write now IS "science". Replacing actual evidence gathering and scientific method with partial data (is there any other kind observing a system as massive as planetary climate?) shoved into an algorithm is actually, despite the brave new world you've convinced yourself of, NOTHING NEW. It is true that for the vast majority of people under 30 years old they have been taught that this can replace science, and most of those over 30 in the hard science fields are loath to go against the priests who say it is so, just like they were afraid to call eugenics bullshit.

The last time brilliant "scientists" decided that Greek Scientific Method was quaint we had case studies and the dropping of control groups accepted as "facts". We got science like Eugenics and Freudian psychology. What you participated in, and what my erstwhile, "scientist" friend participate in is NOT science. In order to call it "science" it must conform to scientific method, it must have actual data and qualitative and quantitative observation without being washed through an algorithm that produces a predetermined result. It must have a control group that accounts for the factors your hypothesis imagines are the prime vectors.

You can't just exclude the Sun, and pretend you have a "model" that explains anything, because we already know it doesn't algorithms aside.

In every way possible "environmental science" fails all the most basic tenants of science. It is complete bullshit at this point...even the parts of it that are not. No science should require belief. When it does you KNOW it is NOT science. When you have proof "scientists" manipulate the data on a widespread basis and this is accepted within the discipline to get the result they want there is no question it's not science.

Your predictions are as much bullshit as the ones made 20 years ago that we weren't going to last ten. You just keep making them expecting to be taken seriously. Nothing, NOTHING has changed since Mann and East Anglia. If anything this astrology bullshit has gotten worse and thicker as they try to cover up for their 100% track record of failed predictions and religious like belief.

Yea, I am not a PhD, but I am classically trained as a scientist, and scientific method is how I think. This is so far from that it's ridiculous, and it is the same sort of junk science (meaning NOT science) we see get repeated every generation. This is just it's new iteration, and it is ALWAYS, in every occurrence, used to further a totalitarian ideology. Freedom and liberty are absolutely essential to the rational dissemination of real science. You sometimes get results that don't confirm your biases, and have to change your beliefs based on them. Totalitarianism doesn't work that way. When you're a totalitarian you have a solution and then look to justify it, which is precisely what is at work here. No matter what the "problem" is, the solution is ALLWAYS, ALLWAYS more top down control.

So you can believe whatever you want to believe. Calling it "science" damages our entire species, just like eugenics did last time.
Figure the odds you change your mind in 20 years. Have you changed it in the last 20? How many predictions have to be proven wrong till you stop believing? My guess is that there is no number, because belief does not require evidence. A pretty chart or graph produced by the Priests of the Temple of Syrinx is enough to get your total devotion. As I said, I'm trained to think as a scientist, and maybe a basic one who hasn't forgotten or rejected 101 science, and scientific method. In my experience those who forget the fundamentals even when they call themselves an "expert", usually suck at whatever.
Bravo.
 
Terror and crime is good for the statist. People beg for them to take more power and more money plus take more of their remaining liberty.
 
“Fuck you” so how do you really feel? Nice manifesto, but I’m not that guy in your pool. Defiantly a hot button topic. I don’t deny anyone here their right to say what they think. It’s actually great we can tell people to fuck off. I just think it’s too bad that this is such an emotional topic. If we really did give a shit we would be doing things a lot differently. I agree with that. As well I’m not going to try to covert you guys, because you’re going to believe what you’re going to believe, that’s my libertarian philosophy at work.

That aside and getting back on track France is fucked and the EUs immigration policy is a big part of it. Germany, Sweden and Norway are fucked too. It’s a shame.
 
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It's not emotional. It's about lies liars and socialists using fake "science" to justify stealing money/property rights/destroy all motors/etc.

Fuck them hope they all die n
 
An acid test I've found concerning your topic.
If you replace the word "white" with any of the commonly used "victim class" nouns is there any compunction to even bring up the fact.
The fact that we are even worried to bring up legitimate aggrievances suffered by the "white" minority on the face of this Earth
is testament to the media's bias and effectiveness in their programming.

R
Acid test?? Is that when you drop lsd with a few total strangers of different colors and watch Fantasia together and Pink Floyd while watching the wizard of oz?
 
Acid test?? Is that when you drop lsd with a few total strangers of different colors and watch Fantasia together and Pink Floyd while watching the wizard of oz?

litmus, acid, rabbit.............they are all tests you know what was meant.
 
All the people on this creation could stand comfortably in Rhode Island, no one would have to hug. You could drown everyone in Loch Ness... three times.

Overpopulation is a myth, a hell-spawned lie, by the Father of lies, to facilitate theft and murder, which are also his specialties.

When the lies lead to theft and murder, you can logically deduce they were in fact lies.
 
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All the people on this creation could stand comfortably in Rhode Island, no one would have to hug. You could drown everyone in Loch Ness... three times.

Overpopulation is a myth, a hell-spawned lie, by the Father of lies, to facilitate theft and murder, which are also his specialties.

When the lies lead to theft and murder, you can logically deduce they were in fact lies.

I don’t agree with that. It takes a lot of resources for one person. One person theoretically needs x amount land just to provide sustinence for them. Say you’d like to have some veggies, some eggs, some bacon, some beef etc. on a daily basis. Those animals need so much land to provide for them to be able to provide for you and so on. It’s not as simple as saying you can fit everyone in RI. Each person on this earth requires/burns x amount of resources on a daily basis themselves. There is only so much land and resources to go around. Start burning through those resources faster than they can be replenished and see what happens to the world. Farmers can barely keep up with demand as it is. That doesn’t include energy and water and so forth. Again, it’s not nearly as simple as your example.
 
Farmers can barely keep up with demand as it is. That doesn’t include energy and water and so forth. Again, it’s not nearly as simple as your example.

Actually that's what the anti progress Communists want you to think.
Just in the USA alone, a good amount of food production potential is purposely idled by the government & industry to maintain high prices.
That's before you start getting into things like putting corn in your gas tank where it ruins your gas mileage instead of putting it in hungry human bellies.

Water is not a problem, it's just a matter of not storing directing and refining it correctly and in the right places.

We've only just begun to start with some of the new high density farming ideas.

You could double the world's population and still feed them well, it's just a lack of the political, economic & social will to do so.

Just as you could easily fit twice as many people in most countries, just by building some new cities.

Africa could be feeding the whole planet by itself instead of being filled with images of starving people if they stopped constantly killing each other and started farming like we do here in the USA.

They always want to tell you that there is only so much pie and everybody can only have a tiny slice and we can't have more people over.

The true answer is, head into the kitchen, and bake as many pies as you want.
 
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Actually that's what the anti progress Communists want you to think.
Just in the USA alone, a good amount of food production potential is purposely idled by the government & industry to maintain high prices.
That's before you start getting into things like putting corn in your gas tank where it ruins your gas mileage instead of putting it in hungry human bellies.

Water is not a problem, it's just a matter of not storing directing and refining it correctly and in the right places.

We've only just begun to start with some of the new high density farming ideas.

You could double the world's population and still feed them well, it's just a lack of the political, economic & social will to do so.

Just as you could easily fit twice as many people in most countries, just by building some new cities.

Africa could be feeding the whole planet by itself instead of being filled with images of starving people if they stopped constantly killing each other and started farming like we do here in the USA.

They always want to tell you that there is only so much pie and everybody can only have a tiny slice and we can't have more people over.

The true answer is, head into the kitchen, and bake as many pies as you want.
Yep ^^^
First rule of marketing- scarcity.

R
 
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Actually that's what the anti progress Communists want you to think.
Just in the USA alone, a good amount of food production potential is purposely idled by the government & industry to maintain high prices.
That's before you start getting into things like putting corn in your gas tank where it ruins your gas mileage instead of putting it in hungry human bellies.

Water is not a problem, it's just a matter of not storing directing and refining it correctly and in the right places.

We've only just begun to start with some of the new high density farming ideas.

You could double the world's population and still feed them well, it's just a lack of the political, economic & social will to do so.

Just as you could easily fit twice as many people in most countries, just by building some new cities.

Africa could be feeding the whole planet by itself instead of being filled with images of starving people if they stopped constantly killing each other and started farming like we do here in the USA.

They always want to tell you that there is only so much pie and everybody can only have a tiny slice and we can't have more people over.

The true answer is, head into the kitchen, and bake as many pies as you want.
Just to add some facts
Farmers hate crp as much as you hate paying for it. And it isnt a sizable portion of farm land

.gov manipulates markets and does things like teach other countries to farm. This is to ensure a cheap plentiful food supply. All their bs isn't for farmers. It's for the consumer.

A large percentage of the corn from ethanol production is still utilized as a feed in the form of dry or wet distillers grains.

We could feed ten times the people we have right now if land were propertly utilized. Rhodesia / Zimbabwe / South Africa / etc situations are the problem.

Oh and we would have 0! over population problems if all the bs welfare programs and "foreign aid" programs were ended.
Giving money to the welfare class here and in places like Haiti/Africa is like dumping endless corn to rats and wonder why they keep reproducing.
Liberalism makes every problem they try to solve worse.
 
Smart successful people are having 0-2 kids.
The idiot rat class is having 6-10+
You subsidize something you get more of it
 
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Smart successful people are having 0-2 kids.
The idiot rat class is having 6-10+

Seems to be a common failing, the smart intelligent people who should be having lots of kids are to busy or don't want to have kids due to the workload.

So re-population is left to those less intelligent and driven.

Pretty much devolution.
It's happening all over the advanced, industrialized, wealthy nations.
They stopped wanting to do their duty to their country and species of reproducing in enough numbers.
But they keep letting in more and more people from much less evolved cultures who have little desire to truly excel.
We are just now starting to see how that is going to affect us all, pretty much 2nd and 3rd world conditions for everyone.
 
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