Don't be a "yes man". If you see or know something bad is happening to someone especially children FUCKING DO SOMETHING.
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One very qualified SRO in the school with a intimate understanding of the doors, rooms, any comms. with staff, floor plan and some balls could have done what 30+ outside did not.
Police recovered a Hellfire Trigger at the scene in one of the classrooms , what are the odds.
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Hellfire: The Uvalde Shooter Owned a Device That Makes AR-15s Even More Deadly
Hellfire devices turn make semi-automatic weapons fire almost as fast as their banned, fully automatic cousins. Why are they legal?
Next week they’ll find a solvent trap in his basementPolice recovered a Hellfire Trigger at the scene in one of the classrooms , what are the odds.
Hellfire: The Uvalde Shooter Owned a Device That Makes AR-15s Even More Deadly
Hellfire devices turn make semi-automatic weapons fire almost as fast as their banned, fully automatic cousins. Why are they legal?
Police recovered a Hellfire Trigger at the scene in one of the classrooms , what are the odds.
Hellfire: The Uvalde Shooter Owned a Device That Makes AR-15s Even More Deadly
Hellfire devices turn make semi-automatic weapons fire almost as fast as their banned, fully automatic cousins. Why are they legal?
But where are those 300 round clips I keep hearing about??????
They're too busy being called "thigies that go up".
After you watch let me know what your reaction is.
Seems RI just passed a bunch of shit!
The odds that the fucked up kid used them and removed them are approximately less than zero.Police recovered a Hellfire Trigger at the scene in one of the classrooms , what are the odds.
Hellfire: The Uvalde Shooter Owned a Device That Makes AR-15s Even More Deadly
Hellfire devices turn make semi-automatic weapons fire almost as fast as their banned, fully automatic cousins. Why are they legal?
How long do we put up with these lies from leftist popo?
I believe they're called "shoulder things".
When Jocko goes through the time line as printed in the paper and his take at each point its unbelievable how they waited so long before going in when they had more then enough men to go in at the start. Jocko could use Uvalde in his training on what a wrong response would be to an active shooter in a school, actually a disgusting response. As he said the school should have a radio to the police. I would say that the SWAT Team should be the first responder to any report of a shooter on or near a school. Then Swat can call in the locals for crowd and traffic control, as it stands now we are working ass backwards. But if they don't have the training they need then it doesn't help anyone.As he stated this is the world we made at this time so we need Vets or Police in school low key but there ready to respond within seconds. We shut down the capacity to treat mental illness so we have to deal with them in society when they attack and kill people. Instead of diffusing the bomb we let it go off first and then deal with the aftermath and then try to come up with stupid solutions that don't include diffusing the bomb before it goes bang.
Jocko, who wouldn't follow him into to battle or be trained by him..........
That Arredondo, or whatever his name is, was just a political plug, or cog in the Dem. wheel but had no real qualifications or business being a police chief, as it became horrifically clear.
Thats was problem in Parkland as well and the residents should be informed what the response will be during a school shooting. If the members of the department didn't sign up to be first man in scenarios then the parents have the right to know so other options can be adopted .
And Israel, Arredondo as well as former Austin/Houston/Miami Police Chief Art Acevedo were far right Dem. shills with no goal other than to push the Leftist agenda.
Karens ask, "How many more children will be killed before they ban assault weapons?" One should ask, how many more school shooters will be protected and allowed to go on a rampage by their anti-gun, Dem. police chiefs?
BREAKING: Video Shows Police Never Tried To Open Door To Get In Texas Classroom Where Shooter Was, Report Says
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Question.
Did the kid who shot the school up really wear dresses? Seems the pictures were of other people.
Just wondering if he was really a cross dresser?
Did the kid who shot the school up really wear dresses? Seems the pictures were of other people.
Just wondering if he was really a cross dresser?
Are you fucking shitting me? They had the opportunity to kill the fucker before he got in the school and didn’t.
So let me get this straight, he was so concerned that he might accidentally hit a kid so instead he let’s the dickhead walk in the school unopposed to kill the kids instead.
Fuck that guy.
They staged the whole thing.
Saw multiple reports it was a look alike pictures in Georgia. Pretty sure it was Georgia.
People also claim he drove an f250 when it’s obviously a 150 in the pictures. Claim it’s 2 DD rifles and one obviously looks likes a m&p-15 or similar lower end rifle. People just copy and paste shit and don’t look into it for a second
All the wrong info downplays the real weird situations for people. Pretty sure it’s done on purpose.
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First report was a 5.56 and a 22LR AR style rifles.
It's anywhere kids are being murdered. Here's an idea pretend there's a comma somewhere in the title. I'll let you decide where.
It's anywhere we go to learn about taxes and gas prices.
The only reason SWAT should be used is because the parking lot and hall ways are filled with the dead officers that responded on arrival.
Our Swat guys need time to respond.
They have to makes sure the hair is done, bodies are shaved and oiled, they have the matching gear….
Active shooter is most likely to be handled by an I’ll trained dude.
Unless he is going up against Chechens his training still likely exceeds that of the shooter.
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Ya, it’s going to be rare any team (srt, swat, whatever else your agency/dept calls it nowadays).
Especially if it’s their full time gig. As they will be training or whatever and likely need time to be called an respond.
If it’s a collateral gig, there’s a better chance of someone with better training and better equipment being on scene as they were already out and about doing regular cop work.
The most common reality is it’s going to be a rank and file field guy who has had maybe a class or two on active shooter.
And always a chance someone from another agency or dept ends up there and they are not together and don’t have radio comms with each other.
The whole thing is always going to be a shit show once a shooter is active. The goal is to make it as little a shit show as possible and as short a time as possible.
I’m still waiting on more info (as it’s never good to keep adjusting an opinion every two days when more info that may or may not be true comes out).
*If* he stopped shooting once in the classroom, there is a *chance* it might make sense to change the tactics on the fly.
However, it’s stating to seem like the on scene commander didn’t even have a radio and such and several other issues.
So, it’s becoming increasingly harder to understand who was making decisions and why.
Basically, starting to make it seem like what was already a shit show, turned into a bigger one and possibly was exacerbated without anyone making decisions.
IMO, this is becoming more and more a problem with LE management. Today’s media world has people always looking for a scapegoat. So, less and less are willing to be a decision maker.
Especially if it’s their full time gig. As they will be training or whatever and likely need time to be called an respond.
If it’s a collateral gig, there’s a better chance of someone with better training and better equipment being on scene as they were already out and about doing regular cop work.
The most common reality is it’s going to be a rank and file field guy who has had maybe a class or two on active shooter.
And always a chance someone from another agency or dept ends up there and they are not together and don’t have radio comms with each other.
The whole thing is always going to be a shit show once a shooter is active. The goal is to make it as little a shit show as possible and as short a time as possible.
I’m still waiting on more info (as it’s never good to keep adjusting an opinion every two days when more info that may or may not be true comes out).
*If* he stopped shooting once in the classroom, there is a *chance* it might make sense to change the tactics on the fly.
However, it’s stating to seem like the on scene commander didn’t even have a radio and such and several other issues.
So, it’s becoming increasingly harder to understand who was making decisions and why.
Basically, starting to make it seem like what was already a shit show, turned into a bigger one and possibly was exacerbated without anyone making decisions.
IMO, this is becoming more and more a problem with LE management. Today’s media world has people always looking for a scapegoat. So, less and less are willing to be a decision maker.
I respect what you have to say, but there are too many excuses coming from too many mouths on this. Too much talk about bullshit stuff rather than how you can fucking kill his ass with whatever you have. The mind set is missing.
Speed and violence wins every time. A plan execute NOW is better than the perfect one later. Pin down the shooter and then maneuver on him and kill him. Hammer him with effective fire, then fix him, and kill him. Run his ass down and stick the barrel of you carbine on his head and shoot him.
Officers had numerous chances to close with and destroy the shooter and they failed. Outside the school and then beside the school. They chickened out many times.
The “on scene commander” was none of that.
It’s really very easy. Who has a Ranger tab or is a USMC Gunny? You are in charge. I want the building taken starting in five minutes. Here are the men and the flash bangs. Do it.
Doctrine taught to everyone is....
You arrive, you go.
You dont wait for a stack or a leader - you are your own leader.
If you have the luxury of a team mate than its two guys running to the sound of gunfire both hoping the first shots are aimed at the other guy.
No waiting, no flanking maneuver, no finesse.
Hope everyone besides me sent all elected officials Emails demanding all those cowardly, lying assed officers involved to be held accountable and severely disciplined for their gross insubordination and lack of duty to protect and defend the innocent and for stopping those that wanted to.
With all due respect, here is another more pressing side of this matter:
Regardless of the specific details, it is clear to all except the most deluded or the most craven, that the lack of forceful immediate action by those who were paid almost half the city budget for years to be "protectors" lead to the deaths of many innocent people whose lives could be saved.
The actual truth would undoubtedly come out looking way worse for those LE involved, I doubt the truth will be allowed to be widely reported as it would be too damning.
But instead of fixing the problem the politicians are jumping in whole hog with saying this is a great excuse to use a tragedy, in order to take away the rights and property of law abiding citizens.
And guess who will cheerfully "just follow orders" and "Just uphold the law?" when these new attacks on our freedom and property go into force... yep those same ones whose cowardice & lack of action was responsible for letting a tragedy unfold without any attempt to stop it.
If those in LE can't understand how this makes the decent folks who just want to live their lives in peace and enjoy their freedoms feel, then there isn't much hope discussing things and we'll just have to continue to play this game of pretending there is law and justice in this country until everybody is ready to drop the pretense.
Risk aversion as a professional attribute leads to mediocrity at best, and occasionally to a spectacular failure.
The only thing you wrote that I would have omitted is the phrase “with all due respect”. They don’t deserve it. Other than that you are spot on. Well said.
You may be waiting a long fucking time...
Uvalde Officials Hire Private Law Firm to Block Release of Shooting Records Including 'Highly Embarrassing Information' | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft
The city of Uvalde and the police department reportedly hired a private law firm in Texas to block the release of any public records related to the deadly mass shooting because some of them contain “highly embarrassing information.” The Uvalde police department has been under scrutiny for...
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They called it a legal loophole.
You may be waiting a long fucking time...
Uvalde Officials Hire Private Law Firm to Block Release of Shooting Records Including 'Highly Embarrassing Information' | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft
The city of Uvalde and the police department reportedly hired a private law firm in Texas to block the release of any public records related to the deadly mass shooting because some of them contain “highly embarrassing information.” The Uvalde police department has been under scrutiny for...
Uvalde Police Were in School Hallway with Rifles and Ballistic Shield Within Ten Minutes: Report | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor
A report by the Austin American-Statesman shows Uvalde police were in the hallway of Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield within ten minutes of the start of the mass shooting by Salvador Ramos that killed 19 children and two teachers on May 24 in the small Texas town.
www.thegatewaypundit.com Not looking good.
Now it makes sense why the person in charge left the radios behind so they would be no recorded communications. There is only two excuses to explain what happen, someone need a good school shooting to push a gun control agenda or you had the largest gathering of cowards in a school hallway in all of history. Can't imagine anyone with the gear could stand there outside the door listening to children being shot for an hour, did they ask the janitor to bring a few table with chairs and send out for coffee and donuts?Uvalde Police Were in School Hallway with Rifles and Ballistic Shield Within Ten Minutes: Report | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor
A report by the Austin American-Statesman shows Uvalde police were in the hallway of Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield within ten minutes of the start of the mass shooting by Salvador Ramos that killed 19 children and two teachers on May 24 in the small Texas town.
Not looking good.
The other bad thing with all this is it casts a huge shadow of "lack of trust" upon the whole cop thing. When you use to see a cop you use to think they will be there when you need someone the most, now that trust and image has been tarnished and I'm not sure how you can gain that trust again unless someone drops Thors Hammer on all that were there and did nothing except stop those that tried.
It shows how they do what they are told. Regardless of right or wrong.
The door and charts so they can explain what happened. I want to know why they didn't bring the bloody door so everyone could understand what occurred on the other side of that door for an hour while Officers waited for the gunman to exit the room after he was done killing the children.
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Uvalde shooting: Texas DPS officials bring Robb Elementary School door into state capitol ahead of hearing
The door from Robb Elementary School was brought into the Texas State Capitol ahead of a hearing on the shooting that left 19 children and two adults dead.
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Yep. Single man entry. Speed and violence.
Shooter has a lot more unknowns and distractions than the entry team.
All of that is true. However, all the training in the world is not going to help anyone get in the door if they lack courage.
Some folks talk a good line about what they would do in a situation but till it actually happens, nobody knows what they will do when the first shot is fired or first punch is thrown at them.
I knew a man in the military once who was about 6' to 6'2" and probably about 180-200. All that weight was all muscle. He was a walking wall of steel.
He talked tough all the time. Every other word was an F-bomb. He liked to intimidate people.
He was like that till one day, a field mouse ran underneath his chair. I use to think he had a deep voice till he started shrieking like a little girl.
I kid you not. He was pissing his pants and shrieking in terror as he jumped on his chair to escape the little furry thing.
Everyone of us that saw it about pissed our pants from laughing so hard. From that time on, he didn't act so tough. He was emotionally castrated.
I was one of his biggest tormentors after that.
We would be approaching each other in the hallway from opposite directions. After I got close to him, I'd jump back and shout, "Look out there's a mouse!"
He'd keep walking with his head down and mumble, "that's real funny."
I've interjected some levity in the subject matter but it's true. Nobody knows how they are going to react until they are put in that situation.
A retired police Captain was telling me about the problems he experienced; actually it was the wussy cops in his department. They acted nervous and afraid to go on some calls.
Now, I'm not trying to be unduly harsh but I said, "that's probably because, you hire people that have never been in fist fights."
He nodded his head in agreement.
During WWII, the German army tried to recruit soldiers, that had experience as poachers, into the sniper ranks. There must have been something to that. Imagine any army forgiving its personnel for pre-service crimes to use those same skill sets in the service of their country.
Poachers know what it is like to hunt and to be hunted - by game wardens. A Wildhüter (game keeper) in Nazi Germany was probably a man that you didn't want to cross whilst poaching the Reich's deer.
Do they ever ask potential cops in a job interview if they have ever been in a fight or been shot at?
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"Tell you what scum bags, sure is a whole lot of librul soundin horse shit in here attackin my BELOVED BOYS IN BLUE!!!! I'd like to see you all try to escape the zip ties and police cars we throw parents in and see how brave you'd be trying to save them kids!!! Those boys lives were in danger, them boys face danger every day and without THEM our society will fall apart!!!!!!!!!!!! If a couple dozen kids need to get whacked to keep my bois safe well hell, that's how it goes!"
You may switch some of the words around but this is how anyone who would defend these cowardly cocksuckers sounds. Boomers on twitter talking about "well you've never been in that situation!" GTFOH.
"Tell you what scum bags, sure is a whole lot of librul soundin horse shit in here attackin my BELOVED BOYS IN BLUE!!!! I'd like to see you all try to escape the zip ties and police cars we throw parents in and see how brave you'd be trying to save them kids!!! Those boys lives were in danger, them boys face danger every day and without THEM our society will fall apart!!!!!!!!!!!! If a couple dozen kids need to get whacked to keep my bois safe well hell, that's how it goes!"
You may switch some of the words around but this is how anyone who would defend these cowardly cocksuckers sounds. Boomers on twitter talking about "well you've never been in that situation!" GTFOH.
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Well, seems the timeline and facts have for the most part been released.
The shooter opened fire at least three times while they were in the hallway and another officer who’s wife was in the room/s called him and told him she and others were bleeding bad.
So, definitely not a barricaded hostage situation. At least not one where there’s a chance of negotiations.
Apparently no one even checked the door to see if it was unlocked. And Arredondo told dispatch they were outgunned (doesn’t matter in that situation). As well as still not going in once shields and rifles showed up.
Had he not fired any shots once he entered the classroom, I could see a change in tactics/situation depending on the information at hand.
But, that doesn’t seem to be the case at all.
With the information now available, it’s a pretty incredible fuck up.
The shooter opened fire at least three times while they were in the hallway and another officer who’s wife was in the room/s called him and told him she and others were bleeding bad.
So, definitely not a barricaded hostage situation. At least not one where there’s a chance of negotiations.
Apparently no one even checked the door to see if it was unlocked. And Arredondo told dispatch they were outgunned (doesn’t matter in that situation). As well as still not going in once shields and rifles showed up.
Had he not fired any shots once he entered the classroom, I could see a change in tactics/situation depending on the information at hand.
But, that doesn’t seem to be the case at all.
With the information now available, it’s a pretty incredible fuck up.
You should run for office, as a Democrat of course.
