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I'm having trouble with my new Tactix Delta AB -- I can pair my Kilo3k with it as an "Applied Ballistics" accessory and it shows as connected on the watch. However the range never updates on the watch and no solution is displayed on the Kilo3k (which is in ABX mode). Who do I contact for help first? Garmin? Sig? or AB?
 

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I'm having trouble with my new Tactix Delta AB -- I can pair my Kilo3k with it as an "Applied Ballistics" accessory and it shows as connected on the watch. However the range never updates on the watch and no solution is displayed on the Kilo3k (which is in ABX mode). Who do I contact for help first? Garmin? Sig? or AB?
1) Make sure the binos are in ABE mode.
2) Make sure the bino firmware is up to date (through the BDX App from Sig)
3) Make sure the watch firmware is up to date (through Garmin app)
4) Set the time out on the binos to a bit longer.
 

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    Currently no plans to connect to the Leica as it isn't in the AB Ecosystem.
    ^This is a confusing statement to me.

    Kestrel AB connects with the Leica, Why would Garmin AB considered differently or "in the AB Ecosystem" vs the Kestrel? Is the Terripan X that does connect "in the AB Ecosystem"?

    Not addressing the Leica's connection is a huge missed opportunity. Leica.com has one of the best diode-controled beams (along with the terrapin) in one of the smallest lightest packages, especially valuable for pack hunters, and does not rely as heavily on the less effective software gating the SIGs trying to simulate a low beam divergence.

    I say this as a disappointed purchaser of the Garmin AB watch. I haven't even opened the box, but gave away my Fenix 5X and bummed to read what I just did.
     

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    ^This is a confusing statement to me.

    Kestrel AB connects with the Leica, Why would Garmin AB considered differently or "in the AB Ecosystem" vs the Kestrel? Is the Terripan X that does connect "in the AB Ecosystem"?

    Not addressing the Leica's connection is a huge missed opportunity. Leica.com has one of the best diode-controled beams (along with the terrapin) in one of the smallest lightest packages, especially valuable for pack hunters, and does not rely as heavily on the less effective software gating the SIGs trying to simulate a low beam divergence.

    I say this as a disappointed purchaser of the Garmin AB watch. I haven't even opened the box, but gave away my Fenix 5X and bummed to read what I just did.
    Different communication protocols.
     

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    Different communication protocols.
    BT is a global standard...so I don't understand your answer @DocUSMCRetired. I know you're not necessarily in the know as you are a third party to this but neither Garmin nor Leica appear forthcoming with a logical answer.

    My guess is that they are running Bluetooth LE and do not necessarily support all of the profiles that a full featured BT transceiver, like in a laptop or mobile phone, will support. Hell, they may even be operating at different speeds so the devices can't communicate properly. That is the downside to BT. There can be a mishmash of standardized and unstandardized wireless connections that have never been tested for coexistence.

    In all honesty, it isn't super difficult to solve this with a bit of mutual cooperation.

    Really too bad.
     
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    BT is a global standard...so I don't understand your answer @DocUSMCRetired. I know you're not necessarily in the know as you are a third party to this but neither Garmin nor Leica appear forthcoming with a logical answer.

    My guess is that they are running Bluetooth LE and do not necessarily support all of the profiles that a full featured BT transceiver, like in a laptop or mobile phone, will support. Hell, they may even be operating at different speeds so the devices can't communicate properly. That is the downside to BT. There can be a mishmash of standardized and unstandardized wireless connections that have never been tested for coexistence.

    In all honesty, it isn't super difficult to solve this with a bit of mutual cooperation.

    Really too bad.
    @christopher.dow a CTO for a large and successful SF based company using BT heavily, I am sure would fall off his chair to see this kind of misstep in 2020.

    The idea of having a more controlled beam divergence in a tiny package for hunting (vs the Sig) with AB on your wrist giving drop as a backup to a range card (that the way I meant to say it), is super appealing
     

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    I would bet it is a Garmin issue. They are probably using the bare bone profile set. It really maximizes battery life.
     

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    All about licenses and getting paid, AB, Kestrel, Hornady, Garmin all need to get a taste. All think they can be Apple and dictate so you buy all the same gear to ensure interoperability.

    Open ecosystem help innovation and proliferation.
     

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    I got a replacement Terripan X last night, just in time for Antelope season, thanks to Safran and Eurooptic. My 2018 model wouldn't update the firmware. I was immediately able link with the TD. Very impressive. I understand why they made the Target Card the way they did bc you have to scroll targets as you lase. Perhaps a Quick Edit function built into the Target card when laid out out list style like the Range card would be doable....
     

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    BT is a global standard...so I don't understand your answer @DocUSMCRetired. I know you're not necessarily in the know as you are a third party to this but neither Garmin nor Leica appear forthcoming with a logical answer.

    My guess is that they are running Bluetooth LE and do not necessarily support all of the profiles that a full featured BT transceiver, like in a laptop or mobile phone, will support. Hell, they may even be operating at different speeds so the devices can't communicate properly. That is the downside to BT. There can be a mishmash of standardized and unstandardized wireless connections that have never been tested for coexistence.

    In all honesty, it isn't super difficult to solve this with a bit of mutual cooperation.

    Really too bad.
    Way more complicated than this. If it was that simple, then you wouldn't have so many BLE issues when working from manufacturer to manufacturer. It is an open ended system where different companies often do things slightly different. Then you have the processing and memory capabilities depending on which chipset you go with. Then you also have the comms protocols, the encryption and security, and more. One single unified standard doesn't exist. One of the reasons why the Kestrel Dongle came into play. So many issues were had with different manufacturers chipsets in laptops that it was just safer and more reliable to run a bluetooth dongle. Logitech does the same thing, they run a unified dongle instead of relying on the different chipsets from every computer builder in the world.
     

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    Way more complicated than this. If it was that simple, then you wouldn't have so many BLE issues when working from manufacturer to manufacturer. It is an open ended system where different companies often do things slightly different. Then you have the processing and memory capabilities depending on which chipset you go with. Then you also have the comms protocols, the encryption and security, and more. One single unified standard doesn't exist. One of the reasons why the Kestrel Dongle came into play. So many issues were had with different manufacturers chipsets in laptops that it was just safer and more reliable to run a bluetooth dongle. Logitech does the same thing, they run a unified dongle instead of relying on the different chipsets from every computer builder in the world.
    With all due respect, you are repeating what I said...

    "There can be a mishmash of standardized and unstandardized wireless connections that have never been tested for coexistence."

    I have been designing military and commercial communication systems for most of my career. All of the commercial systems required BT functionality and interoperability. Testing for coexistence is tedious and requires a concerted and planned effort. It adds many months to a release schedule and requires significant SW quality and test resources. Dongles are band aids that are sometimes necessary to overcome the limitations of the chipset chosen for use along with other reasons. Chipset requirements and tradeoffs sometimes force that to happen. Full featured chipsets are expensive and power hungry. Proprietary protocols are stupid plain and simple. Encrytpion and security are canned. No one uses proprietary encryption other than the Government. Integrating standardized encryption engines to your codebase is usually the complexity.

    The only reason it is hard is because of the changes required due to poor planning. Once the HW design is locked, it generally requires tear up and huge time to market delays to add missing features necessary to allow solid interoperability and coexistence. Companies are not willing to do that for obvious reasons.
     
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    Way more complicated than this. If it was that simple, then you wouldn't have so many BLE issues when working from manufacturer to manufacturer. It is an open ended system where different companies often do things slightly different. Then you have the processing and memory capabilities depending on which chipset you go with. Then you also have the comms protocols, the encryption and security, and more. One single unified standard doesn't exist. One of the reasons why the Kestrel Dongle came into play. So many issues were had with different manufacturers chipsets in laptops that it was just safer and more reliable to run a bluetooth dongle. Logitech does the same thing, they run a unified dongle instead of relying on the different chipsets from every computer builder in the world.
    Doc,

    Thank you for answering the questions and for the time. Somehow the shooting industry needs to think less project to project (mil) and more civi if it will capture the hunters and larger shooter market share. Having so many siloed products without VERY clear guardrails spelled out, when a failure occurs, creates a lot of bad will towards the brand.

    As a personal note, having an AB product (kestrel AB) that worked with both a Terrapin X and Leica, I expected that if the same terrapin X worked with the AB Garmin product, so would the Leica. This was a fatal mistake, my mistake.

    Proprietary
    BTE should be part of the marketing and marked clearly on the packaging resulting in a better consumer understanding and outcome. Over a decade ago, we had robust field units (trimbles) working well with PLRFs. Going a bit backward seems counter-intuitive as even back then, connectivity was very transparent.

    As you are taking the time to help here, I am only taking the time, hoping that it provides feedback that might prove helpful.
     
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    1) Make sure the binos are in ABE mode.
    2) Make sure the bino firmware is up to date (through the BDX App from Sig)
    3) Make sure the watch firmware is up to date (through Garmin app)
    4) Set the time out on the binos to a bit longer.
    Thanks -- I played around with it some more -- confirmed watch (11.10) and binos (App 118, RF 32170, BT 1.125) both have latest firmware.

    I've also removed and re-paired the binos with the Garmin. These binos work with my Foretrex 701 and consistently update the range (though I do not get a firing solution back in the bino display). The timeout on the Kilo3k is set to 180 and they are in ABX (ABE) mode.

    On the Tactix the binos do show as connected as an AB device under "Sensors and Accessories". Under "About" I see the BT ID number, Tech: BLE, and everything else (Model, Man., Serial, SW Ver) are "--", Battery is "Invalid". Not sure if any of that should populate with a Kilo3k.

    When I exit out of the settings to the main AB screen (or to the target cards), I have about 5 seconds where I can range and it updates on the watch. After that it no longer updates the watch. I can range about twice in that time, but it is time based not number of attempts based -- if I wait I get 0 updated readings, or I can take only one and the next doesn't update. I have gotten three different ranges in that time as well.

    If I go back into settings, then down and into "Sensors and Accessories" (no need to scroll down to the AB device -- though it shows as connected if I do) then back out, I have another ~5 seconds to range. I can repeat this as often as I like, dipping back into S&A, then back out to take a quick reading.

    Even for the readings which do update the watch, the ballistic solution in the Kilo3k stays at 0.0.
     

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    With all due respect, you are repeating what I said...

    "There can be a mishmash of standardized and unstandardized wireless connections that have never been tested for coexistence."

    I have been designing military and commercial communication systems for most of my career. All of the commercial systems required BT functionality and interoperability. Testing for coexistence is tedious and requires a concerted and planned effort. It adds many months to a release schedule and requires significant SW quality and test resources. Dongles are band aids that are sometimes necessary to overcome the limitations of the chipset chosen for use along with other reasons. Chipset requirements and tradeoffs sometimes force that to happen. Full featured chipsets are expensive and power hungry. Proprietary protocols are stupid plain and simple. Encrytpion and security are canned. No one uses proprietary encryption other than the Government. Integrating standardized encryption engines to your codebase is usually the complexity.

    The only reason it is hard is because of the changes required due to poor planning. Once the HW design is locked, it generally requires tear up and huge time to market delays to add missing features necessary to allow solid interoperability and coexistence. Companies are not willing to do that for obvious reasons.
    Then you can add on top future changes that might not be compatible or play nice. Its always fun.
     
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    Doc,

    Thank you for answering the questions and for the time. Somehow the shooting industry needs to think less project to project (mil) and more civi if it will capture the hunters and larger shooter market share. Having so many siloed products without VERY clear guardrails spelled out, when a failure occurs, creates a lot of bad will towards the brand.

    As a personal note, having an AB product (kestrel AB) that worked with both a Terrapin X and Leica, I expected that if the same terrapin X worked with the AB Garmin product, so would the Leica. This was a fatal mistake, my mistake.

    Proprietary
    BTE should be part of the marketing and marked clearly on the packaging resulting in a better consumer understanding and outcome. Over a decade ago, we had robust field units (trimbles) working well with PLRFs. Going a bit backward seems counter-intuitive as even back then, connectivity was very transparent.

    As you are taking the time to help here, I am only taking the time, hoping that it provides feedback that might prove helpful.


    That would also require unification in the industry for data transfer. Some devices send everything as a complete packet of data while others may send sensor information out in individual chunks. This further complicates systems as to how it should read and interpret the data. Also it is important to understand that some systems are American, European, Asian, etc... Things are not always done the same around the world which even further complicates things.

    We are always trying to improve things where we can, and we do keep track of feedback.
     

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    Thanks -- I played around with it some more -- confirmed watch (11.10) and binos (App 118, RF 32170, BT 1.125) both have latest firmware.

    I've also removed and re-paired the binos with the Garmin. These binos work with my Foretrex 701 and consistently update the range (though I do not get a firing solution back in the bino display). The timeout on the Kilo3k is set to 180 and they are in ABX (ABE) mode.

    On the Tactix the binos do show as connected as an AB device under "Sensors and Accessories". Under "About" I see the BT ID number, Tech: BLE, and everything else (Model, Man., Serial, SW Ver) are "--", Battery is "Invalid". Not sure if any of that should populate with a Kilo3k.

    When I exit out of the settings to the main AB screen (or to the target cards), I have about 5 seconds where I can range and it updates on the watch. After that it no longer updates the watch. I can range about twice in that time, but it is time based not number of attempts based -- if I wait I get 0 updated readings, or I can take only one and the next doesn't update. I have gotten three different ranges in that time as well.

    If I go back into settings, then down and into "Sensors and Accessories" (no need to scroll down to the AB device -- though it shows as connected if I do) then back out, I have another ~5 seconds to range. I can repeat this as often as I like, dipping back into S&A, then back out to take a quick reading.

    Even for the readings which do update the watch, the ballistic solution in the Kilo3k stays at 0.0.
    It should actually work better if you give it 5 to 7 seconds between ranging targets.
     

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    Another dumb question. Anyone know how to change the range card in the watch to maybe display every 25 yards instead of every hundred
     

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    Now for my own question -- is it possible to set the timeout on the AB app so it doesn't exit out and go to the watchface? I certainly dont want to be messing with pulling up the app before I range something and want to take a shot, but it only stays for a few minutes without input.
     

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    Now for my own question -- is it possible to set the timeout on the AB app so it doesn't exit out and go to the watchface? I certainly dont want to be messing with pulling up the app before I range something and want to take a shot, but it only stays for a few minutes without input.
    If you're going back to the watchface in a few minutes you're likely bumping the back button on the watch. There is no timeout.
     
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    If you're going back to the watchface in a few minutes you're likely bumping the back button on the watch. There is no timeout.
    Figured it out -- if I access AB from the circular quick menu (hold the light button) it times out in 2 minutes. If I start it like an activity than it does not.
     
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    ^This is a confusing statement to me.

    Kestrel AB connects with the Leica, Why would Garmin AB considered differently or "in the AB Ecosystem" vs the Kestrel? Is the Terripan X that does connect "in the AB Ecosystem"?

    Not addressing the Leica's connection is a huge missed opportunity. Leica.com has one of the best diode-controled beams (along with the terrapin) in one of the smallest lightest packages, especially valuable for pack hunters, and does not rely as heavily on the less effective software gating the SIGs trying to simulate a low beam divergence.

    I say this as a disappointed purchaser of the Garmin AB watch. I haven't even opened the box, but gave away my Fenix 5X and bummed to read what I just did.

    I have a gently used Garmin 5x that I will trade you for the AB watch.
     
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    Ok. The watch is very similar to my other gens from Garmin. Is it worth dropping your 5x or 6x for this watch? Probably not as both have ballistic solvers. Well the solar is a game changer so maybe, ok ya that part, it’s great.

    Well, that said, AB guys did create a very nice UI and my hats of to that side. Will I use it as planned without connectivity to the Leica no.
     

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    Ok. The watch is very similar to my other gens from Garmin. Is it worth dropping your 5x or 6x for this watch? Probably not as both have ballistic solvers.
    I upgraded from a Fenix 2 and boy is that jump worth it -- I was going to get a new Fenix 6 or something anyway to get better metrics and full time HR. It was only a little more to get the AB version and I can sell my Foretrex 701 if I want and recover that difference too.
     

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    Ok. The watch is very similar to my other gens from Garmin. Is it worth dropping your 5x or 6x for this watch? Probably not as both have ballistic solvers. Well the solar is a game changer so maybe, ok ya that part, it’s great.

    Well, that said, AB guys did create a very nice UI and my hats of to that side. Will I use it as planned without connectivity to the Leica no.
    Wait, I must be behind the times or too old for this stuff!
    There is a ballistic solver for a Fenix 6S??

    I did find the 'Race' app like the MARQ Driver has, so maybe I'm not hopeless. :)
     

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    Wait, I must be behind the times or too old for this stuff!
    There is a ballistic solver for a Fenix 6S??

    I did find the 'Race' app like the MARQ Driver has, so maybe I'm not hopeless. :)
    Not sure what someone may have written for the 6S as a Connect IQ app, but the AB solver is only available as a built-in app on the Tactix Delta Solar with Ballistics (and the Foretrex 701).
     

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    Not sure what someone may have written for the 6S as a Connect IQ app, but the AB solver is only available as a built-in app on the Tactix Delta Solar with Ballistics (and the Foretrex 701).
    Correct. If you want AB, you go with the latest offering. If you want to mess with some other non-AB app, they can be available on the 5x to my knowledge.

    To be honest, the AB Garmin is pretty well thought out. It's very intuitive and easy to use. My dope maps up almost identical to my Kestrel 5700 AB, to the point it's splitting hairs. I induce more variable change as the shooter than the comparable data between both app's outputs.

    @DocUSMCRetired How many profiles can the AB Garmin hold? Is it comparable to the Kestrel 5700 AB?
     

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    Correct. If you want AB, you go with the latest offering. If you want to mess with some other non-AB app, they can be available on the 5x to my knowledge.

    To be honest, the AB Garmin is pretty well thought out. It's very intuitive and easy to use. My dope maps up almost identical to my Kestrel 5700 AB, to the point it's splitting hairs. I induce more variable change as the shooter than the comparable data between both app's outputs.

    @DocUSMCRetired How many profiles can the AB Garmin hold? Is it comparable to the Kestrel 5700 AB?
    The Garmin is limited to 50 profiles.
     
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    Anybody with the watch have pairing issues to the Garmin connect app? I can get the watch to pair with Bluetooth to my iPhone pro but it always fails to pair with the app. I’ve tried everything under the sun on the Garmin support pages. I am currently waiting for an email back from CS. I am curious if anyone who experienced this may have a quick fix. Thanks
     

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    Anybody with the watch have pairing issues to the Garmin connect app? I can get the watch to pair with Bluetooth to my iPhone pro but it always fails to pair with the app. I’ve tried everything under the sun on the Garmin support pages. I am currently waiting for an email back from CS. I am curious if anyone who experienced this may have a quick fix. Thanks
    Try reinstalling connect. My took a little longer to pair on the first try too. Required an update and it paired shortly there after. Believe I did the update on my MacBook, but can’t recall.
     

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    Try reinstalling connect. My took a little longer to pair on the first try too. Required an update and it paired shortly there after. Believe I did the update on my MacBook, but can’t recall.
    Ok thanks I’ll try and update it through my laptop.
     

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    Thanks -- I played around with it some more -- confirmed watch (11.10) and binos (App 118, RF 32170, BT 1.125) both have latest firmware.

    I've also removed and re-paired the binos with the Garmin. These binos work with my Foretrex 701 and consistently update the range (though I do not get a firing solution back in the bino display). The timeout on the Kilo3k is set to 180 and they are in ABX (ABE) mode.

    On the Tactix the binos do show as connected as an AB device under "Sensors and Accessories". Under "About" I see the BT ID number, Tech: BLE, and everything else (Model, Man., Serial, SW Ver) are "--", Battery is "Invalid". Not sure if any of that should populate with a Kilo3k.

    When I exit out of the settings to the main AB screen (or to the target cards), I have about 5 seconds where I can range and it updates on the watch. After that it no longer updates the watch. I can range about twice in that time, but it is time based not number of attempts based -- if I wait I get 0 updated readings, or I can take only one and the next doesn't update. I have gotten three different ranges in that time as well.

    If I go back into settings, then down and into "Sensors and Accessories" (no need to scroll down to the AB device -- though it shows as connected if I do) then back out, I have another ~5 seconds to range. I can repeat this as often as I like, dipping back into S&A, then back out to take a quick reading.

    Even for the readings which do update the watch, the ballistic solution in the Kilo3k stays at 0.0.
    I figured this out after figuring out the question I had about timeout. My problem was because I was accessing AB through the quick (circular) menu. When I access it through activities my Kilo3k works perfectly and of course it doesn't time out.
     

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    Has anyone encountered the watch restarting while updating the AB Quick Edit? Mine has done it a couple of times. I've not yet looked to see exactly what button order causes it but figured I'd asked if others have seen it, too.

    I'm running the latest software.
     

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    Has anyone encountered the watch restarting while updating the AB Quick Edit? Mine has done it a couple of times. I've not yet looked to see exactly what button order causes it but figured I'd asked if others have seen it, too.

    I'm running the latest software.
    No, haven't experienced a single unrequested restart with this watch.
     

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    Has anyone encountered the watch restarting while updating the AB Quick Edit? Mine has done it a couple of times. I've not yet looked to see exactly what button order causes it but figured I'd asked if others have seen it, too.

    I'm running the latest software.
    I have not
     

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    I used mine Antelope hunting. It worked very well. I have a Tempe on my tripod and my plan was to update the temp every hour or couple of hours. In practice, I had a morning temp and an afternoon temp. Really didn't present itself as much of a concern.

    As we were spotting and stalking we had to lase the goats multiple times. My buddy had a buck tag and I had a doe tag so I wasn't going to shoot a doe before he got the buck he wanted. So there were many near situations in which he was thinking about shooting, setting up for a shot just to have the animal move, etc. As a result I was constantly lasing herds and updating him on ranges and dope. He was shooting a 6 Creed and I was shooting a 6.5 Sherman Short Tactical. He was .1 more than I at 600 and .2 at 800'ish. So I was able to constantly feed him data while watching the animals for eventual impact and he setting up for the shot. The Terripan X and watch combo made it really easy and simple to quickly update a running elevation hold as the herds would move. It was kind of one of those things where it's success made the use uneventful and seamless.
     

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    I have the Garmin Delta Ballistic and PLRF25c BLE X2 part number 914770. I'm trying to connect these two via bluetooth, but am struggling to figure out which settings to use.

    In the PLRF25c, which BT Interface should I be using? BT 4.2 or BT Kestrel? I assume BT 4.2.

    Can I go straight into pairing mode on the PLRF25c and go through the Vectronix connect procedure on the Garmin watch?

    Ironically, the Vectronix shows up on my watch as an option to connect, but it's proving to be a real PITA to figure out how to get them to talk to one another.
     

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    I am in the same boat but with a new Terrapin x and the watch.

    Man is this ever frustrating! I have read everything garmin, this thread like 5x and updated - removed - reinstalled...I connect the TX thru sensors, go to AB and get maybe 1 lase maybe and then it drops off BT.

    Driving me crazy
     

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    I am in the same boat but with a new Terrapin x and the watch.

    Man is this ever frustrating! I have read everything garmin, this thread like 5x and updated - removed - reinstalled...I connect the TX thru sensors, go to AB and get maybe 1 lase maybe and then it drops off BT.

    Driving me crazy
    Which of the BT options are you using on the terrapin? When you press the button 3 times and goes to the BT menu, which one are you using?
     

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    When I go to “accessories and sensors” AB is not present, I have been using the “circular” function to start AB because I can’t seem to start it from “activities and apps” the only option I get is “remove from favorites” or “reorder”

    I almost deleted AB from the Garmin connect app - but wasn’t sure if it would allow me to re-install AB to the watch...any advise is greatly appreciated!
     

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    When I go to “accessories and sensors” AB is not present, I have been using the “circular” function to start AB because I can’t seem to start it from “activities and apps” the only option I get is “remove from favorites” or “reorder”

    I almost deleted AB from the Garmin connect app - but wasn’t sure if it would allow me to re-install AB to the watch...any advise is greatly appreciated!
    When you press the start/enter (top right button on watch), it doesn’t bring up a list with AB as the first option?
     

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    When you press the start/enter (top right button on watch), it doesn’t bring up a list with AB as the first option?
    It should and it also could be added or re-ordered which is only moving it up and down. I don’t think there’s an option to delete that I have come across.

    Check out the attachment. tdH is correct for the Garmin. It’s not an option for the PLRF25c. Can’t even get it to connect :(

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