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Dammit I just sold 2500 of these for 53¢ each as that's what I paid from PV. I ever even shot any of em. Now they near half the price! I'm probably gonna need order some more.
What does that number mean?
Part number or sku. The same number was on all 25 boxes I had.
So that part number makes us more confident that this is the same sort of consistency that others experienced earlier in the thread from a different vendor last year?
padom,
I see a chamber seating die, $82, and I see a micrometer seating die, $140, but I do not see a chamber micrometer seating die.
Which one is it?
What the fuck is wrong with me….i need projectiles like I need a hole in my head. But I couldn’t resist a thousand of these and a thousand of the 135 A-Tip blems from Midsouth. I need a support group or something.
I use the LE Wilson Chamber Micrometer Seating Dies for all my calibers now. They are just plain awesome. Remember, these are for an arbor press. Here you go. Just select your caliber from the list
L.E. Wilson SS Chamber Type Micrometer Seater Die 6mm BR (Bench Rest)
The L.E. Wilson Stainless Steel Chamber Type Micrometer Seater Die features a micrometer seater. Precision adjustment in .001" increments of...
www.midwayusa.com I also have their VLD 6mm stem installed in my 6BR die for seating these 106 Atips
L.E. Wilson Chamber Type Seater Die VLD Bullet Seating Stem 243 Cal,
L.E. Wilson has been making precision reloading tools for over 80 years. Chamber Type Seater Dies are noted for precise accuracy. Both the bullet and...
www.midwayusa.com Out of stock in 6GT, but thank you.
Get it direct from LE Wilson
I keep looking at your picture, and it kind of looks like the stainless steel bullet seater with micrometer adjustment, but there is nothing on LE Wilson's website that puts "chamber type" together with the micrometer.
The picture in the midwayUSA link is "similar" to the product, so I cannot compare.
Is LE Wilson no longer making the type you have, or is their web site description maybe just not the same?
The picture in the midwayUSA link is "similar" to the product, so I cannot compare.
Is LE Wilson no longer making the type you have, or is their web site description maybe just not the same?
kindabitey,
So that is the same thing as the "chamber type?"
I use the LE Wilson Chamber Micrometer Seating Dies for all my calibers now. They are just plain awesome. Remember, these are for an arbor press. Here you go. Just select your caliber from the list
L.E. Wilson SS Chamber Type Micrometer Seater Die 6mm BR (Bench Rest)
The L.E. Wilson Stainless Steel Chamber Type Micrometer Seater Die features a micrometer seater. Precision adjustment in .001" increments of...
I also have their VLD 6mm stem installed in my 6BR die for seating these 106 Atips
L.E. Wilson Chamber Type Seater Die VLD Bullet Seating Stem 243 Cal,
L.E. Wilson has been making precision reloading tools for over 80 years. Chamber Type Seater Dies are noted for precise accuracy. Both the bullet and...
Yes, its the exact same thing. Just different wording. I just order from Midway or other places because they tend to be $40-$50 cheaper..
Ultimate Reloader calls it a chamber type seater, too, see starting at 2:55. There are some really good views of the die for comparison to see if I can figure out which one.
It may be that LE Wilson just does not call the micrometer one that.
If all else fails I can LE Wilson call and see if I can get somebody on the phone who knows.
It may be that LE Wilson just does not call the micrometer one that.
If all else fails I can LE Wilson call and see if I can get somebody on the phone who knows.
Says in stock here
shop.ampannealing.com
LE Wilson Stainless Steel Micrometer Seating Dies
Buy LE Wilson Stainless Steel Micrometer Seating Dies online now. Buy LE Wilson Stainless Steel Micrometer Seating Dies - AMP Annealing - Products.
shop.ampannealing.com @Malum Prohibitum inline seating dies are great, but they’re also kind of slow and one needs an arbor press too.
Another way of getting the same seating consistency is to just use a small press (so you get better feel and it’s not so brutish).
I bought one of these a few years back for $100, originally just for seating bullets… but I’ve ended up using it for everything and do all my precision ammo on it, turns out it’s great for all/any of it, it’s just a great single-stage press:
www.midsouthshooterssupply.com
Another way of getting the same seating consistency is to just use a small press (so you get better feel and it’s not so brutish).
I bought one of these a few years back for $100, originally just for seating bullets… but I’ve ended up using it for everything and do all my precision ammo on it, turns out it’s great for all/any of it, it’s just a great single-stage press:
Lyman Brass Smith Ideal Press | Lyman Reloading Press
Midsouth Shooters now offers the Lyman Brass Smith Ideal C-Frame Press. Make changing shell holders a breeze with this ambidextrous reloading press!
www.midsouthshooterssupply.com Back on topic...
For the price, it's hard to resist going bananas on these when, even if one has to cull 1/3 of them, they're still kind of a good deal compared to what A-tips usually go for.
I'm sort of a rare bird around here in that I hate paying $0.50+ for the top-shelf bullets. I don't think it matters as much as some guys make it seem (at least from what I've seen at my local club that only goes out to 1250 yards).
Personally I feel like it's more about the indian than the arrow (as they say) and having enough of the same "ingredients" around to have a repeatable "recipe". So I'd rather have a shitload of Match Burners all from the same lot, so I can shoot the same thing for a long time in order to work on getting better at shooting (instead of reloading), over hunting down a couple/few hundred Berger Hybrids here and there like some guys do (especially for what they cost).
Most of the time I miss because I suck at shooting, not because of what bullet I'm using, but I guess having the latest-greatest bullet tech can't hurt. So I hope these keep popping up now and then for us cheap fuckers lol.
For the price, it's hard to resist going bananas on these when, even if one has to cull 1/3 of them, they're still kind of a good deal compared to what A-tips usually go for.
I'm sort of a rare bird around here in that I hate paying $0.50+ for the top-shelf bullets. I don't think it matters as much as some guys make it seem (at least from what I've seen at my local club that only goes out to 1250 yards).
Personally I feel like it's more about the indian than the arrow (as they say) and having enough of the same "ingredients" around to have a repeatable "recipe". So I'd rather have a shitload of Match Burners all from the same lot, so I can shoot the same thing for a long time in order to work on getting better at shooting (instead of reloading), over hunting down a couple/few hundred Berger Hybrids here and there like some guys do (especially for what they cost).
Bought 2000 - thanks. Worst case burn them in 6ARC gas gun or use for bolt gun practice.
Wow, I hope that's not what I will have to do!
Earlier in the thread guys were finding them consistent and shooting them with great precision.
Wow, I hope that's not what I will have to do!
Earlier in the thread guys were finding them consistent and shooting them with great precision.
There's always the chance of getting screwed whenever buying "seconds" of anything.
That said, I'm sure Hornady (and other companies) are well aware by now that if they let anything too terrible get out of the factory... their asses will get lit up by gun nerds on forums such as this one. They don't want that.
The ones the others and I got last time were pretty dang good, so I'm not too worried. They won't be perfect, but that's ok.
I think mine are showing up tomorrow... I'll report back on how they look.
God my wallet hates y'all. Reading this thread with my better half reading the thread over my shoulder. You can get 100 to try she says... lets add another zero on there lol
I ordered 2000 - wife said "should I get more?". So I bought 2000 more. I will run through 6 ARC gas gun worst case or some short range PRS like events in my Dasher.
Too late to go back and grab 1000 or 2000 more . . .
Good thing my barrel is a 7.5 twist . . .
First random 10 out of one of the boxes (forgot to measure base-to-ogive before I threw them back, sorry):
So, my order from MS came in today. I randomly pulled 10, and pulled 10 from the PV order. Not really scientific but for me, a decent comparison.
The PV order for the 10 was +/- .006 on length (bro) and +/- .1 gr in weight.
The 10 from MS were exactly same length and +/- .04 gr in weight.
I will add the PV lot was roughly .010 longer than the MS lot.
All in all, the seem pretty consistent. It’d be nice if they made these on a regular basis. Next time they pop up I’ll get enough for a complete barrel life.
The PV order for the 10 was +/- .006 on length (bro) and +/- .1 gr in weight.
The 10 from MS were exactly same length and +/- .04 gr in weight.
I will add the PV lot was roughly .010 longer than the MS lot.
All in all, the seem pretty consistent. It’d be nice if they made these on a regular basis. Next time they pop up I’ll get enough for a complete barrel life.
I could just kick myself for not ordering on Tuesday night while in stock. Decided to wait on CK1 to receive his order and report back. Of course Wednesday morning MS was out of stock.
I know it's a long shot so don't laugh, but any of you that ordered and or have MANY in stock be willing to part with a box so I can test in my rifle? At least that way I would know what to do next time these become available. I can Venmo to make life easy.
Jeff
I know it's a long shot so don't laugh, but any of you that ordered and or have MANY in stock be willing to part with a box so I can test in my rifle? At least that way I would know what to do next time these become available. I can Venmo to make life easy.
Jeff
Well, got my boxes today - plain jane brown cardboard and clearly labeled seconds. Visual looks good at first pass, no messed up tips or off colour jackets or anything. I randomly pulled 15 from two randomly selected boxes just to see how they measured - I'm blown away. My previous box of 110 atip seconds had a much larger spread of lengths and BTO, even within just the same box. These are right there with the custom bullets I had measured previously.
I didn't get stellar accuracy out of my other H seconds, but these already look way more promising. I'm probably going to use them in the next barrel though, so I don't expect to shoot any soon.
I didn't get stellar accuracy out of my other H seconds, but these already look way more promising. I'm probably going to use them in the next barrel though, so I don't expect to shoot any soon.
Odd.
I loaded 300 yesterday and then put on a new barrel today, decided these A-Tips are all this new barrel will see...
These are rounds #4, then 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 (5-shot group) through it today.
I showed up while the range was hot, so I put 3 rounds on a big 6' x 6' plate seeing if I could get it close before the range went cold and I could put up a target.
After putting a target up I sent 1 round into the top dot to see how close I was to having it zeroed... I stopped, looked at it, and decided it was close enough to where before adjusting anything I should send another, then another, then another, etc.
I'm kind of shocked. I wish I'd bought more.
They look good downrange too.
These are rounds #4, then 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 (5-shot group) through it today.
I showed up while the range was hot, so I put 3 rounds on a big 6' x 6' plate seeing if I could get it close before the range went cold and I could put up a target.
After putting a target up I sent 1 round into the top dot to see how close I was to having it zeroed... I stopped, looked at it, and decided it was close enough to where before adjusting anything I should send another, then another, then another, etc.
I'm kind of shocked. I wish I'd bought more.
They look good downrange too.
Load data and jump?
Alpha case ("Gay Tiger" headstamp), trim length 1.710", CCI450, 33gn Shooters World Precision Rifle, 1.965" BTO (jumping ~.010" I think, I haven't measured the distance to the lands yet, and not sure I care anymore lol).
I generally don't even think about MV/SD/ES numbers until after ~150 rounds down the pipe, but FWIW, I couldn't resist putting 3 rounds over a buddy's Xero (somewhere between rounds ~#30-60) and the MV was 2844/2849/2851fps, SD 5.8.
It's still speeding up, but ~2850fps is right where I'd like to be.
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What's your barrel length on the 6GT? Seems slow.
I'm 2872 with these, 30.2gr Varget out of my 28" Bartlein 6BR.
His speed is right where I'm running my 6GT. In a 26" barrel.
26" SS Proof (7.5T).
Shooters World Precision Rifle (SWPR, aka Lovex SO62) is kind of slow as compared to Varget IME... though, it's about as close as one can get. The load data is almost interchangeable between the two, though the SWPR is generally a little slower and shows pressure sooner than Varget. IME it takes a couple/few more grains of SWPR to hit the same MV one is used to with Varget (SWPR can be arguably better if one is looking for a little more case fill vs speed).
6gt with 105-107 shoots well at 2850 and 2950, he's in the lower node. Nothing wrong with that! I recently switched the womans rifle from N150 to varget and dropped to the mid 2800 node with 109s. Es/SD are much better with varg. 300y paper groups are about the same, 1/3 moa, but the N150 load had horrible ES, varget is much better. N150 doesn't like low case fill I'm finding in the 6gt and 22gt cases.
I see they have shown back up at powder valley. They sure aren’t priced like seconds though. Might as well just call them a-tips and publish specs at this price.
www.powdervalley.com
Factory Seconds Bullets 0.243 (243 Caliber, 6mm) 106 Grain Metal Tipped Box of 100
Product image is a generic representation of a similar bullet
www.powdervalley.com PV can keep them at that price!I see they have shown back up at powder valley. They sure aren’t priced like seconds though. Might as well just call them a-tips and publish specs at this price.
Factory Seconds Bullets 0.243 (243 Caliber, 6mm) 106 Grain Metal Tipped Box of 100
Product image is a generic representation of a similar bullet
Demand was too high last time and they sold too fast, better bump that price up! You guys shouldn't have let the cat out of the bag! 
I mean this is kinda what has driven prices of powder to near double in 5 years, primers too. Brass and bullets only up 30-40% but this whole game has gotten a LOT more expensive on the hand loading side since the Chyna vyrus plandemic.Demand was too high last time and they sold too fast, better bump that price up! You guys shouldn't have let the cat out of the bag!
Powder Valley was feeling bold when they priced those.
They crazy. Likely will sell very few here at this price. Which is what the greedy fucks deserve.Ya sign me up for hornady 2nds priced 20% higher than Berger’s
Hornady 110 A-Tips, not seconds, $73.99 at EuroOptic, but not in stock, so . . .
“Seconds”… but not $84. Not $24 either..
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