I just measured a Savage at 3.45 o.a.l. But I just saw a Weatherby vanguard brand new for $390 and I kinda liked it. was thinking of doing a 280 Ack for the 180's Already have a hart#5 on the way in 1-8 but can't make up my mind on receivers. Made a dummy the other day with a berger in a nosler 280 ack brass and it really looks closer to 3.5 would do it nicer without cutting into the case volume. So are the mags for the weatherby's vanguard the same?