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Sidearms & Scatterguns I'll probably get jumped on this, but....

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Tom Ohlsen

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#1
I'm gonna ask anyway. Where the hell does one start with getting a holster for CC? How does one know what your gonna like? Cross draw,middle of the back, paddle holster, dominant side, Kydek, leather, etc.

My future son-in-law is a county officer and he says he's tried a whole bunch of holsters over the years and the Cross Breed is his favorite, I don't know. To me it's awful big.

I will be carrying a Glock 27 4gen, I like this pistol.

Tom
 
#2
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what i did... before i bought a holster, i tried different positions with just the pistol by itself. Where is it easily accessable, where is it comfortable, with with the clothes you would typically wear, where is it most effectively concealed. once you figure out where you want it, find a holster that comfortably and effectively keeps it there. leather is typically more comfy that kydex.
 
#3
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There's no reason in your post to get jumped.

It's best to carry on one's dominant side, since you asked. Carrying elsewhere either makes for slow draws, difficult retention and/or concealment, or the possibility of injury from a fall onto the weapon that's strategically across either one of your kidneys or your spine. Don't do paddles, they're just begging to be pulled off of your waist.

I prefer horsehide IWB and OWB holsters. They're more expensive, but they wear like iron. If you ask around you might find someone willing to bag up some holsters to let you look and investigate, but it isn't the same as an extended try-out. Like hand tools, they may feel fine at first but be a pain later.

Most people wind up going through a few holsters until they find one that works for them. I don't do Crossbreed holsters. To me they're clunky and insecure. Decide what your budget is and think about where you will carry and under what circumstances.
 
#4
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+1 on leather. i like strong side, forward cant, OWB between kidney and 90 degree side. Kramer makes a great scabbard holster. Tauris leather is also really nice. You should also pay special attention to the belt as it is just as important as the holster when it comes to comfort and concealment. I use a 1.5 inch double filson. takes a minute to break it in but it will be with you for awhile. I have my first IWB holster on order. not sure how well i will like it. i know there are a ton of folks that prefer it.

Unlike most, i also think the paddle has its place. for quick removal when you cant carry all the time.

just my .02
 
#5
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+1-ish on Kramer. I've had two of their horsehide #3s, one of which required extra holes to fit a 1.5" belt. It was mis-drilled so that the smallest adjustment was at 1.75". Right now I'm using an <span style="text-decoration: underline">original</span> Alessi CQC/S. I don't know that I'd compare it to a Taurus or a Tagua, it isn't in the same ballpark. One outfit that does make reasonable, well-made rigs is FIST, out of the NYC area. Sparks is good, as are Null, Gerrity, Sherrick and others, but you aren't going to pay Galco or Bianchi money for their wares.
 
#6
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find what works for you. for position, material, and style. just like EVERYthing else dealing with firearms, It is (nearly) 100% preference. if you can make an effective CC holster out of newspaper and rubberbands, and it's comfortable enough, and you can draw quickly and efficiently, then you're golden. the most important thing, IMHO, is effective retention, ease of access (for you), and effective concealment. comfort, is important, but secondary. I read on a similar forum, that "concealed carry isn't supposed to be comfortable, it's supposed to be comforting." so... make it work well, and efficiently, while being as comfortable to carry, but i would suggest doing it in that order. again, it's all preference.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OT-Medic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you can make an effective CC holster out of newspaper and rubberbands, and it's comfortable enough, and you can draw quickly and efficiently, then you're golden.</div></div>

This method also requires spit and old bubblegum. <span style="font-style: italic">Trust me.</span>
 
#8
Re: I'll probably get jumped on this, but....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Potterman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm gonna ask anyway. Where the hell does one start with getting a holster for CC? How does one know what your gonna like? Cross draw,middle of the back, paddle holster, dominant side, Kydek, leather, etc.

My future son-in-law is a county officer and he says he's tried a whole bunch of holsters over the years and the Cross Breed is his favorite, I don't know. To me it's awful big.

I will be carrying a Glock 27 4gen, I like this pistol.

Tom </div></div>

ive had quite a few holsters my absolute favorite is my crossbreed supertuck i honestly dont even know its there unless my belt is loose

i got the combat cut option for my hk45c i wouldn't even give any other holster a chance

only downside is the month wait
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@veer what do you feel insecure and clunky? not everyone is created equal for sure but id like test your claim and see if i get the same results
 
#9
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Potterman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm gonna ask anyway. Where the hell does one start with getting a holster for CC? How does one know what your gonna like? Cross draw,middle of the back, paddle holster, dominant side, Kydek, leather, etc.

My future son-in-law is a county officer and he says he's tried a whole bunch of holsters over the years and the Cross Breed is his favorite, I don't know. To me it's awful big.

I will be carrying a Glock 27 4gen, I like this pistol.

Tom </div></div>

I would go dominate side and practice to get used to it, even if cross draw feels more comfortable. Cross draw swings the barrel across a lot non intended targets. Not an issue if you keep your finger off the trigger, but it's something to think about. With dominate side draw, the barrel is kept down and then pulled up straight on target. Also more precise control that way.

I Conceal Carry with a IWB holster dominate side slightly offset to the real more toward the back, and the weapon is canted forward.
 
#11
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Get a cheapo holster and try it out for a week. Youll learn what you like and what you need. Strong side carry for me only. A really good video is Magpuls Art of the Dynamic Handgun. They cover it all and they have a ehole section on concealed. It will help a lot.
 
#12
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Forgive my typos btw sometimes I use an ipad. To further my point about a cheap holster first. I know it sounds like a waste but 20 to 25 bucks for a week vs. 75 to 200 for a nice custom just to figure out it doesnt work for you. When you are ready for a nice holster, I recommend a custom. I dont like iwb holsters but milt sparks are very good. For owb I love mernickle. And for kydex either raven or bladetech. If you must go production Galco is the best I have found but for the money may as well get a much better hand made holster.
 
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#14
Re: I'll probably get jumped on this, but....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OT-Medic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you can make an effective CC holster out of newspaper and rubberbands, and it's comfortable enough, and you can draw quickly and efficiently, then you're golden.</div></div>

This method also requires spit and old bubblegum. <span style="font-style: italic">Trust me.</span> </div></div>


I can't believe I forot the spit and bubblegum! No wonder mine didn't work.
 
#15
Re: I'll probably get jumped on this, but....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OT-Medic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OT-Medic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you can make an effective CC holster out of newspaper and rubberbands, and it's comfortable enough, and you can draw quickly and efficiently, then you're golden.</div></div>

This method also requires spit and old bubblegum. <span style="font-style: italic">Trust me.</span> </div></div>


I can't believe I for<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">g</span></span>ot the spit and bubblegum! No wonder mine didn't work. </div></div>

The devil is always in the details.
 
#16
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Google Tommy Theiss holsters. His holster is almost an exact copy of the Crossbreed Supertuck for considerably less money and considerably less wait. Tommy worked for CB and retired. I have one for my Glock 23 and a CBST for my Kimber Ultra CDP. The only difference in the two is the Theiss holsters don't have the little crosses on them.
 
#18
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Most any big box sporting good store will allow you to bring in your gun, they ensure it's empty and then allow you to go back to the holster area and try different ones. Just ask at the customer service area.

One determination to consider is location. I live in Washington state on the western area where it is wet alot of time. If you go out into the woods alot, you may not want leather due to the moisture. You also want to consider that in WA and WI where you live, you are going to be wearing heavy clothes over your street close. In the winter, an "in the pants" may not be practical. Now, if you live in Florida or some place like that. With the high humidity and tendacy to sweat alot, you may not want a holster that puts the gun right up against your body. A shoulder holster may work better. If you happen to live in Florida and have a boat, you may want Kydex in case you get wet etc ... etc ....

I have Kydex, leather, on the belt, shoulder, in the pants. Different days and different weather some time dictate what style of carry would be most practical.

What others suggest isn't as important as what is the most comfortable and the most practical for you.
 
#21
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I carry a G27 in a Milt Sparks VM2. In fact, I have three VM2's, one for the G27, the G29, and one for a 1006. All three are black horsehide, but the cowhide they say is just as good. I like the siffness though. That 1006 is damn heavy and I mostly got it for giggles, but that G27 wears really nicely.

Just as important, and often overlooked, is the belt. You need a good gun belt if you plan on keep your pants up with a chunk of steel on it. That G27 isn't so bad in the VM2, but the G29 and especially that 1006 can pull your pants down. Some folks like supspenders with the belt.

For each person the style preferred can be different, but a lot of folks swear by Milt Sparks. If you want one this year, you better order it now. It is hard to beat their quality at that price and they stay busy.

Mitch Rosen also makes some good stuff. There are a lot of others, but those two are the ones I'd go to first. Kramer makes good stuff, I don't have one, but I don't think they justify the price. They may be great though, the roughness probably helps keep it up. They are fairly well made too.

They make the Kramers close by and also the Bladetechs. The bladetechs look pretty good for kydex. I have one that I had to jb weld the buttons shut, and I "dremeled it to perfection" to fit a 340PD the way I wanted. It is IWB and probably the most comfortable to carry, but simply because it is so light.

I think the G27, VM2 and that double thick gun belt I had made make about the best rig I've used.
 
#22
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I'm glad that the Miilt Sparks fans came out of hiding. I'm not one to use a single maker's holsters to the exclusion of all others, but MS makes quality products, and I take the idea of having "more than adequate" holsters and belts fairly seriously. As was said above, more or less, the only things that should be moving are cover garments, arms/hands, and pistol. Cheap, flimsy, "scrootchy" gear that detracts from the draw has no place in a serious shooter's inventory. If every breath that you might ever take from this moment on were riding on beating some murderous felon to the punch, would you really want to be lying there bleeding out in the aftermath, your last thought that spending an extra $50 to $100 might have made the difference?
 
#23
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For me, it depends on the time of year. Summer time sucks in my opinion, especially with the Glock 21 I carry. I'm looking for a smaller carry handgun and will likely end up with a Glock 23. I wear a Kaluban Cloak holster outside the waistband with surefire x300 with a loose or longer shirt. I'm 6'5 248lbs and its pretty easy for me to conceal it and still be comfy. I really like these holsters because they ride high and tight to my body. You need to determine if you like a straight drop or canted. For me it's a straight drop.
 
#24
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This is a nice holster for your Glock 27.

I carry a full sized TRP .45 in a www.Purekustomholsters Black ops pro. This guy Rocky builds a nice rig. Check him out online. He's in Arizona but ships everywhere.

The black ops pro is adjustable in so many different ways you wont believe it. Quality professional holster.
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Heres mine.
 
#25
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I like OWB carry. I carry mostly compacts I.E. G19-G23, Compact XD, 4" 1911 Commander size guns.

I really like the Blackhawk Serpa. It offers comfortable, light, weather resistant package with postive retention. It also is a very affordable option.

IWB rigs have advantages. For my clothing type, comfort level, I just dont have a place for IWB.

I would rather give up a little concealment for comfort and access, then have something hidden, uncomfortable.

Dont forget ankle rigs, which have thier place too!

I think the best thing you can do is sit down and really look over all your options in your day to day life, clothing style, and goals and pick something.
 
#26
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If you were using a larger glock like the 23, 17, 19 or 22 I would send you my old Kaluban Cloak to "try out". There's probably someone else here that will do the same for you.
 
#27
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I know myself, like most guys here will cringe when they hear "Uncle Mikes". However, Uncle Mikes and I think Blackhawk are putting some out now. They are just general sized, universal, neoprene like material holsters with a belt clip sewn on. This particular type I am talking about are Inner waistband holsters. They are very, very affordable and will let you know whether or not a IWB rig is something that will work for you. Just a cheap thought.
 
#28
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I know it's similar to the Crossbreed Super Tuck, but I feel the Minotaur MTAC (From Comp-Tac) is a really great holster. It's really well executed and has lots of adjustment ability. Even before being broken in, it's quite a comfortable holster. Afterwards, it's really comfortable and goes exactly where it's supposed to. (conforms to your body shape.) I have mine even farther canted forward and run it pretty deep. Behind the hip. Works great in the sitting position and I hardly notice it while driving. (Of course deploying it from the drivers seat would be difficult.)

Since I've lost a bunch of weight, it didn't retain as well as it did in the past. Mainly when I proned out, it would start slipping. So I just tightened the two screws that adjust trigger guard tension and now it's fine. I'm guessing my extra padding helped with retension.

I've been using mine for 3 years.
 
#30
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On choosing a holster: If you are serious about it and spend any time at it you will inevitably end up with a box full of holsters that you don't use. So, it's not where you end up but where you start that matters. And if you want that box to be a small one, get a Milt Sparks 1H.

BTW - the compact Glocks are difficult to carry compared to the mid-size versions. The balance is all wrong and they don't sit comfortably in a holster, either above or below the belt. If you want to happily carry a Glock, get a 19 or a 23.
 
#31
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 78steeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a nice holster for your Glock 27.

I carry a full sized TRP .45 in a www.Purekustomholsters Black ops pro. This guy Rocky builds a nice rig. Check him out online. He's in Arizona but ships everywhere.

The black ops pro is adjustable in so many different ways you wont believe it. Quality professional holster.
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Heres mine. </div></div>

You should seriously reconsider trusting your life on a gun with an adjustable rear sight. They are fine for competition shooting and the range. They are totally inappropriate for a gun that your life depends on.
 
#32
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You should seriously reconsider trusting your life on a gun with an adjustable rear sight. They are fine for competition shooting and the range. They are totally inappropriate for a gun that your life depends on. </div></div>Even fixed sights are adjustable.
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#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You should seriously reconsider trusting your life on a gun with an adjustable rear sight. They are fine for competition shooting and the range. They are totally inappropriate for a gun that your life depends on. </div></div>Even fixed sights are adjustable.
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They aren't <span style="font-style: italic">as</span> adjustable, unless we're talking blunt force on the order of Acme Co. anvils falling on top of them from a great height. His point is taken.
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">His point is taken.</div></div>Agreed. But assuming a quality adjustable sight, his conclusion has as much to do with the carry environment and expected use of the firearm as it does whether the rear sight is fixed or adjustable. I have carried quality adjustable sights in reasonably harsh environments with no issues - admittedly perhaps due to a lack of anvils.
 
#35
Re: I'll probably get jumped on this, but....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">His point is taken.</div></div>Agreed. But assuming a quality adjustable sight, his conclusion has as much to do with the carry environment and expected use of the firearm as it does whether the rear sight is fixed or adjustable. I have carried quality adjustable sights in reasonably harsh environments with no issues - <span style="font-weight: bold">admittedly perhaps due to a lack of anvils.</span> </div></div>

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#37
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There <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a lighter side to the unending discussion of death-dealing, isn't there?
 
#38
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a lighter side to the unending discussion of death-dealing, isn't there? </div></div>If you are the Roadrunner, and not the Coyote.
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