Neither one of them have ever brought anything to market and it shows. Consumers only. Never produced a thing in their lives. Only take. Never give.
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Ingenuity Powder System
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No, he’s 100% spot on. Evidence is strewn across this platform.
"People like you just come here and act like Karens while this thread has the title like it is offering IP advice or help. That’s what this forum is for."
Pot calling the kettle black syndrome, seek help.
Could you please politely, I don't know, just shut the fuck up and not have this thread locked? Again?
To actually contribute to the initial topic of this thread: I asked Paul about the status and the hold up but I got no answer since. Maybe anyone of you guys could reach out? Even by phone? I know, I know...
To actually contribute to the initial topic of this thread: I asked Paul about the status and the hold up but I got no answer since. Maybe anyone of you guys could reach out? Even by phone? I know, I know...
I had a question couple days ago. I emailed him and responded right away. I thanked him and asked for any updates on thrower. Did not receive a reply back. I didn't ask again. I guess it's ready when it's ready.
Been a while since I've thought about this thing. Figured I'd come back and check to see what progress has been made. Can't say I'm surprised at all to see things essentially right where they were a year (or two) ago. I was super excited about this thing, but at this point, I am a no go. I won't be buying one if (BIG IF...) these start shipping. For obvious reasons, I have zero confidence in any parts/future support from this "company". The absurdity of these continued failed deadlines and a complete lack of communication have turned me from "shut up and take my money" to "no thank you". I hope it's good if it does come out and yall enjoy!
the comments on youtube suggest that the community tide is turning and people are getting fed up with IP
1/4 of the comments are from you though.
Do you guys seriously believe that anyone is interested in if you buy the system when it becomes available or not?
Do whatever, it’s America. Free market capitalism….yeah you commie’s here read right.
Do whatever, it’s America. Free market capitalism….yeah you commie’s here read right.
Actually its 14.285714% 2 out of 14 comments - and yes - I would consider weighing primerslol Nah, 20% max.
Maybe Thesis is involved and conned Paul into going in on connexes of primers with him?
@brianf still too soon brother haha?
@brianf still too soon brother haha?
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Better yet, why has Adam not put the V3 back into prediction? I'm not a smart guy so maybe I'm missing something but IMHO the V3 was the best system Adam produced.
He refuses to accept the v4 was a step backwards and sucks
I have not interest in this product so I have no dog in the race, but Hard to believe it’s the bulk thrower that’s causing severe delays when the v3 seems to be working just fine as a thrower with the Trickler. V3 design being several years old and a proven solution.
So what’s the deal here?
So what’s the deal here?
the only down side I see is that the V3 is a little hassle to adjust the initial throw. It's not that bad just me finding a con. Other than that, I love my V3 with the 419 & IP upgrades combined YMMV
I marked the adjustment screw and count the turns when switching powders, gets me pretty close.
That is one of the main reasons I look forward for the thrower coming out, all this is done electronically and stored is my understanding.
Speaking of V3, I only have found out about the ip trickler just a little over a month until I ran into this thread. I was a little skeptical about upgrading the tricklers as I was already satisfied with how it was as is. I never thought it could get better. I’ve had my V3 when they first came out. Matter of fact, was the first batch of orders. So I recently upgraded the tricklers to ip, and wow, what a difference. Paul also offered me the electronics and draft shields to purchase of course so I went all in.
When everything came in, I was a bit confused on the instruction manual as far as calibration portion. The manual seems to be printed out more for the full IP System. I was getting overthrows way over the intended target for both setups. I knew I that I’ve missed a step. So I email ip about, following day I got a call instead and the person help me with the issue. Apparently I missed the whole calibration portion. It’s in the manual, but like the manual is geared for the full ip setup. So that confused me. Anyways, I got it up and running and it just rips. Btw, I recently got the iOS app running but I assume there’s a fee to pay after the 60 days is up? To label each saved profile alphabetically to the controller, you need the app to type it in. Either that it will be by saved target grain through the controller.
Do you have the iOS or the android version? I wonder cause the iOS version is through TestFlight..
Wait... the internet folks were wrong that Paul isnt selling electronics, shields, etc anymore???!! Man I thought if you heard it on the interwebs it was fact!
Now I don’t want to start anymore confusion here. As I haven’t read through this whole thread. I honestly didn’t know anything about the electronics with the trickler. As I was interested in the ip trickler itself. I didn’t think it was an option. As I’ve only seen pictures of it on ip’s web page together with the full system. Only put my order in for the two tricklers and additional disks (had to get in pairs btw) through the site. Then I got confirmation email for my purchase. Then that same day, I got a email from IP if I wanted to purchase the electronics along with the draft shields too. I really didn’t know what it was. So they had to email me back what it does. So I agreed to it. Obviously I needed two pairs. I guess maybe it’s not posted on IP’s website that it’s not an option to purchase? As to all the confusion? I don’t know. But the system works flawlessly. That’s all I can say..Wait... the internet folks were wrong that Paul isnt selling electronics, shields, etc anymore???!! Man I thought if you heard it on the interwebs it was fact!
Agree 100%….I have a buddy that says he has his V4 dialed which I believe from him but he has a LOT of time invested…I could never get the V4 to throw/trickle good, or just work good in general…the V3 is/was the best system made IMHO.
Paul's been selling all the parts minus the dumper for months now. Like you, I know of people ordering all the parts recently.
I just got the draft shield and an extra powder meter about 10 days ago.
I bought double everything but the unavailable dropper months ago. If I could find a couple V3's I'd probably never care if Paul's dropper ever released. Even so with a cheap Lee dropper I'm not sure if I care. I've been running all Pauls stuff with the Lee dropper and other than just completing the system and being a cleaner set up there likely won't be an appreciable improvement for me if his dropper does ever release. Paul's trickler and electronics are very nice and very good for what I load. predominantly......H1000, Varget and H4350
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Agreed. I’m going to get one of the Area 419 rings as suggested to attach my Lee culver meter directly to the trickler because…why not? I don’t see myself ever investing in an Auto Tricker. So if I ruin the 3D printed part so be it. But as is my powder charging time has dropped by at least half. If not more. Someone said he isn’t selling the individual parts anymore, but if he is, the trickier by itself is a game changer.
How do you folks run the setup with the manual thrower? If I have it run on the auto mode it wants to use the thrower but since it is not connected everything just stops when the non-existant thrower does not throw, no more filling. Do I need to disable the thrower somehow?
Push a button every time is less than convenient.
Push a button every time is less than convenient.
Set my charge weight
Hit start with empty powder cup on scale
Keypad says throw on top corner (pic)
Manual throw about 1.5 grains below target
Put cup on scale
Let trickler finish
Dump into cartridge
Manual dump
Back to scale
Repeat
I never disabled thrower or anything like that. The black plug for the thrower just sits unplugged on the bench Sometimes I have to click the green check if I pulled the cup before light turns green or if it's a larger overthrow. Normally it just trickles after I put the cup back on the scale 1.5 grains below target weight
Make sure your A&D scale settings are correct and it should be a pretty seamless operation.
I didn't change anything from the way Paul sent it to me either.
And I'm not sure if this is what you are talking about, but when I leave the cup on the scale, and I pour the charge in over the top from a second cup it will say "over" even though it's obviously not over. What I figured was that if the charge I pour in over the top is within about 0.2 of the intended charge (give or take) this was happening. If I backed the culver charge off a little more it stopped happening and didn't really change the time to finish by much at all.
I'm guessing this is a setting somewhere, but not sure where. I figured if I got the culver charge as close as possible then it would be quicker but I guess not.
As an aside, what I have been doing is using a second cup to dump the culver charge with one hand (you can see it under the Lee powder measure) and then I pour the finished charge with the IP cup from the other hand, pour the next charge into the IP cup and place it back on the trickler to finish and repeat. While the IP trickler is finishing, I put an upside down bullet not he finished round and dumb the next charge. Goes really quick.
Has anyone gone from the AT V3 + IP trickler with AT electronics to IP electronics? Is there a noticeable difference?
Yes. Although expensive It is well worth the money. Probably 25% faster and 15% less overthrows (I realize it’s very good with the at electronics)
Agreed, expensive upgrade but the reduction in overthrows IMO is worth the cost. Maybe not to everyone, but for those chasing low SDs an ESs, it is worth it to me
The Lee? Good enough. It’s consistently close to the target drop for the trickler to make quick work finishing it off.
I think I was dropping Varget the other night. I had it set to 34.5 I think? It was always writhin a 0.10 or two.
I just wanted something cheap as a stop gap while I waited (…and waited. …and waited) for the IP thrower. And honestly I can’t see spending the money on any of the premium culver style throwers (maybe the Harrels, never used one?). None of them are going to be good enough as stand alone solutions. Might as well get the cheapest one and the best trickler. And actually I think the Lee premium offering is, despite being inexpensive, probably one of the better culver style throwers I’ve tried. I like being able to record the setting on the Lee micrometer in order to set it up quickly for powder changes. It’s easy to read, accurate and repeatable.
So far it’s been the perfect solution. As stated, I’m going to order the Area 419 die ring and glue it to the top as someone else suggested so I can mount the dropper right over the cup.
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Not really. It has this little rubber wiper inside the drum. Really helps to keep stick powders from breaking and binding. You set the tension with the screw know on the right. More or less tension against the rubber wiper depending on the powder. And the fit and finish is much better than the usual Lee stuff. It’s actually very good
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I just got my trickler and scale from Paul last week. Looking forward to ordering a Lee and using this method in the meantime.
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