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Is something going on in Ukraine?

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I do try to think of both sides, usually that’s how you can actually figure something out.

Buy Russia is different than everyone else. They are stuck in 1965.

China has the same “ideals” but they want to conquer the world, I think Putin knows he’s economy limited so he has smaller goals.

And the smaller goals should be a blitz like they tried and screwed up.

Could be 100% wrong though
I'll just toss this into this discussion:

There are hundreds of countries and communities stuck in 1965. Look at the advancements in America since 1965... Are we any better off ?
 
I'll just toss this into this discussion:

There are hundreds of countries and communities stuck in 1965. Look at the advancements in America since 1965... Are we any better off ?
actually thats the embarrassing part for humans in general

we are a quasi shit show...and other countries make us look like utopia
 
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i agree on all fronts which is why its confusing

if china is supporting in some capacity on specific weapons, there would be leaked photos on CNN of rail cars crossing the boarder.

no matter who what govt/wants to hide that one, the pics would get out

more countries have eyes on that region than just the US ...cant hide 50 tanks on 50 rail cars moving several hundred miles every few days

as for the airpower im not even suggesting the close air support where the training and fear of losing assets comes in ...thats childs play for close AA/Stingers

we know one weapon the russians have figured out is air launched long range ATG / cruise missiles with some degree of accuracy

that was their defense against nato, huge formations of tanks and cruise missiles as area denial

most if not all of the bomber force is geared toward ATG missiles and not conventional bombs/laser guided

they have shot a few but there is no reason that bear and blackjack bombers are not flying 100 miles back from the boarder where its totally safe and launching sorties of ATM munitions.

ukraine is 800 by 400 miles or something like that, the entire country is in range of medium range weapons...the entire countries infrastructure should be decimated by now yet the military and government facilities in the center and west are relatively unharmed in a sense.

either the russians launch their cruise missiles, light up the radars and follow up with anti- radiation weapons or the cruise missiles hit their target...weve done that 10 times so far
Your analysis means there is something else going on that we are not aware of. When nothing makes sense, then there is more to the story that we don’t know yet.
 
Interesting talk about situation in Mariupol:


IMO the Russians understated the number of prisoners. Because very few of the Azovites will ever see the light of day again. Russia might be stating the number of prisoners that they might exchange, not the ones who will be shot and tossed in a ditch, a' la Katyn.
 
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As for China supplying Russia? The only thing Russia would want/need from china are attack drones, they are not going to run out of gear, ammo or supplies any time soon. The biggest issue is manpower they can only have the 250k or so troops in Ukraine for so long befre they might need to add conscripts to the mix, Ukraine, on the other hand, is already past that so fields 3+x as many soldiers and US taxpayer check bock is limitless at present, so same problem only question is how many KIA they can afford, supplies will not run out , Brandon will drop another 50billlon $ next month if they need it for 10%, its the bodies that will run out first.

Ukraine needing arms is somewhat of an irony, Ukraine at one point had 4th largest arsenal in the world but being the world's no.1 arms bazaar they sold everything off that could be sold even after the war started in 2014

There were/are supposedly 2500 ish folks in Azovstal from reportedly 15k originally in defense of Mariupol . So far only ones they are talking about exchanging are the seriously wounded -> amputees. For others i think trials ,gulag and some might probably face a firing squad (at least those they identified shooting Russian POWs in some videos)

Northkorean MSM reporting:oops:
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these days they would write 'combat mission over troops evacuated'.
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At this stage is artillery war. Thousands of MANPADS have greatly reduced attack helicopter effectiveness keeping them at stand off ranges. The main CAS are now old SU25 and Su24 which were about to be retired prior to this war. As the attack runs are low level and high speed their exposure to MANPADS is short hence few if any losses in past weeks . Still active S300 here and there prevent free roaming above manpad altitudes.

So 80's style low level unguided rocket runs. Note the paint chipping on the canopy cable channel , in any case must hell running a gauntlet of all those MANPADS daily



 
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As for China supplying Russia? The only thing Russia would want/need from china are attack drones, they are not going to run out of gear, ammo or supplies any time soon. The biggest issue is manpower they can only have the 250k or so troops in Ukraine for so long befre they might need to add conscripts to the mix, Ukraine, on the other hand, is already past that so fields 3+x as many soldiers and US taxpayer check bock is limitless at present, so same problem only question is how many KIA they can afford, supplies will not run out , Brandon will drop another 50billlon $ next month if they need it for 10%, its the bodies that will run out first.

Ukraine needing arms is somewhat of an irony, Ukraine at one point had 4th largest arsenal in the world but being the world's no.1 arms bazaar they sold everything off that could be sold even after the war started in 2014

There were/are supposedly 2500 ish folks in Azovstal from reportedly 15k originally in defense of Mariupol . So far only ones they are talking about exchanging are the seriously wounded -> amputees. For others i think trials ,gulag and some might probably face a firing squad (at least those they identified shooting Russian POWs in some videos)

At this stage is artillery war. Thousands of MANPADS have greatly reduced attack helicopter effectiveness keeping them at stand off ranges. The main CAS are now old SU25 and Su24 which were about to be retired prior to this war. As the attack runs are low level and high speed their exposure to MANPADS is short hence few if any losses in past weeks . Still active S300 here and there prevent free roaming above manpad altitudes.

So 80's style low level unguided rocket runs. Note the paint chipping on the canopy cable channel , in any case must hell running a gauntlet of all those MANPADS daily




it's funny how people see one or two videos of a stinger taking out a helicopter, and assume that they are some kind of wonder weapons that can't miss. Having fired them myself, and knowing the low hit probability even in training simulations against fast moving fixed wing aircraft, I bet the stingers are crisscrossing through the air like volleys of arrows, all over Ukraine. $$$$$$$$$$$
 
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surrender = "ended combat mission" if you are a democrat idiot or nazi.

 
Brown University is a radical leftist institution. I wouldn't watch that propaganda video if you paid me. Read how these “higher level” scholars view January 6th. No wonder you are a lost puppy on this topic.
and the council on foreign relations is even worse. warnings from 4 years ago:
 
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As for China supplying Russia? The only thing Russia would want/need from china are attack drones, they are not going to run out of gear, ammo or supplies any time soon. The biggest issue is manpower they can only have the 250k or so troops in Ukraine for so long befre they might need to add conscripts to the mix, Ukraine, on the other hand, is already past that so fields 3+x as many soldiers and US taxpayer check bock is limitless at present, so same problem only question is how many KIA they can afford, supplies will not run out , Brandon will drop another 50billlon $ next month if they need it for 10%, its the bodies that will run out first.

Ukraine needing arms is somewhat of an irony, Ukraine at one point had 4th largest arsenal in the world but being the world's no.1 arms bazaar they sold everything off that could be sold even after the war started in 2014

There were/are supposedly 2500 ish folks in Azovstal from reportedly 15k originally in defense of Mariupol . So far only ones they are talking about exchanging are the seriously wounded -> amputees. For others i think trials ,gulag and some might probably face a firing squad (at least those they identified shooting Russian POWs in some videos)

At this stage is artillery war. Thousands of MANPADS have greatly reduced attack helicopter effectiveness keeping them at stand off ranges. The main CAS are now old SU25 and Su24 which were about to be retired prior to this war. As the attack runs are low level and high speed their exposure to MANPADS is short hence few if any losses in past weeks . Still active S300 here and there prevent free roaming above manpad altitudes.

So 80's style low level unguided rocket runs. Note the paint chipping on the canopy cable channel , in any case must hell running a gauntlet of all those MANPADS daily




Small things like truck tires. China is by far the leading producer of heavy duty truck tires and rubber is not a resource Russia has a lot of.

Much of China’s military is built off soviet designs. As China produces Licensed and unlicensed copies the idea of them supplying equipment and parts is definitely not out of question, IMO.

Given Chinese views of NATO expansion, I don’t think them backing the Russians is a stretch.
 
Small things like truck tires. China is by far the leading producer of heavy duty truck tires and rubber is not a resource Russia has a lot of.

Much of China’s military is built off soviet designs. As China produces Licensed and unlicensed copies the idea of them supplying equipment and parts is definitely not out of question, IMO.

Given Chinese views of NATO expansion, I don’t think them backing the Russians is a stretch.
"Small things"... Finally, someone has brought up this point. "Small things" fit into many topics that are being discussed here on the Hide....
This will play out in the end.
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Brown University is a radical leftist institution. I wouldn't watch that propaganda video if you paid me. Read how these “higher level” scholars view January 6th. No wonder you are a lost puppy on this topic.
LOLOLOL

Perhaps you are correct. Perhaps there is no value in hearing what a foreign service officer who actually served in Moscow has to say on the current situation or hearing from someone who was the worked at Office of the Undersecretary of Defense Policy. You are certainly free to keep your inputs to people who agree with your viewpoints.

Personally, I do appreciate understanding what they have to say on the subject. Especially since this gentleman had a hand in shaping U.S. Russian policy at the administrative level in the early 2000's. His viewpoints provide illumination on the current situation even if you don't agree with him.
 
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LOLOLOL

Perhaps you are correct. Perhaps there is no value in hearing what a foreign service officer who actually served in Moscow has to say on the current situation or hearing from someone who was the worked at Office of the Undersecretary of Defense Policy. You are certainly free to keep your inputs to people who agree with your viewpoints.

Personally, I do appreciate understanding what they have to say on the subject. Especially since this gentleman had a hand in shaping U.S. Russian policy at the administrative level in the early 2000's. His viewpoints provide illumination on the current situation even if you don't agree with him.
I value nothing a government man has to say on any subject. There isn’t a man with a government job that I even remotely respect regardless of his politics. They are the problem.

The source you posted is a propaganda/brainwashing institution. Nothing more.
 
I value nothing a government man has to say on any subject. There isn’t a man with a government job that I even remotely respect regardless of his politics. They are the problem.

The source you posted is a propaganda/brainwashing institution. Nothing more.
but but but...muh guvment would never lie to me and its minions would NEVER do anything to sway public opinion
 
Earlier someone mentioned analyzing things in a more "academic sense." So let's have at it.

It's interesting how from the very start, Democrats were ardently pro-communist. Wilson described Lenin and the Bolsheviks as more "democratic" than the Germans or even the British Empire. FDR described Stalin as "a fine Christian gentleman" and shamed any religious opposition to Stalin in the US while he was supplying the Red Army with the munitions and the means to burn their way through Eastern Europe.
Of course the Communists were mass murdering, inhuman monsters who did nothing by the will of the people. They told the people what to believe and shot dissenters.

Now, ironically since 1991 when the communists were overthrown in Russia, the same democrat party has developed a "moral aversion" to Russia's actual democracy.

With Democrats, up is down and left is right. It's an incurable philosophical perversion.

Democrats discounted the dangers of Marxist ideology because their own ideology mirrors it. Marxism and progressivist liberalism share a genealogy—not simply socialism, but necessarily autocracy "to shepherd the masses" and (of course) the central idea of a ‘redemptive revolution' to sell the proletariat on. And not only the chimera of a false utopian egalitarian society, but also an underlying commitment to the Hegelian-Leftism that has turned Western Civilization into the poisoned, corrupted Tower of Babel which we see today.

Russia is by no means the enlightened paragon of government that the United States once was (at the beginning). It is a corrupt, post-modern ....but still democratic.... state.

But rather than taking all that in objectively, shall we just repeat what the progressive democrats, neocon Jacobins, and their mouthpiece propaganda sources tried to convince us of for the last 100 years - Marx-Leninist-Trotskyist-Stalinism is good.......... but conservative, democratic Russia is bad!
 
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I posted this in Portajohn but too important not to share here:

This is why Rand Paul wanted oversight and Marjorie Taylor Green said this Bill represent the corruption in Congress and why things won't get better. I mentioned what I thought about the Ukraine bill and how much the State department would be paid; please pay attention to the following:

500 M for European Banking for "Reconstruction and Development" (that's the new Digital Banking system the WEF was just talking about that is SO necessary to manage (take) everyone's money. (Note: European Bank, not Ukraine, and Ukraine isn't in the EU last I heard)
How about $400M for International Narcotic Control while we have 100K OD's from Fentanyl through our open border? Is that to make sure Hunter has a lifetime supply of clean crack? 400M is a lot of crack.
350 M for State Department "Migration and Refugee Assistance" (they do not have to use it on Ukraine, they can use it on, you know who coming from the southern border)
190 M for State Department's "Diplomatic Programs" (that's the Money Laundromat) plus 17M for US Agency for "International Development"
150M for Global Agricultural and Food Security Program when WE HERE IN THE US will face a food shortage, and already have starving babies?
54M for CDC to pay back for the destroyed bioweapons labs or set up new ones
67M for our Justice Department? Why does DOJ have to do with Ukraine? Oh, make sure we can launder unhindered here, OK
17M for State Departments "Capital Investment Program" - I'm 100% sure no corruption in that one
110M for embassy and security. Hmm. For ambassador, or ...more Laundromat money. Benghazi?

 
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I posted this in Portajohn but too important not to share here:

This is why Rand Paul wanted oversight and Marjorie Taylor Green said this Bill represent the corruption in Congress and why things won't get better. I mentioned what I thought about the Ukraine bill and how much the State department would be paid; please pay attention to the following:

500 M for European Banking for "Reconstruction and Development" (that's the new Digital Banking system the WEF was just talking about that is SO necessary to manage (take) everyone's money. (Note: European Bank, not Ukraine, and Ukraine isn't in the EU last I heard)
How about $400M for International Narcotic Control while we have 100K OD's from Fentanyl through our open border? Is that to make sure Hunter has a lifetime supply of clean crack? 400M is a lot of crack.
350 M for State Department "Migration and Refugee Assistance" (they do not have to use it on Ukraine, they can use it on, you know who coming from the southern border)
190 M for State Department's "Diplomatic Programs" (that's the Money Laundromat) plus 17M for US Agency for "International Development"
150M for Global Agricultural and Food Security Program when WE HERE IN THE US will face a food shortage, and already have starving babies?
54M for CDC to pay back for the destroyed bioweapons labs or set up new ones
67M for our Justice Department? Why does DOJ have to do with Ukraine? Oh, make sure we can launder unhindered here, OK
17M for State Departments "Capital Investment Program" - I'm 100% sure no corruption in that one
110M for embassy and security. Hmm. For ambassador, or ...more Laundromat money. Benghazi?


Cash cow for Soros, who has fifteen of his NGO's in Ukraine. Wonder how much comes to him, Joe, and the WEF?
 
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