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Most of this cash like 'Afghan' cash before it ultimately ends up inside Virginia state lines ,Ukraine is just the latest laundromat

*so far 1800+ POWs from Azovstal , couple hundred more expected to walk out in coming days
 
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I posted this in Portajohn but too important not to share here:

This is why Rand Paul wanted oversight and Marjorie Taylor Green said this Bill represent the corruption in Congress and why things won't get better. I mentioned what I thought about the Ukraine bill and how much the State department would be paid; please pay attention to the following:

500 M for European Banking for "Reconstruction and Development" (that's the new Digital Banking system the WEF was just talking about that is SO necessary to manage (take) everyone's money. (Note: European Bank, not Ukraine, and Ukraine isn't in the EU last I heard)
How about $400M for International Narcotic Control while we have 100K OD's from Fentanyl through our open border? Is that to make sure Hunter has a lifetime supply of clean crack? 400M is a lot of crack.
350 M for State Department "Migration and Refugee Assistance" (they do not have to use it on Ukraine, they can use it on, you know who coming from the southern border)
190 M for State Department's "Diplomatic Programs" (that's the Money Laundromat) plus 17M for US Agency for "International Development"
150M for Global Agricultural and Food Security Program when WE HERE IN THE US will face a food shortage, and already have starving babies?
54M for CDC to pay back for the destroyed bioweapons labs or set up new ones
67M for our Justice Department? Why does DOJ have to do with Ukraine? Oh, make sure we can launder unhindered here, OK
17M for State Departments "Capital Investment Program" - I'm 100% sure no corruption in that one
110M for embassy and security. Hmm. For ambassador, or ...more Laundromat money. Benghazi?


Wait so what you’re saying is the Congress that tried to impeach Trump for investigating corruption in Ukraine is corrupt??

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Earlier someone mentioned analyzing things in a more "academic sense." So let's have at it.

It's interesting how from the very start, Democrats were ardently pro-communist. Wilson described Lenin and the Bolsheviks as more "democratic" than the Germans or even the British Empire. FDR described Stalin as "a fine Christian gentleman" and shamed any religious opposition to Stalin in the US while he was supplying the Red Army with the munitions and the means to burn their way through Eastern Europe.
Of course the Communists were mass murdering, inhuman monsters who did nothing by the will of the people. They told the people what to believe and shot dissenters.

Now, ironically since 1991 when the communists were overthrown in Russia, the same democrat party has developed a "moral aversion" to Russia's actual democracy.

With Democrats, up is down and left is right. It's an incurable philosophical perversion.

Democrats discounted the dangers of Marxist ideology because their own ideology mirrors it. Marxism and progressivist liberalism share a genealogy—not simply socialism, but necessarily autocracy "to shepherd the masses" and (of course) the central idea of a ‘redemptive revolution' to sell the proletariat on. And not only the chimera of a false utopian egalitarian society, but also an underlying commitment to the Hegelian-Leftism that has turned Western Civilization into the poisoned, corrupted Tower of Babel which we see today.

Russia is by no means the enlightened paragon of government that the United States once was (at the beginning). It is a corrupt, post-modern ....but still democratic.... state.

But rather than taking all that in objectively, shall we just repeat what the progressive democrats, neocon Jacobins, and their mouthpiece propaganda sources tried to convince us of for the last 100 years - Marx-Leninist-Trotskyist-Stalinism is good.......... but conservative, democratic Russia is bad!
I recently read a headline that actually read there are 15 less democracies in the world. But my first haphazard glance had me thinking it said that there are 15 less Democrats in the world. I was going to throw a party.

Damn it.
 
I may be wrong, but some gut feeling tells me that Russians are using "maskirovka" approach in ukraine, same as in operation "Bagration" (1944)
They just did something like that near Kharkov, according to Russian and ukraine sources, and now ukies are supposetly in big trouble over there.

 
Everyone in support of the US funding Ukraine needs to watch the first 5 minutes of that.
but zelensky is jewish so supposedly nazis are good if they exist in a country led by a jewish dude.
since pedo joe claims to be catholic, nazis here are still bad.
 
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If Putin were smart, he'd of invited western journalists to embed with troops to see for themselves
 
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but zelensky is jewish so supposedly nazis are good if they exist in a country led by a jewish dude.
since pedo joe claims to be catholic, nazis here are still bad.
Nazism is apparently relative, if I understand our government and media lately. If the germans are doing it led by a guy named Hitler, then bad. If the US government is being a bunch of nazis - or better yet if zelensky is - then it's all good.

it seems we are supposed to believe that the true evil of Nazism is it's ethnic origin, while the philosophical or defacto criminal evil is a secondary detail.

in other words, if a German would talk about sterilizing an entire ethnic group, that would be (and is) monstrous, but someone saying the same thing about sterilizing all germans is A-ok. http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml

I can't agree with this. to me, the true evil of nazism is in it's philosophical disregard of human rights......substituting a POC, jewish, or democrat face while still committing Hitlerian crimes does not absolve anything.
 
For American person, especially the one who remembered Russia in 1990s it is sometimes inconceivable to grasp a simple fact that Russia has in many respects a real time situational awareness of not only of the whole battlefield but the whole theater. As recent VSU “counter-attack” in Zaporozhie has shown or, as today released video, Russians know exactly where those much-touted, in reality making no difference whatsoever, US M-777 howitzers are, what they are up to and Russians blow them apart (in Russian). These are just two examples out of very many of SMO being largely not only situationally but tactically aware. All this because Russia was into the game of cutting edge recon and intel much earlier than the US. Recall this? Modern Russian ISR is cutting edge and I spoke at length on the issues of such things as legacy MKRTz Legenda or newest Liana, but those two are just a few tools in the vast arsenal of Russian recon and targeting complex–NO other nation with the exception of the US has anything comparable.
"Please take time to read the rest of Andrei’s analysis.

Just because the Russians are pulling punches to avoid killing civilians and destroying infrastructure key for civilian survival does not mean they are ignoring the threat. For example, Andrei notes that the Russians waited for the towed howitzers to get into position before blowing them up.

I really am shocked that Scott got this so wrong. First, the US and NATO are not sending the most advanced, most sophisticated equipment to Ukraine. The M-777 howitzer, for example, is a good piece of towed artillery (it came into service in 2005). There is the problem–it requires a vehicle to tow it into position. When it is fired it must be towed to a new location to minimize the risk of counter battery fire. America and NATO have more advanced howitzers that are self-propelled. They are not sending those to Ukraine.

The equipment sent to Ukraine is basically surplus that the United States and NATO are not using. I believe in following the money. I think this is just a convenient pretext to get rid of old weapons systems in order to justify new spending on the latest, greatest.

Second, Russia has made and continues to make missile strikes on bases and weapons depots. It is not an occasional strike, it is repeated and regular. Remember Yavoriv?

The Yavoriv military base attack was an attack on the Yavoriv military base that occurred on 13 March 2022 as part of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. The base is located near the city of Yavoriv, Lviv Oblast. According to Ukrainian officials, the military facility was hit by 30 Russian missiles, killing 35 soldiers and injuring 134 others.
This was not a one off attack. The Russians have struck all across Ukraine. I noted in my last piece that Desna, a Ukrainian base, was one of the latest targets. The Russians also hit Lviv, Vinnitsa and Sumy. There is no sign the Russians are running out of missiles, rockets and artillery rounds.

Third, who the hell is going to operate the stuff the west is sending? We are not seeing hordes of Ukrainian young men lining up to join the national defense. Instead, Ukrainian authorities are rounding up middle aged guys forcing them into the army. Many of these “new” recruits are on video complaining that they are nothing more than cattle fodder. Then there is the training component. Teaching a soldier how to operate and maintain a new weapon system is not a one day affair. This further complicates Ukraine’s ability to stay in the fight."


 
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Please take time to read the rest of Andrei’s analysis.

Just because the Russians are pulling punches to avoid killing civilians and destroying infrastructure key for civilian survival does not mean they are ignoring the threat. For example, Andrei notes that the Russians waited for the towed howitzers to get into position before blowing them up.

I really am shocked that Scott got this so wrong. First, the US and NATO are not sending the most advanced, most sophisticated equipment to Ukraine. The M-777 howitzer, for example, is a good piece of towed artillery (it came into service in 2005). There is the problem–it requires a vehicle to tow it into position. When it is fired it must be towed to a new location to minimize the risk of counter battery fire. America and NATO have more advanced howitzers that are self-propelled. They are not sending those to Ukraine.

The equipment sent to Ukraine is basically surplus that the United States and NATO are not using. I believe in following the money. I think this is just a convenient pretext to get rid of old weapons systems in order to justify new spending on the latest, greatest.

Second, Russia has made and continues to make missile strikes on bases and weapons depots. It is not an occasional strike, it is repeated and regular. Remember Yavoriv?


This was not a one off attack. The Russians have struck all across Ukraine. I noted in my last piece that Desna, a Ukrainian base, was one of the latest targets. The Russians also hit Lviv, Vinnitsa and Sumy. There is no sign the Russians are running out of missiles, rockets and artillery rounds.

Third, who the hell is going to operate the stuff the west is sending? We are not seeing hordes of Ukrainian young men lining up to join the national defense. Instead, Ukrainian authorities are rounding up middle aged guys forcing them into the army. Many of these “new” recruits are on video complaining that they are nothing more than cattle fodder. Then there is the training component. Teaching a soldier how to operate and maintain a new weapon system is not a one day affair. This further complicates Ukraine’s ability to stay in the fight.


I'll just be glad when this dumb shit is over either with Putins death or his victory. I really don't care which way it goes.

We have more important shit to work about at home.
 
I'll just be glad when this dumb shit is over either with Putins death or his victory. I really don't care which way it goes.

We have more important shit to work about at home.
You aren’t paying attention if you think either one of those is what this is all about. I think you fell for the covid lies if I’m not mistaken. Do not fall for this.
 
You aren’t paying attention if you think either one of those is what this is all about. I think you fell for the covid lies if I’m not mistaken. Do not fall for this.

You are mistaken, which is typical of your posts. Drivel ridden posts absent of facts or knowledge but saturated with conjecture.
 
You are mistaken, which is typical of your posts. Drivel ridden posts absent of facts or knowledge but saturated with conjecture.
I may have made a mistake thinking you were/are a covid scam believer. It’s why I worded my post as I did. The first part is solid. This ukraine thing is just another transfer of wealth just as covid was. Money and power. Nothing more.
 
I may have made a mistake thinking you were/are a covid scam believer. It’s why I worded my post as I did. The first part is solid. This ukraine thing is just another transfer of wealth just as covid was. Money and power. Nothing more.

That literally describes most geopolitical conflicts, if not all.
 
the death penalty -not exchange- awaits Azov in Donbas. the article has an English translator tool.

 
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I still think something is afoot.

Why haven’t they sent US troops in.

Because they can’t. I think the military told Xiden to pound sand.
 
Third, who the hell is going to operate the stuff the west is sending? We are not seeing hordes of Ukrainian young men lining up to join the national defense. Instead, Ukrainian authorities are rounding up middle aged guys forcing them into the army. Many of these “new” recruits are on video complaining that they are nothing more than cattle fodder. Then there is the training component. Teaching a soldier how to operate and maintain a new weapon system is not a one day affair. This further complicates Ukraine’s ability to stay in the fight.

Yep interesting. As far as operating equipment, at least when it comes to anti ship missiles it looks like a crew came in from France as they probably didn't trust the Ukrainians to do it correctly, or they were weary about lending out such an expensive weapons system. I had read it's probably the French who have been shooting at the Russian ships. So, Ukraine may have to rely more heavily on foreign fighters who are already versed in complex weapons. That opens up a bunch of questions, and this war is more questions than answers, it's shadowed in obscurity and lies.
 

US-supplied howitzers to Ukraine lack accuracy-aiding computers​

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The Pentagon did not deny that the artillery pieces were supplied without the computers but said it had received "positive feedback" from the Ukrainians about the "precise and highly effective" weapons.
If fitted to a howitzer, the digital computer system enables the crew operating the weapon to quickly and accurately pinpoint a target.
 

US-supplied howitzers to Ukraine lack accuracy-aiding computers​

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The Pentagon did not deny that the artillery pieces were supplied without the computers but said it had received "positive feedback" from the Ukrainians about the "precise and highly effective" weapons.
If fitted to a howitzer, the digital computer system enables the crew operating the weapon to quickly and accurately pinpoint a target.
There is no rush.... Don't want to end this war too quickly..... Next one could be even worse.... 10% for the big guy...

I'm just laughing... The American male has it ingrained in his genes to give 100% to a fight and end it quickly... As the winner. We can't get it through our hard heads that the Deep State does not want a quick ending.....
 
There is no rush.... Don't want to end this war too quickly..... Next one could be even worse.... 10% for the big guy...

I'm just laughing... The American male has it ingrained in his genes to give 100% to a fight and end it quickly... As the winner. We can't get it through our hard heads that the Deep State does not want a quick ending.....
If that is in the American DNA than since about December 1950 his leaders have been abusing his natural tendencies.
 
Propaganda ?

Russian Ministry of Defense declares about full control over Azovstal in Mariupol, in total 2439 servicemen surrendered, according to their toll. Russian media now broadcasting video with prominent Ukrainian POWs​



 
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Disinfo Mary Poppins at her previous job getting Zelensky elected.
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Jezus, these fucking spook types are all up in the most shady of spots. Nothing to see here folks, nope... not strange at all. Makes you really wonder WTF is really going on in Ukraine? I think they want regime change in Russia, install a pro west Globalist, and then break Russia up into pieces for resources, just a guess. If I was a fucking insane Globalist, that's exactly what I would do.
 
Jezus, these fucking spook types are all up in the most shady of spots. Nothing to see here folks, nope... not strange at all. Makes you really wonder WTF is really going on in Ukraine? I think they want regime change in Russia, install a pro west Globalist, and then break Russia up into pieces for resources, just a guess. If I was a fucking insane Globalist, that's exactly what I would do.

You know those videos of those guys in Liberia going shithouse, firing AKs from the hip and wearing all the ridiculous stolen shit they have absconded with?

Well this is the same thing except its guys in suits.
 
Doing my bit? Stick to Ukrainan puntang for hire.

Who knew this would be glorified pront page story, MSM working on the image of Ukraine. Soon we will have stories how a registered pedophile adopted a bunch of Ukrainian orphans and really found his calling helping Ukrainians


The Sun writes of Tony Garnett, a security guard at the medical center, who could not resist a 22-year-old refugee from Lviv, whom he invited to live with him for a while. First, he asked his daughter to make room for her bed, and then, behind their backs, he began to 'look after' the refugee. After 10 days of living together, the man left his two daughters and his wife, with whom he lived for 10 years. The lovebird has become a symbol of a spontaneous romantic love story.
“I discovered a connection with Sophia that I have never had before. We plan to spend the rest of our lives together, ”said the enamored Briton.
The fate of a woman whose marriage collapsed because of a Ukrainian refugee was ignored by the journalists of the publication.


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Jezus, these fucking spook types are all up in the most shady of spots. Nothing to see here folks, nope... not strange at all. Makes you really wonder WTF is really going on in Ukraine? I think they want regime change in Russia, install a pro west Globalist, and then break Russia up into pieces for resources, just a guess. If I was a fucking insane Globalist, that's exactly what I would do.

Yeah it's some grand globo-homo conspiracy thing.

Naw it's just rich assholes in the west and rich assholes in russia fighting over a tiny, corrupt country that happens to have large amounts of natural resources in the eastern regions.
 
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Yeah it's some grand globo-homo conspiracy thing.

Naw it's just rich assholes in the west and rich assholes in russia fighting over a tiny, corrupt country that happens to have large amounts of natural resources in the eastern regions.
that's my take. either the west gets to use ukraine to launder money while extracting their percentage of oil and gas revenues..
or they let russians get that money...
and they will spend as much of our taxes as they have to, and kill as many as necessary, to get their share of the loot.
is it a conspiracy though? yes, by definition it is, whatever you want to call it.
 
Jezus, these fucking spook types are all up in the most shady of spots. Nothing to see here folks, nope... not strange at all. Makes you really wonder WTF is really going on in Ukraine? I think they want regime change in Russia, install a pro west Globalist, and then break Russia up into pieces for resources, just a guess. If I was a fucking insane Globalist, that's exactly what I would do.
It’s so obvious that it’s a Glowie state with huge ties to CIA and Israel. The 2014 election is the NWO prop up of the fake Ukrainian administration just as Biden is here.
 
Zelenskey is a dumb ass.

He should have cut a deal with putin for a big cut of graft for hisself and gave him eastern portion of the country.

For a promise to keep him in power.

Half the headaches of pretending to run a country and twice the graft. Problem solved no fighting.

Half his country allready wanted out anyway.
 
Doing my bit? Stick to Ukrainan puntag for hire.

Who knew this would be glorified pront page story, MSM working on the image of Ukraine. Soon we will have stories how a registered pedophile adopted a bunch of Ukrainian orphans and really found his calling helping Ukrainians


The Sun writes of Tony Garnett, a security guard at the medical center, who could not resist a 22-year-old refugee from Lviv, whom he invited to live with him for a while. First, he asked his daughter to make room for her bed, and then, behind their backs, he began to 'look after' the refugee. After 10 days of living together, the man left his two daughters and his wife, with whom he lived for 10 years. The lovebird has become a symbol of a spontaneous romantic love story.
“I discovered a connection with Sophia that I have never had before. We plan to spend the rest of our lives together, ”said the enamored Briton.
The fate of a woman whose marriage collapsed because of a Ukrainian refugee was ignored by the journalists of the publication.


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As long as he supports his kids then good for him. Monogamy is overrated.
 
Zelenskey is a dumb ass.

He should have cut a deal with putin for a big cut of graft for hisself and gave him eastern portion of the country.

For a promise to keep him in power.

Half the headaches of pretending to run a country and twice the graft. Problem solved no fighting.

Half his country allready wanted out anyway.
He was just waiting for that $40B payment (less Biden's kickback).
He'll settle now with Putin.
 

40$billion on top of 13$billion already spent, and 20$billion from G7 countries, considering Ukraine had a GDP of some 150billion pre war , $$$ aid alone its already more than half of Ukrainian GDP and way more than entire Russian military budget
 
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