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Mr.BR said:
The Sniper Mosin Nagants are issued in Ukraine by the Donbas militias to their conscripts in the same vein as Ukraine is issuing Maxim machine guns.

But yes Russia is ultimately much too small of an economy to afford all the shiny toys or be a mayor world power.
The aid provided in past 4 months to ukraine already surpasses (once you add European $$ to US 53Billion$) the Russian cca 60billion $ defense budget ( about the size of CIA's budget) and that covers everything from Nuclear deterrent to ground forces. In the past they actually spent mostly on Nuclear deterrent(+subs) and AD.

Add to that endemic corruption that further limits the effective use of rather limited funds.
ROSTEC , head honcho basically a public employee ,owns a 110mio4 jacht (Rostec basically runs all of Russian defense industry in addition to other industries)
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China, on the other hand, is already well past US in PPP (Purchasing power parity what you actually get for your moneys worth, a better indicator than GDP), and far outstripping USSR&Warsaw pact combined in their heyday in all respects, population, GDP ,PPP , manufacturing capacity, market size etc.

I think folks also misunderstand 'authoritarian' systems vs factchecked pretend-a-democratic as inferior in spirit or will to fight, if anything historically that has never really been the case.

Like you said does anyone seriously believe having 20% LGBTIQ++ ratio is an added value in any situation outside a Hollypedowod casting couch.

But yes Chinese are a trading and manufacturing superpower with a historically poor military track record at least since Mongol rule. And i do not see any indication that they would have much interest in war as its bad for their core business.
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Ask O.P. Smith and First Mar Div about Chinese fight.
 
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Forgetful Coyote said:
Shouldve nuked them when Mcarthur wanted to when we had the chance before they had nuclear weapons.
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MacArthur was a fucking idiot who ignored the threat of the chinese and massively overextended his forces. Once the chinese attacked in full (a month after they first attacked, which was basically ignored.), MacArthur must have decided nukes could cover his ineptitude but Truman had enough of his shit and thankfully Matt Ridgway was put in charge and begun killing chinese and holding ground instead of retreating.

pmclaine said:
Ask O.P. Smith and First Mar Div about Chinese fight.
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Good thing the Marines were sort of shielded from MacArther's fuckery by O.P. Smith.
 
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Eostech said:
MacArthur was a fucking idiot who ignored the threat of the chinese and massively overextended his forces. Once the chinese attacked in full (a month after they first attacked, which was basically ignored.), MacArthur must have decided nukes could cover his ineptitude but Truman had enough of his shit and thankfully Matt Ridgway was put in charge and begun killing chinese and holding ground instead of retreating.


Good thing the Marines were sort of shielded from MacArther's fuckery by O.P. Smith.
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OP paid attention to the October surprise.

But Fox 2/5 made his plans possible.
 
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Eostech said:
MacArthur was a fucking idiot who ignored the threat of the chinese and massively overextended his forces. Once the chinese attacked in full (a month after they first attacked, which was basically ignored.), MacArthur must have decided nukes could cover his ineptitude but Truman had enough of his shit and thankfully Matt Ridgway was put in charge and begun killing chinese and holding ground instead of retreating.


Good thing the Marines were sort of shielded from MacArther's fuckery by O.P. Smith.
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No love for "I shall return" Mcarthur from me either. We still should have nuked them.
 
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GreenGO Juan said:
100% on the weak leaders. Obama’s administration is a big part of this Ukraine mess. Biden basically being Obama 2.0... and here we are.
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do you seriously believe that? you think that Biden's "weakness" encouraged russia or some shit, and that he is bumbling toward the total destruction of our economy and culture. That's RINO controlled opposition propaganda talking.

sorry to tell you dude, but the people who run the world aren't bumbling toward anything. For 50 years they've locked down the propaganda in this country and the world until people believe it. They have forcefully accomplished their roadmap to transforming our society into something that totally rejects our Bill of Rights, and which insists on totalitarian socialism as being "better". They are currently transforming our economy by eliminating the purchasing power of the middle class. They are stealing the accumulated national wealth that our ancestors built up, leaving us with nothing but debt.
And they are advancing the NWO against anyone who opposes it, crushing all opposition because anyone who understands the first thing about the one world order mindset - going back to Lenin - knows that there can be no spot remaining that has not fallen into the fold. Tyranny has to be universal or else people can compare their own shitty situation with the better situation existing elsewhere. And they can hope to escape their own prison. If the whole world is a prison, there is no sense of comparison and no hope.

as Orwell said, “The masses never revolt of their own accord, and they never revolt merely because they are oppressed. Indeed, so long as they are not permitted to have standards of comparison, they never even become aware that they are oppressed.”
 
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Darayavaus said:
do you seriously believe that? you think that Biden's "weakness" encouraged russia or some shit, and that he is bumbling toward the total destruction of our economy and culture. That's RINO controlled opposition propaganda talking.

sorry to tell you dude, but the people who run the world aren't bumbling toward anything. For 50 years they've locked down the propaganda in this country and the world until people believe it. They have forcefully accomplished their roadmap to transforming our society into something that totally rejects our Bill of Rights, and which insists on totalitarian socialism as being "better". They are currently transforming our economy by eliminating the purchasing power of the middle class. They are stealing the accumulated national wealth that our ancestors built up, leaving us with nothing but debt.
And they are advancing the NWO against anyone who opposes it, crushing all opposition because anyone who understands the first thing about the one world order mindset - going back to Lenin - knows that there can be no spot remaining that has not fallen into the fold. Tyranny has to be universal or else people can compare their own shitty situation with the better situation existing elsewhere. And they can hope to escape their own prison. If the whole world is a prison, there is no sense of comparison and no hope.
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Seems obvious to some of us but It is not to the vast majority out there. People are not paying attention my man and the majority aren’t intelligent enough to comprehend while many of the rest try and ignore the truth thinking it won’t exist as a result. This is the reason I repeat myself over and over again. It’s the only way to get through to some.
 
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Darayavaus said:
do you seriously believe that? you think that Biden's "weakness" encouraged russia or some shit, and that he is bumbling toward the total destruction of our economy and culture. That's RINO controlled opposition propaganda talking.

sorry to tell you dude, but the people who run the world aren't bumbling toward anything. For 50 years they've locked down the propaganda in this country and the world until people believe it. They have forcefully accomplished their roadmap to transforming our society into something that totally rejects our Bill of Rights, and which insists on totalitarian socialism as being "better". They are currently transforming our economy by eliminating the purchasing power of the middle class. They are stealing the accumulated national wealth that our ancestors built up, leaving us with nothing but debt.
And they are advancing the NWO against anyone who opposes it, crushing all opposition because anyone who understands the first thing about the one world order mindset - going back to Lenin - knows that there can be no spot remaining that has not fallen into the fold. Tyranny has to be universal or else people can compare their own shitty situation with the better situation existing elsewhere. And they can hope to escape their own prison. If the whole world is a prison, there is no sense of comparison and no hope.

as Orwell said, “The masses never revolt of their own accord, and they never revolt merely because they are oppressed. Indeed, so long as they are not permitted to have standards of comparison, they never even become aware that they are oppressed.”
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I think theres some miscommunication going on. Whether through ineptitude, weakness, or by design(more likely), leaders that are being put in charge of America, are outright harming America. That was my point at least. Agreed?
 
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Darayavaus said:
do you seriously believe that? you think that Biden's "weakness" encouraged russia or some shit, and that he is bumbling toward the total destruction of our economy and culture. That's RINO controlled opposition propaganda talking.

sorry to tell you dude, but the people who run the world aren't bumbling toward anything. For 50 years they've locked down the propaganda in this country and the world until people believe it. They have forcefully accomplished their roadmap to transforming our society into something that totally rejects our Bill of Rights, and which insists on totalitarian socialism as being "better". They are currently transforming our economy by eliminating the purchasing power of the middle class. They are stealing the accumulated national wealth that our ancestors built up, leaving us with nothing but debt.
And they are advancing the NWO against anyone who opposes it, crushing all opposition because anyone who understands the first thing about the one world order mindset - going back to Lenin - knows that there can be no spot remaining that has not fallen into the fold. Tyranny has to be universal or else people can compare their own shitty situation with the better situation existing elsewhere. And they can hope to escape their own prison. If the whole world is a prison, there is no sense of comparison and no hope.

as Orwell said, “The masses never revolt of their own accord, and they never revolt merely because they are oppressed. Indeed, so long as they are not permitted to have standards of comparison, they never even become aware that they are oppressed.”
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Yes Obama and Bidens weakness caused this.

Strong leaders would not have provoked Russia like this. Strong leadership would not have coward away from a fight after provoking.

These are the actions of weak men, evil weak men. Cowards.
 
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wade2big said:
Seems obvious to some of us but It is not to the vast majority out there. People are not paying attention my man and the majority aren’t intelligent enough to comprehend while many of the rest try and ignore the truth thinking it won’t exist as a result. This is the reason I repeat myself over and over again. It’s the only way to get through to some.
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Lol... this fucking guy.
 
wade2big said:
Seems obvious to some of us but It is not to the vast majority out there. People are not paying attention my man and the majority aren’t intelligent enough to comprehend while many of the rest try and ignore the truth thinking it won’t exist as a result. This is the reason I repeat myself over and over again. It’s the only way to get through to some.
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Unfortunately it's gone on for a while and is speeding up. While there are always the rare self-thinkers and enlightened people who seek out knowledge on their own (and this site will have a vastly higher percentage of those searchers and dissidents, compared to most other sites), the millennial generation became the full picture of what Orwell warned about. History has been erased on tv, in the schools, and even in the mass of revisionist books which pseudointellectuals write in an attempt to force current PC on past events. So people have been taught sovietesque propaganda instead of reality, and praised when they repeat it back. Because their heads are full of misinformation, they cannot process objective thought. Their intellect has been so warped by the lies and propaganda that they see 24/7, that even when they try to search for an unpopular answer and try to grasp onto alternate thinking, they arrive at warped conclusions.
 
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Explain how this helps us.
Our current regime will print them all of it so they can get thier cut off the top.

And at the moment nobody in the entire United States has enough balls to stop it.
 
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wade2big said:
Remember that no reviewer is shooting the high pressure ammo.


Their special operation in Ukraine against NATO proves otherwise.
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What makes you say that? The steel based ammo is readily available. Garand Thumb chronoed these 150's doing like 2830fps from a 13" barrel. Thats ridiculously hot.. like 24-25" barrel 6.5-284 performance from a 13" SBR.. if it aint 80kpsi then its 79.9:

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The all brass cased is standard pressure yes. And the steel based stuff we get doesnt have the sweet armor piercing pills, and maybe not "quite" hot as mil-spec. But they're far past a max .270-08 load I assure you and theres nothing stopping a handloader from seeing what these babies are capable of(Supposedly up to 105kpsi or so).

Im a much bigger fan of the older SIG(now SAN Swiss Arms) SG 550/551/552/553 series than the MCX but the M5 Spear is legit and while the AP stuff is probably super hard to get, SIG is being way cooler about giving us as close to what .mil is getting than HK ever has been.

"The ball full metal jacket load sports the standard lower pressure brass case, while the 150gr Accubond load uses the stainless/brass hybrid case to accommodate the advertised higher pressures and associated higher fps."
 
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pmclaine said:
The part the media is not reporting is he is saying…..

“Just give us 750 Billions or everyone finds out about the corruption and theft you have laundered through our corrupt piece of shit country!”
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There’s no way Zelenskyy survives if he doesn’t win the war. They’ll get rid of him just like they got rid of Mossad’s top sexual blackmail operator J. Epstein.
The guy knows too much.
 
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st1650 said:
There’s no way Zelenskyy survives if he doesn’t win the war. They’ll get rid of him just like they got rid of Mossad’s top sexual blackmail operator J. Epstein.
The guy knows too much.
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Maybe. I dont think hes in Ukraine. When Ukraine falls to the Rus Zelensky will be in Florida or Switzerland doing his stiletto dance routine.
 
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Im2bent said:
The sooner Russia takes the gloves off and finishes this bullshit the better.
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Wonder what that means? I’m kind of curious if anyone on this thread has any Operational knowledge?

Looks to me like Russia is back to the Cold War doctrine of the slow moving hedgehog with lots of arty. Their best infantry units were decimate in the spring so all they can do is bounce rubble with massed fires. That’s fine in the short term but it fails in the long term as it’s extremely expensive and eventually shit wears out. The Ukraine will counter with long range light infantry raids on key nodes and we see that now. Russia will lose control of its lines of communication.

The Ukraine now owns the Black Sea which takes away sea as a line of communication as well.
 
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pmclaine said:
The part the media is not reporting is he is saying…..

“Just give us 750 Billions or everyone finds out about the corruption and theft you have laundered through our corrupt piece of shit country!”
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Why would they not give Ukraine our money, they are already doing it to stupid in our fucking face levels.

Everybody already knows about the kickbacks. If that bitch Hillary misses one payment it will be over in days for him.

You really didn't think the biden cartell had enough mental capacity to do this on thier own did you.

They need to print a little more money and give me a cut of the shut up bitch fund.

With the inflation on primers and powder seems like morals are going cheap these days.
 
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Meanwhile there are fortunes to be made.

''Greek companies provide the largest tanker fleet for the transportation of Russian oil, - Zelensky

"Russia, with its game with gas, is doing everything to ensure that inflation only unwinds and that Europe experiences the greatest crisis in history this winter. At the same time, at the same time, we see how Greek companies provide almost the largest tanker fleet for transporting Russian oil, while another Russian energy resource is used as a weapon against Europe and against the family budget of every European," the President of Ukraine said in his hysterical speech at the annual government round table of The Economist.


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Mr.BR said:
Meanwhile there are fortunes to be made.

''Greek companies provide the largest tanker fleet for the transportation of Russian oil, - Zelensky

"Russia, with its game with gas, is doing everything to ensure that inflation only unwinds and that Europe experiences the greatest crisis in history this winter. At the same time, at the same time, we see how Greek companies provide almost the largest tanker fleet for transporting Russian oil, while another Russian energy resource is used as a weapon against Europe and against the family budget of every European," the President of Ukraine said in his hysterical speech at the annual government round table of The Economist.


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So true.
 
Hobo Hilton said:
LOL... Oh, the thought of it !
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Reuters: The United States and its allies are calling on international sports federations to suspend Russia and Belarus​


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Wait... Russia cant play sports. But men can compete in women's swimming?

Wtf...

Let them play, and beat them on the field/court/etc.
 
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If you taught you are done paying for Ukraine you have another thing coming, Ukraine scam artists are just starting,, does 750billion $ cover 10% for the big guy.

Ukrainian officials have issued a new price tag for the country's post-war "recovery plan" of $750 billion. The huge sum was advanced at a two-day conference on Ukrainian reconstruction which started Monday in Switzerland.

"Reconstruction of Ukraine is the biggest contribution to the support of global peace," Zelensky said at the summit where Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal identified the $750 billion figure as part of a three-stage plan.

''the areas that need to be rebuilt are now under Russian control. Russia has already committed to rebuilding those areas so where exactly does Zelensky intend to spend that $750 billion ?



As things are not going particularly well , victory is needed ASAP or no more money to launder
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Meanwhile some comedy from Chechens
 
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Mr.BR said:
If you taught you are done paying for Ukraine you have another thing coming, Ukraine scam artists are just starting,, does 750billion $ cover 10% for the big guy.

Ukrainian officials have issued a new price tag for the country's post-war "recovery plan" of $750 billion. The huge sum was advanced at a two-day conference on Ukrainian reconstruction which started Monday in Switzerland.

"Reconstruction of Ukraine is the biggest contribution to the support of global peace," Zelensky said at the summit where Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal identified the $750 billion figure as part of a three-stage plan.

Meanwhile some comedy from Chechens
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Kadyrov is an absolute character.
 
Forgetful Coyote said:
Kadyrov is an absolute character.
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Arhetipical homicidal warlord, and he seems to revel in the whole Ukraine shitshow even came to visit his Akbar snackbars when they were besieging Mariupol. All the TikTok streaming makes it look like he is bored in Chechnya.


This is likely BS , but i wouldn't be too surprised if some band of ''Volodrmyrs Heroes'' tried to cash in while its possible to cash in.

''French and Ukrainian [from Donbas] sources claim that in the hands of the Russian army, and more precisely in the production workshops of the Russian manufacturer Uralvagonzavod, there are two 155mm self-propelled howitzers Caesar, donated by France to Ukraine, as military aid against the Russian invasion on February 24 this year.

. But the same “unidentified” French sources claim, according to a Donbas Insider, that the two Caesar self-propelled howitzers were sold, through an intermediary, by Ukrainians to Russians. The price, which is being discussed in tight circles, is $120,000 each. BulgarianMilitary.com recalls that the unit value of a Caesar self-propelled howitzer varies around the amount of 7 million euros.

This is war, some die, others abandon their positions out of fear, and others profit from the war.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/07/05/ukraine-has-sold-two-french-donated-155mm-caesar-howitzers-to-russia/
 
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Arhetipical homicidal warlord, and he seems to revel in the whole Ukraine shitshow even came to visit his Akbar snackbars when they were besieging Mariupol. All the TikTok streaming makes it look like he is bored in Chechnya.


This is likely BS , but i wouldn't be too surprised if some band of ''Volodrmyrs Heroes'' tried to cash in while its possible to cash in.

''French and Ukrainian [from Donbas] sources claim that in the hands of the Russian army, and more precisely in the production workshops of the Russian manufacturer Uralvagonzavod, there are two 155mm self-propelled howitzers Caesar, donated by France to Ukraine, as military aid against the Russian invasion on February 24 this year.

. But the same “unidentified” French sources claim, according to a Donbas Insider, that the two Caesar self-propelled howitzers were sold, through an intermediary, by Ukrainians to Russians. The price, which is being discussed in tight circles, is $120,000 each. BulgarianMilitary.com recalls that the unit value of a Caesar self-propelled howitzer varies around the amount of 7 million euros.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/07/05/ukraine-has-sold-two-french-donated-155mm-caesar-howitzers-to-russia/
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He seems like a good guy with awesome guns and a love for MMA 🤷‍♂️
 
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