It was just self defense kids!!

[sirhrmechanic]

fair enough. clear enough. i simply don't care what they "endure". Israelis have a "right" to peaceful existence. truth is that has never been their method of action. true for us too since 1770s. that's fine too. it is what it is. just no excuse to spend all the effort and treasure to help them conquer the ME,which is their plan. good on them if they can. good on Putin if he takes all of Ukraine. so what? we can do biz either way. we don't have any need to finance any of it with $s or blood.

Yeah, we don't have a great track record. Though I've always argued that the difference is that America is not out there to be an empire (Teddy Roosevelt aside)... but that we usually end up being the most insufferable global in-your-face do-gooder on the planet. And act like Mrs. Kravitz always knocking on the door over at Samantha and Darron's house when she is trying to stick her nose into whatever is going on at the 'ol Stephens house.

Our hearts are usually in the right place. But we have a historic penchant for trying to impose freedom and Jeffersonian Democracy no matter how many people we have to kill to do it.

Then again, petro-diplomacy, banana diplomacy, etc. isn't exactly benign... so there is that. Though I'd like to think we try...

Sirhr

 

[theLBC]

“most Arab and Jewish groups in the region owe more than half of their DNA to Canaanites”

pretty clear now that they were spreading out and integrated throughout the levant rather than disappearing or dying out.

it is hilarious to see "palestinians" send their shit to 23andme or whatever and the results are 0% "palestinian".

 

[EddieNFL]

“most Arab and Jewish groups in the region owe more than half of their DNA to Canaanites”

Probably because they all came from the seed of Noah.

 

[akmike47]

The correct response to the question of who killed Jesus is "we did" or "I did". Any other answer means you don't understand the problem, and why God sacrificed his only son for us.

Is the Old Testament about "us", or only about Jews? Not coincidence that Jesus was a Jew from the line of David.

I grew up in church, hanging out with preachers constantly outside church hunting and stuff, and I’ve never once heard we killed jesus

 

[Maggot]

Since you are a "Christ Follower" and know so much that you have chosen the side of the Canaanites, one that happens to be diametrically opposed to clear and unambiguous teaching of The Bible, you should read "Innocents Abroad". It's an interesting series of observations in a travelog about the Levant and it's inhabitants by one Samuel Clemens, pen name Mark Twain. If you want an honest assessment of who was there are in what conditions they lived before the arrival of the diaspora there is no better American to turn to for the truth. But, again, all this has been sitting right there in the most prolific book on the planet for a couple of thousand years... Maybe it's all just some massive coincidence. If the Jews had obeyed God they would not have been scattered, but then there would be no "Palestinians" either.

First, you labor under an erroneous assumption, that I have chosen the side of the any group. I havent. I jsut note whats happening and from what I discern its a travesty.

Youre correct, the Jews disobeyed. Repeatedly.

Abraham committing adultery with his wife's handmaid

Jacob, the pretty momma's boy basically screwing his older brother for the blessing.

Golden calves, marrying strange booty.

So in the bottom line, their disobedience is responsible for all or most of this shit.

 

[Edsel]

Surprised to see an Israel / Palestine thread here on Sniper’s Hide.

Was under the impression it was taboo

Even saw some Baaahble quotes

 

[EddieNFL]

I grew up in church, hanging out with preachers constantly outside church hunting and stuff, and I’ve never once heard we killed jesus

Every sinner killed Jesus.

 

[Edsel]

Every sniper killed Jesus.

Eyes seem to be on their way out, too.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Every sinner killed Jesus.

And here I thought it was the Romans!

 

[theLBC]

I grew up in church, hanging out with preachers constantly outside church hunting and stuff, and I’ve never once heard we killed jesus

again, not religious, but he either "died for our sins" or he didn't. too black and white?
these sorts of questions is why i reject the dogma.
if god is all powerful, can he create a mountain even he cannot move?

 

[EddieNFL]

And here I thought it was the Romans!

Most do.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

Didn’t some Jews also come from the canaanites?

YES !!! The fake ones THAT ARE NOT JEWS BUT DO LIE!! they take the Star of Remfan as their sigil. They are the whore of Babylon, the old satanic religion from before the flood.

AKA THE ZIONISTS

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

 

[LMTMWS]

 

[kthomas]

Israel is a profoundly sick society

 

[LeftyJason]

See, this thread is exactly why the argument over the Middle East won't be settled.

Because there is too much rancor, conspiracy theory, propaganda, personal belief... etc. etc. etc...

So one side will just have to kill the other off.

Fortunately, this place is filled with generally reasonable people who will argue tooth and nail, but still be willing to sit down and have a beer at the end of the day and find something in common to laugh about.

Not happening in the ME. So at this point, let them settle it the only way they know how. And we'll buy oil from whoever's left.

Sirhr

As long as root beer is acceptable at the table, sure. There's way more varieties out there than most people think. I've personally had at least 55 different varieties.

 

[akmike47]

As long as root beer is acceptable at the table, sure. There's way more varieties out there than most people think. I've personally had at least 55 different varieties.

This ice cold is the way.

Sometimes I’ll drink one driving for the dirty looks

 

[LeftyJason]

This ice cold is the way.
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Sometimes I’ll drink one driving for the dirty looks

Had that one. Parents in Spring and sister in Richmond.

These are high on my list as well.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

None of that stinking Ruut Beer!



Just kidding… I love root beer!

 

[akmike47]

Had that one. Parents in Spring and sister in Richmond.

These are high on my list as well.
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Virgil’s is okay but I think St Arnold is better and I think I’ve seen Abita here at a store. Ginger beer is nasty I got one to try it thinking “well I like root beer….why the fuck is it spicy?”

Pretty sure it was Cock n Bull cherry ginger beer

 

[akmike47]

None of that stinking Ruut Beer!



Just kidding… I love root beer!

Order some Saint Arnold, they make it at the beer Brewery. Order beer too, I don’t drink it but my girl likes it

 

[Maggot]

YES !!! The fake ones THAT ARE NOT JEWS BUT DO LIE!! they take the Star of Remfan as their sigil. They are the whore of Babylon, the old satanic religion from before the flood.

AKA THE ZIONISTS

The Jews adopted it from The Babylonians, then the Roman (Catholic) Church adopted it from the Jews, and the rest just kind of followed suit. Make no mistake, when you go to a church with paid leaders, youre following the Babylonian way. The original church met in the homes of the believers. The Quakers deviate from that a bit with no paid pastorate, but they've gone libtard.

 

[Maggot]

This one looks like in another life she' be out protesting Sydney Sweeny or hating white men.

 

[Edsel]

How convenient, this just came up.

A quick review of Ukraine and Palestine through some very broad brush strokes.

As usual - Petulant Pucker’s way out of his league…

…but at least he frequently has guests who are top notch.

 

[LeftyJason]

Virgil’s is okay but I think St Arnold is better and I think I’ve seen Abita here at a store. Ginger beer is nasty I got one to try it thinking “well I like root beer….why the fuck is it spicy?”

Pretty sure it was Cock n Bull cherry ginger beer

That one is light on the ginger. I'm not a fan of alot of the strong gingers. I don't go much beyond Schweppes. It is a root beer with ginger not a ginger beer.

 

[akmike47]

That one is light on the ginger. I'm not a fan of alot of the strong gingers. I don't go much beyond Schweppes. It is a root beer with ginger not a ginger beer.

That might be good then

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

. they control most of our gov. their willingness to sacrifice this country for their own benefit is understandable.

The amount of duel citizens in our government is very telling as to their agenda.

why would any American think that is desirable?

Propaganda is a powerful tool. The numbers of people that attended church from birth to adulthood, in the last century plus, sat in an indoctrination period every Sunday. Hitler's actions against the Jews reinforced the propaganda to protect/bless that propaganda.

 

[Edsel]

Propaganda is a powerful tool. The numbers of people that attended church from birth to adulthood in the last century plus sat in an indoctrination period every Sunday.

Jesus smiling at all the people the Colonial Catholics humped through the centuries

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

 

[Fig]

Nobody had to be the bad guy. It’s just what happened.

Yes it was prophetic but it didn’t require betrayal. Judas had free will, Jesus knew what was going to happen.

Wesley vs Calvin. Both right. Free will and predestination. The correct answer is that because we exist in and experience time, exercise and believe in free will, we have it. For a being who exists outside of time all time is now. It’s like looking at your whole life on a panorama, and every moment is predetermined. The Bible raises as many questions we can only touch upon, and gives many answers so simple an illiterate goat herder can understand.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

Wesley vs Calvin. Both right. Free will and predestination. The correct answer is that because we exist in and experience time, exercise and believe in free will, we have it. For a being who exists outside of time all time is now. It’s like looking at your whole life on a panorama, and every moment is predetermined. The Bible raises as many questions we can only touch upon, and gives many answers so simple an illiterate goat herder can understand.

I agree with this assumption.

For now, as it’s the best theory we have so far.

 

[Fig]

If you are a believing Christian (the media calls us Evangelical, because they don’t like the word “belief”) then you have to ask yourself, in all the wars and conflicts in the Old Testament why did God command the Israelites to genocide the Canaanites and related tribes, but no one else?

https://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html

In fact they had to abide by strict rules for anyone else.

I have to tell you, as I look at the Gazans and what they did on Oct 7th it looks exactly like the reasons God gave to wipe them out the first time when the Jews disobeyed and spared them, exactly.

So, as I said, the Jews are still being punished for their disobedience by God. They need to obey and fuck all the feelings. They are an evil death cult under the banner of Islam that even their fellow devil worshipers want nothing to do with. They don’t want to just murder Jews, or they would have done that. They want to torture and mutilate them slowly for the glory of Satan. No sane humans would do what they did. The laughter and glee in it give the game away. What’s your alternate explanation?

Release their own footage of their gleeful orgy of savagery, and you will see what evil incarnate looks and acts like. They would have no support at all if we were allowed to see it. I can barely read what’s in it, and I’ve only seen some of it, and not the really bad stuff.

I’m fucking done. Obey.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Raise your hand if you know an Israeli killed by Hamas in the fighting that ensued after Oct7.

 

[tightInThePants]

Is this true? If it is, they sure as fuck aren't an ally

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Is this true? If it is, they sure as fuck aren't an ally

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They were fighting with these types since before the " war on terror was announced". And then were kinda busy with border skirmishes. and they also held soften up Syria, which was part of that. Getting shelled and rocket attacks for how many decades?

In 1990 when Saddam launch ballistic missiles into Israel. We asked them not to respond, and they didn't.

Stikes on Syrian and Iraqi nuclear programs... Recently softening up Iran, so we could hit their bunkers.

I could keep going on, but some one such are your self, presenting an opinon as such is likely not going to change such a jaded view. The wording of the question you pose is fucking retarded and by no means a way to judge the situation.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Abraham committing adultery with his wife's handmaid

It's not correct to use that term.
First off remember this is back in the time when a man having more than 1 wife was legal both under religious law and civil law (at that time pretty much all civil law was based on religious law anyways). It was also very common and expected.

"Handmaids" were slaves and were the property owned by the wife (generally they were slaves given to them as gifts by their fathers or by their husbands).
As such the children of the slaves were also the wife's property.

Bearing children to carry on the tribe or wealth was of supreme importance and there was also sometimes competition between women.

When a wife couldn't conceive children or when she had gotten to old to have more children, she could choose to give use of her slave's body to her husband for the purposes of getting another child for the clan and as owner of the slave, the wife then had the right to claim the child as hers if she so wished (or reject them if they preferred).

This is what Sarah did.
Then once she had her own kid, well she didn't want the other child having any claim to inheritance or status in the clan and made things so hard for Abraham that Abraham finally went to God and told God the problem and God said there was no way to fix it but to do what the wife wanted and look I'll make a great nation of Ishmael anyways since he's your seed. So they tossed Ishmael and his mother out into the wilderness to starve, but God kept his promises and protected them.

Later on down the lineage, Jacob's wives did the same thing when there was competition for who gave him the most children, they handed over their slaves as breeding partners for extra children.

Old Testament morals were a LOT different than what modern Christians understand.

 

[Maggot]

It's not correct to use that term.
First off remember this is back in the time when a man having more than 1 wife was legal both under religious law and civil law (at that time pretty much all civil law was based on religious law anyways). It was also very common and expected.

"Handmaids" were slaves and were the property owned by the wife (generally they were slaves given to them as gifts by their fathers or by their husbands).
As such the children of the slaves were also the wife's property.

Bearing children to carry on the tribe or wealth was of supreme importance and there was also sometimes competition between women.

When a wife couldn't conceive children or when she had gotten to old to have more children, she could choose to give use of her slave's body to her husband for the purposes of getting another child for the clan and as owner of the slave, the wife then had the right to claim the child as hers if she so wished (or reject them if they preferred).

This is what Sarah did.
Then once she had her own kid, well she didn't want the other child having any claim to inheritance or status in the clan and made things so hard for Abraham that Abraham finally went to God and told God the problem and God said there was no way to fix it but to do what the wife wanted and look I'll make a great nation of Ishmael anyways since he's your seed. So they tossed Ishmael and his mother out into the wilderness to starve, but God kept his promises and protected them.

Later on down the lineage, Jacob's wives did the same thing when there was competition for who gave him the most children, they handed over their slaves as breeding partners for extra children.

Old Testament morals were a LOT different than what modern Christians understand.

I understood it well enough and expected some rebuttal.

The part that interests me is their God had promised 'Abraham and Sarah' a son. They lost faith in the promise, and thus everything else you said. And then Issac's wife Rebekah helped Jacob the pretty boy deceive Issac, and basically steal the blessing. from his brother who actually worked. Deceit, and betrayal seems foundational in that group.

Seems to be big in the world at large as well.

 

[akmike47]

Imagine starting a war(hamas) and getting fucked up this bad then playing victim. The only reason people care is because it’s Israel

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

Origin of the Star of David​

• The symbol did not originate with King David or ancient Israel. There is no archaeological or textual evidencetying the symbol directly to David or Solomon.
• Earliest known uses of the hexagram (six-pointed star):
  • 7th–6th century BCE: Found in Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and Indian artifacts as a geometric or magical symbol.
  • 3rd century CE: Used in a Jewish context on a synagogue in Capernaum, but not exclusively Jewish.
  • Middle Ages: Used as a protective amulet in both Jewish and non-Jewish cultures, often in Kabbalistic (mystical) Jewish writings.
• By the 17th century, it began appearing on synagogues and Jewish tombstones.
• 19th century: Became a unifying symbol of Jewish identity and was later adopted by the Zionist movement in the late 1800s

"Remphan" is likely a Greek transliteration of the Egyptian god Repa or an alternative to Chiun/Kayyun, associated with Saturn.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

If you are a believing Christian (the media calls us Evangelical, because they don’t like the word “belief”) then you have to ask yourself, in all the wars and conflicts in the Old Testament why did God command the Israelites to genocide the Canaanites and related tribes, but no one else?

https://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html

In fact they had to abide by strict rules for anyone else.

I have to tell you, as I look at the Gazans and what they did on Oct 7th it looks exactly like the reasons God gave to wipe them out the first time when the Jews disobeyed and spared them, exactly.

So, as I said, the Jews are still being punished for their disobedience by God. They need to obey and fuck all the feelings. They are an evil death cult under the banner of Islam that even their fellow devil worshipers want nothing to do with. They don’t want to just murder Jews, or they would have done that. They want to torture and mutilate them slowly for the glory of Satan. No sane humans would do what they did. The laughter and glee in it give the game away. What’s your alternate explanation?

Release their own footage of their gleeful orgy of savagery, and you will see what evil incarnate looks and acts like. They would have no support at all if we were allowed to see it. I can barely read what’s in it, and I’ve only seen some of it, and not the really bad stuff.

I’m fucking done. Obey.

Oct 7th was orchestrated by Israel and team net-ann-yahoo.

 

[Maggot]

Oct 7th was orchestrated by Israel and team net-ann-yahoo.

As were the Trade Centers.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I understood it well enough and expected some rebuttal.

The part that interests me is their God had promised 'Abraham and Sarah' a son. They lost faith in the promise, and thus everything else you said. And then Issac's wife Rebekah helped Jacob the pretty boy deceive Issac, and basically steal the blessing. from his brother who actually worked. Deceit, and betrayal seems foundational in that group.

Seems to be big in the world at large as well.

There was also the whole thing about Jacob being tricked into marrying the older sister of the woman he actually wanted to marry.
I'm still not sure how that exactly happened but that's how he wound up with 2 sisters for wives that didn't exactly like each other.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

As were the Trade Centers.

Yes. The Dancing Israelis

 

[W54/XM-388]

Oh and let's not forget Judah being tricked into fathering his own Grandson.

 

[Fig]

Is this true? If it is, they sure as fuck aren't an ally

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George Bush asked them not to participate, as in virtually every Islamic country they teach the children to hate them in school as part of the approved curriculum. Israel's participation in either Iraq and Afghanistan would have been a huge liability and reason to rally people to terrorist banners.

 

[Fig]

I'm done with this thread. Once you assert that everything is a Jewish conspiracy there's nothing else to discuss, because you have secret knowledge and have made up your mind. Every contrary fact presented is part of the conspiracy. There's nothing more to discuss.

Tucker has this impressive former SF Colonel on today who does a worse job of arguing for the Canaanites than the Hamas supporters here. I suspect he punched out as soon as Trump got elected, because he seems shockingly woke and 100% onboard with every Obama Era scheme.

I don't care what high speed unit you've served with, there is always one fly in the ointment who is a diehard leftist. There was a guy I served with, from Boston, who was shocked that everyone didn't love Ted Kennedy as much as he did. He had never voted for anyone but Democrats, and thought we were all crazy for being Republicans. I don't know if he ever changed his mind, but he shut about about The Hero of Chappaquiddick pretty fast.

 

[theLBC]

It's not correct to use that term.
First off remember this is back in the time when a man having more than 1 wife was legal both under religious law and civil law (at that time pretty much all civil law was based on religious law anyways). It was also very common and expected.

"Handmaids" were slaves and were the property owned by the wife (generally they were slaves given to them as gifts by their fathers or by their husbands).
As such the children of the slaves were also the wife's property.

Bearing children to carry on the tribe or wealth was of supreme importance and there was also sometimes competition between women.

When a wife couldn't conceive children or when she had gotten to old to have more children, she could choose to give use of her slave's body to her husband for the purposes of getting another child for the clan and as owner of the slave, the wife then had the right to claim the child as hers if she so wished (or reject them if they preferred).

This is what Sarah did.
Then once she had her own kid, well she didn't want the other child having any claim to inheritance or status in the clan and made things so hard for Abraham that Abraham finally went to God and told God the problem and God said there was no way to fix it but to do what the wife wanted and look I'll make a great nation of Ishmael anyways since he's your seed. So they tossed Ishmael and his mother out into the wilderness to starve, but God kept his promises and protected them.

Later on down the lineage, Jacob's wives did the same thing when there was competition for who gave him the most children, they handed over their slaves as breeding partners for extra children.

Old Testament morals were a LOT different than what modern Christians understand.

speaking of "handmaids"...
so now it appears that pedo faggots can pay women to make victims for them. how did that happen?

and on that topic...islam is evil.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

Is this true? If it is, they sure as fuck aren't an ally

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Exactly my point I’m trying to make. We are the foot soldier and pay pig to Israel.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

George Bush asked them not to participate, as in virtually every Islamic country they teach the children to hate them in school as part of the approved curriculum. Israel's participation in either Iraq and Afghanistan would have been a huge liability and reason to rally people to terrorist banners.

Wow, that is some indoctrinated mental gymnastics to come to that assumption. Lmfaooooo