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From the first post this thread was both predictable and totally entertaining.
Should someone set up a GoFundMe, call it a KACsexual transition to reality. And wait for a video?
Should someone set up a GoFundMe, call it a KACsexual transition to reality. And wait for a video?
well my LMTs were more accurate than my 25 so the 25 went to someone else
and no, the 25 is not doing .5 all day everyday
and no, the 25 is not doing .5 all day everyday
You’re right. We’re being modest, as we KAC owners are known to be. The SR-25 is a 0.25 MOA rifle in any capable hands. In fact, ask any quality scope manufacturer why they make their turrets with .25 MOA adjustments and they’ll tell you it is specifically because of the SR-25.
Finally… someone that puts the nail in the coffin of the MIL vs MOA discussion.
Another fun and enlightening SH thread. 
But I do think between all the name calling (haven't heard one guy call another guy a c*cks*cker for a while) there is some useful info.
1. If you're shooting paper targets with the goal of shooting the smallest groups possible use match ammo, not hunting ammo.
2. If your goal is kill an elk at 200 yards, use hunting ammo designed for this purpose, not match ammo, which is designed to shoot holes in paper.
3. There is no such thing as a rifle that does it all, just as like there is no such thing as a car that handles like a Porsche on pavement but can roll over the toughest trails like a Jeep Rubicon. An SR25 is a fine rifle that is designed primarily with durability and reliability in mind. If your goal is to shoot tiny groups, there are better choices. Just like if you are looking for a rifle that can shoot any kind of ammo, in the most adverse conditions, and do so for 20,000+ rounds, don't buy a CLE stainless upper in .223 Wylde.
4. Consistently shooting sub MOA groups out of any .308 gas gun is hard. Most guns are not capable of this level of accuracy. And fewer shooters are capable of this level of accuracy even if they have a gun that is.
5. If you come on this forum and claim that you are able to shoot well below 1 MOA "all day" you should be prepared to back this up, particularly if you're claiming to do this with a gun not known for outstanding accuracy or with some crappy mil. surplus ammo you paid .60/rd for. In particular, be prepared to take some shit from forum members who actually can shoot 1 MOA "all day" and have posted the targets to prove it.
But I do think between all the name calling (haven't heard one guy call another guy a c*cks*cker for a while) there is some useful info.
1. If you're shooting paper targets with the goal of shooting the smallest groups possible use match ammo, not hunting ammo.
2. If your goal is kill an elk at 200 yards, use hunting ammo designed for this purpose, not match ammo, which is designed to shoot holes in paper.
3. There is no such thing as a rifle that does it all, just as like there is no such thing as a car that handles like a Porsche on pavement but can roll over the toughest trails like a Jeep Rubicon. An SR25 is a fine rifle that is designed primarily with durability and reliability in mind. If your goal is to shoot tiny groups, there are better choices. Just like if you are looking for a rifle that can shoot any kind of ammo, in the most adverse conditions, and do so for 20,000+ rounds, don't buy a CLE stainless upper in .223 Wylde.
4. Consistently shooting sub MOA groups out of any .308 gas gun is hard. Most guns are not capable of this level of accuracy. And fewer shooters are capable of this level of accuracy even if they have a gun that is.
5. If you come on this forum and claim that you are able to shoot well below 1 MOA "all day" you should be prepared to back this up, particularly if you're claiming to do this with a gun not known for outstanding accuracy or with some crappy mil. surplus ammo you paid .60/rd for. In particular, be prepared to take some shit from forum members who actually can shoot 1 MOA "all day" and have posted the targets to prove it.
I would say I can shot a precision AR fairly well (sub MOA). 308 gassers not as well (1.5 MOA) but I am learning. But when my SR25 has a good day and I am having a good day I get results like this out of my APC (far better results than out of a PredatOBR):
elvis would be proud!Another fun and enlightening SH thread.
But I do think between all the name calling (haven't heard one guy call another guy a c*cks*cker for a while) there is some useful info.
1. If you're shooting paper targets with the goal of shooting the smallest groups possible use match ammo, not hunting ammo.
2. If your goal is kill an elk at 200 yards, use hunting ammo designed for this purpose, not match ammo, which is designed to shoot holes in paper.
3. There is no such thing as a rifle that does it all, just as like there is no such thing as a car that handles like a Porsche on pavement but can roll over the toughest trails like a Jeep Rubicon. An SR25 is a fine rifle that is designed primarily with durability and reliability in mind. If your goal is to shoot tiny groups, there are better choices. Just like if you are looking for a rifle that can shoot any kind of ammo, in the most adverse conditions, and do so for 20,000+ rounds, don't buy a CLE stainless upper in .223 Wylde.
4. Consistently shooting sub MOA groups out of any .308 gas gun is hard. Most guns are not capable of this level of accuracy. And fewer shooters are capable of this level of accuracy even if they have a gun that is.
5. If you come on this forum and claim that you are able to shoot well below 1 MOA "all day" you should be prepared to back this up, particularly if you're claiming to do this with a gun not known for outstanding accuracy or with some crappy mil. surplus ammo you paid .60/rd for. In particular, be prepared to take some shit from forum members who actually can shoot 1 MOA "all day" and have posted the targets to prove it.
I did this with a aero build and a KAK value line barrel that I cut down as I picked up parts cheap. I did not bring my stand grips and it was windy as you can see, the target moved back and right a bit on the last two shots but I wanted 5 aimed shots in under a minute to see how the barrel would do. Not bad at all all things considered. ammo was German Dag, haven't used fgmm yet but will given how well this did here.
I'll dig up some targets from my LMTs, KAC and other builds but without question, the 25 was not a laser nor was my cousins.
I'll dig up some targets from my LMTs, KAC and other builds but without question, the 25 was not a laser nor was my cousins.
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did you remember to do your part for those Hybrid and Precision Hunters?
At least with the lmt he can change barrels till he finds one that shoots hunting ammo .5moa. LolLMT vs KAC??
lol....now you're just starting trouble
people are so sensitive when it comes to their babies.
KAC SR25 ECR/M110 or FNH Scar 20s?
Alright guys, Interesting topic (i think). For DMR work (7.62 inside 850M), which of the two is the best? I am considering purchasing one of the two platforms, however am not tied to either brand. The KAC would be around $6000 all kitted out to resemble an M110 while the Scar 20s would be...
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Nah, fuck it. Keep it here. These KAC threads bring out the best in us, as you can see. I find them very entertaining, and I say that as an absolute KAC fan boi. I just know that they are a purpose-built rifle: meant to fuck shit up, by being accurate, and reliable. However, that reliability still needs to be nurtured. Take care of your gear and your gear will take care of you.
I own a couple of KAC rifles (no SR-25's, not yet, anyway), but I do own an LPR. Even out of the LPR, I do not expect "precision" rifle accuracy. Then again, after having been in this game for awhile now, I know everyone's definition of "precision" is relative. I do believe that the term has been overused, or "watered down," to where any rifle that shoots under a minute is a precision rifle. It happens to be that my definition of precision is more stringent than that.
I’ve got a rifle that puts factory Hornady eld m loads essentially up into one hole. It puts factory sst loads, mostly, into one target. You know what I do? I shoot eld-m bullets. The deer and hogs haven’t complained...
yes it's stupid and it all centers on the psychological nuances of buyer reinforcement. If someone pays more, they believe it to be better and worth more plus, research has proven that people want people to buy the products they have for cognitive reinforcement. Weak minded people anyway.
KAC SR25 ECR/M110 or FNH Scar 20s?
Alright guys, Interesting topic (i think). For DMR work (7.62 inside 850M), which of the two is the best? I am considering purchasing one of the two platforms, however am not tied to either brand. The KAC would be around $6000 all kitted out to resemble an M110 while the Scar 20s would be...
it's all retarded really
that said, LMT rules! lololol
why even go that route as tula 124gr x39 does the job REAL nice. You may hit the eyeball when aiming for it's heart cavity but it still drops cheap! lol
So true. If I've just dropped $2500 on a KAC rifle, I really don't want to come on this forum and read a thread where everyone is saying that I'm a complete idiot who could have bought a PSA rifle that's just as good for $800. But I love reading threads claiming that anyone who knows anything about AR's understands that KAC' are better than every other rifle ever made and worth every penny.
And I just bought a used LMT upper - so we'll see if they rule.
I'm just not ready to duct tape a flashlight and red dot to my SKS yet. That's a road for someone else to walk.
Don't make me bring in Garand Thumb's ice and mud functionality testsLMT vs KAC??
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Honestly wasn't sure what these go for, so I did a quick Google search and came up with this. https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/knights-armament-sr-15/. But I guess those are pre-Biden prices and have been OOS at those prices for a couple of years.
Only KAC item I own is a SR30 upper I bought 4-6 years ago. I think it was a MOD 0 or MOD1 and was being discontinued because my memory was that they were blowing them out for about $1,000. I bought it because I wanted a 300 BO upper and figured this was the only time I'd ever be able to afford anything KAC.
It's a nice upper and runs pretty good, but I really don't shoot it all that much since the price of 300 BO ammo has become stupid. Feel like I'm paying a pretty big premium just to put a slightly larger hole in my target.
Especially given that 300Blk was basically meant to give 7.62x39 performance out of an AR platform.Honestly wasn't sure what these go for, so I did a quick Google search and came up with this. https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/knights-armament-sr-15/. But I guess those are pre-Biden prices and have been OOS at those prices for a couple of years.
Only KAC item I own is a SR30 upper I bought 4-6 years ago. I think it was a MOD 0 or MOD1 and was being discontinued because my memory was that they were blowing them out for about $1,000. I bought it because I wanted a 300 BO upper and figured this was the only time I'd ever be able to afford anything KAC.
It's a nice upper and runs pretty good, but I really don't shoot it all that much since the price of 300 BO ammo has become stupid. Feel like I'm paying a pretty big premium just to put a slightly larger hole in my target.
That's fair. I said $2500 because this thread was about SR25s and their other-worldly delivery of unmatched sub-atomic accuracy all day long. I checked gunbroker and saw a couple SR-25 lowers for just under $2500.Honestly wasn't sure what these go for, so I did a quick Google search and came up with this. https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/knights-armament-sr-15/. But I guess those are pre-Biden prices and have been OOS at those prices for a couple of years.
Only KAC item I own is a SR30 upper I bought 4-6 years ago. I think it was a MOD 0 or MOD1 and was being discontinued because my memory was that they were blowing them out for about $1,000. I bought it because I wanted a 300 BO upper and figured this was the only time I'd ever be able to afford anything KAC.
It's a nice upper and runs pretty good, but I really don't shoot it all that much since the price of 300 BO ammo has become stupid. Feel like I'm paying a pretty big premium just to put a slightly larger hole in my target.
To the OP, my SR-25 is so accurate that I don't even shoot groups for zeroing, only single rounds. 0MOA All. Day. Long.
Hmmmg, Commander Shepard wise, he is. Confirm, that which you already know? Foolish one would be.
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i passed on a left hand sr-25 30 years ago at a crossroads gun show in costa mesa, ca. I had just ran my first 168 reloads through my hk911 and as it was MOA i did not see the need for a gas .308 as I remember its chambering versus my 7.62x51 non gas rifle that will special work maybe be made FA.
Oh it was $1,000 and i had the money on me and i am left handed. Seems as an investment i was wrong but not 30 years ago. At least to me.
the seller said it was not a MOA rifle as far as he knew of. So I passed
Oh it was $1,000 and i had the money on me and i am left handed. Seems as an investment i was wrong but not 30 years ago. At least to me.
the seller said it was not a MOA rifle as far as he knew of. So I passed
The hardest part about this challenge is getting KAC to send you the rifle you ordered 18 months ago.
You could always pay market and have one now instead of whatever discounted rate you’re waiting on.
That's true. Wish I had any idea what the real wait would be when I placed that order.
Remember that time when someone had to pay $100 after issuing a 6x5 SR-25 challenge?
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elk aren't deer.
they are pachyderms.
the 'hide told me so.
match bullets won't kill either. definitely not a 108gr bullet from a 6br at 500 yards. not enough oomph. not enough energy.
they are pachyderms.
the 'hide told me so.
match bullets won't kill either. definitely not a 108gr bullet from a 6br at 500 yards. not enough oomph. not enough energy.
I’m coming up on a year soon enough.
Not enough stopping powah.
hope you didn't prepay
No comment.
Even a .22lr will kill an elk if you get lucky. Doesn't make it the proper tool for the job though.
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