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Light bulbs being banned!!

#2
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There is some guy working to get a patent on a "heat ball", a small filament based heater aka light bulb so they can be kept on the market.

To me the issue isn't overall light but the wavelength for filament bulbs is easier on the eyes than the higher frequency LEDs and fluorescents.
 
#4
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Billions of lightbulbs are in use in the country at any given time and hundreds of Millions will be broken or discarded each year. Normal incandescent lightbulbs are pretty low down on the scale of persistant toxins. CFLs which everyone will have to switch to have a much higher concentration of toxic chemicals that if broken, can be easily carried around by air or water.

All those highly toxic chemicals will wind up in your water supply, your carpets, your air. Imagine what the clean up will be in 10 to 15 years after Billions of those are broken or discarded (or "recycled" since nobody that you don't pay a lot of money to, actually properly recycles them).
 
#5
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One 40 watt fluorescent lamp will put out 6 times more light than what an incandescent lamp will, and have nearly zero heat loss. It's all about POWER, literally. Incandescence is 19th Century technology, and we have progressed, enjoy living in the past and paying for it.
 
#6
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BALLISTIC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One 40 watt fluorescent lamp will put out 6 times more light than what an incandescent lamp will, and have nearly zero heat loss. It's all about POWER, literally. Incandescence is 19th Century technology, and we have progressed, enjoy living in the past and paying for it. </div></div>

That might be true but, the damn fluorescent bulbs don't work too good when its cold... like in an outside light. They take a long time to get to there full brightness.
Whereas an incandescent bulb is bright as soon as you flip the switch.
 
#7
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brian W</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BALLISTIC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One 40 watt fluorescent lamp will put out 6 times more light than what an incandescent lamp will, and have nearly zero heat loss. It's all about POWER, literally. Incandescence is 19th Century technology, and we have progressed, enjoy living in the past and paying for it. </div></div>

That might be true but, the damn fluorescent bulbs don't work too good when its cold... like in an outside light. They take a long time to get to there full brightness.
Whereas an incandescent bulb is bright as soon as you flip the switch.</div></div>
I have found some that seem to get to full brightness almost immediately, others that take a second or so to even turn on, and some that seem to need to heat up to get to its final brightness. Kinda hit or miss IMHO
 
#8
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ROTFLMAO

Guys, don't believe everything you read. I retired from Law Enforcement and am now in the Lighting Industry as my second career. The incandescent bulb was not banned. Actually, under G.W. Bush, the 110th Congress passed the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act, that mandates higher efficacy requirement on incandescent light bulbs to be instituted in a multi-step process begining in 2012. However in typical government fashion, there are caveats, lots of caveats, specifically a list a mile long of exception to the law of incandescent bulbs that are affected and all are pertaining to residential lighting. The efficacy requirement will drive up the cost of incandescent light bulbs because of tooling and R&D that manufacturers will need to invest in the 100+ year old technology, effectively bring the cost of an ole A-19 60 watt relative to a CFL in the marketplace. Why would the manufactures do this, because they have invested greatly in CFL technology in the past 20 years, and are putting the money that could be used into LED. Which ironically, LED has been around for 50+ years.

For those that absolutely hate the light that a CFL puts out, look for bulbs with the Energy Star label of approval on it. As there are so many "Green" marketing scams out there, it can be hard to get the right bulb, especially those that have the correct Color Rendering Index. Example; go to Home Depot and look at all the CFL's they have in green boxes, then actually look for the ones with the Energy Star label on them, the isle narrows considerably. The EPA Energy Star approval process guaranty's that the bulb is third paty tested, turns on within a half second without flicker, and has a CRI of 82 or more. Essentially the same light that you get out of an A-19 60 watt bulb, but instead of getting 70% heat and 30% light, you get 70% light and 30% heat. That being said, if you were take an Energy Star fixture and hang it next to an incandescent fixture, you couldn't tell the difference unless you look at the actual bulb.

regarding those <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">NASTY</span></span></span> toxins in a CFL, thats nonsense to nth degree. The only toxin that is in a CFL is a trace amount of mercury. Here is a statistic for you; what is the largest pollutant of mercury into the atmosphere? Crematorium's, what you say, well all the dead folk that get cremated, their fillings put more mercury into the atmosphere than all the CFL light bulbs combined ever could. Here is another one for you, if your city gets its energy from a coal producing facility, that facility puts more mercury into the atmosphere generating the energy needed to light your incandescent light bulb than it does to light your CFL.

Sometimes change is good, sometimes its not, but with the ever increasing energy prices, this one is good.

 
#9
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BALLISTIC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One 40 watt fluorescent lamp will put out 6 times more light than what an incandescent lamp will, and have nearly zero heat loss. </div></div>

That's amusing that the lifespan is what they say it is, which in my experience isn't quite true.
 
#10
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Thanks for shedding a little light on this subject...
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The cover story of a recent issue of IEEE <span style="font-style: italic">Spectrum</span> magazine was about LED lighting. Incandescent bulbs are on the way out, not because of government intervention, but because only idiots will want them before long.

I live in an RV, and Wal-Mart has warm white color bulbs for the 12 Volt fluorescent fixtures in it.
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BALLISTIC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One 40 watt fluorescent lamp will put out 6 times more light than what an incandescent lamp will, and have nearly zero heat loss. </div></div>

That's amusing that the lifespan is what they say it is, which in my experience isn't quite true. </div></div>

Actually . . . a 13 Watt CFL used in an Energy Star light fixture, will give you 10,000 hours of lamp life, approximately 6 X's the lamp life of an incandescent. A 13 Watt CFL is equivilent to a 60 Watt incandescent. Here is the catch, and this goes to the whole marketing scam put on by companies selling CFL's. A Energy Star light fixture utilizes a GU-24 CFL light bulb, these have a bi-pin base, NOT an Edison base (Screw-in), and at no time has an Energy Star light fixture ever been made with an Edison base. Where is the critical electronic ballast in a CFL, in its base, and what kills electronics quick, HEAT. That is the biggest difference in construction of a Energy Star fixture, it does not generate the heat transferrance at the socket like a standard light fixture. Now understanding that, those Edison based CFL's that are so common at Home Depot that are rated for 10,000 hours, will never give you any better than 5,000 hours at best. Here is why, for every degree higher than a GU-24 socket, you can cut the lamp life in half. So if your socket is 1 degree higher, which is the average for new fixture, your only going to get 5,000 hours. If you have an older fixture that is 2 to 3 degrees higher, than you will only get 2,500 or 1,250 hours. So understanding that, Edison based (screw-in)CFL's only save you actual money if they have a long lamplife. Edison base CFL's are a short term fix, to really see pay back and to help get to a legitimate Net-Zero you have to use actual Progressive Energy Star light fixtures. (Progressive, meaning you can not change back to incandescent)

Here is how you can figure out if you are actually saving money with a store bought CFL. Take your electric bill, find the kilowatts used and divide it by your hours used. That will tell you what you are paying per kilowatt hour. In the Southeast we are paying anywhere from $0.08 to $0.17, in California and some parts of the Northeast they are paying between $.25 to $0.35 a kilowatt hout. Once you figured that out, you can start seeing what you are actually paying per kilowatt and what the saving will be wil a CFL. Here is a simple formula to figure out the watts used by a specific light bulb:

1 - 75W flood light bulb, pot fixture, incandescent
Usage: 6 hours summer, 9 hours winter = 10.5 hours / day average.
10.5 hours/day x 365 days per year x 75 watts/hour = 287437 watts, or 287.4 kW/h per year.

Cost of operation (incandesent):
287.4 kW/h x $0.08 per kW/h
$1.92 / month
$22.99 / year

Savings by converting to CFL in this fixture:
A 25 watt CFL is comparable in light output to a 75 watt incandescent.
1 x 25 watts = 25 watts / hour
10.5 hours/day x 365 days per year x 25 watts/hour = 95812 watts, or 95.8 kW/h per year.

Cost of operation for CFL bulb:
95.8 kW/h x $0.08 per kW/h
$0.64 / month
$7.66 / year

 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for shedding a little light on this subject...
laugh.gif


The cover story of a recent issue of IEEE <span style="font-style: italic">Spectrum</span> magazine was about LED lighting. Incandescent bulbs are on the way out, not because of government intervention, but because only idiots will want them before long.

I live in an RV, and Wal-Mart has warm white color bulbs for the 12 Volt fluorescent fixtures in it.
</div></div>

If you can't find a CFL with the Energy Star approval label on it, look at Kelvin Temperature, 3000 degrees or LESS (Considered warm light on the Kelvin scale) will give you the warm light that a incandescent is known for. A bulb with a Kelvin temperature higher than 3000 degrees (Considered cold light on the Kelvin scale) will be more white in the spectrum until it gets to around 5,000 degrees kelvin. Then they start to get that blue look. Most CFL's that are advertised as "Natural Sunlight" are around 5,000 degrees kelvin and are not what most want in their house.
 
#14
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For these curly bulbs, I changed over the house back in 05/06. The "equal payment plan" dropped considerably, the following year. They were the 'first gen' bulbs which are noticeably a "brownish-orange" light. They suck.

We now go for the "Daylight" bulbs, and the difference is phenomenal. Way Lots. Personally, I've no issue with them. But I'll say this,,, in the garage, where the lights aren't on/used often, these fluorescents sure do put out more light now. I'm talking about turning on a bulb at -30, and it only taking about 1/2-3/4 of a second for there to be light. Granted, the light gets brighter in about 10-15 seconds, but only a small percentage.

For that alone, these work so much better than the F40 fluorescent tubes and such. And again, the "Daylight" bulbs really ARE so much better.
 
#15
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Ah, so, Witchdoctor,I just built my house about 2 years ago. I have light assemblies that use two different size " Edison " sockets.
I assume that to use the Progressive Energy Star bulbs, I will have to change all 50 some fixtures in my home? Some of these fixtures are built as an integral part of ceiling fans, and appliances. Are any of these lights built to take the temperatures of my electric oven in cleaning mode?
Personally, I am a regressive. I like the century old filament light bubs.
I do not like the idea of being coerced into using a light bulb that I absolutely detest.
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't care how much extra the SOBs cost. I will not use a product solely manufactured in China. Correct me if I am wrong. I have been known to be. </div></div>

Better like living in the dark, because 95% of all light fixtures manufactured are made in China and have been for the last 15 years. Its China's largest and oldest export.

I can count on one (1) hand the amnount of companies that actually are truely made in the USA, and those companies don't make anything your wife would pick out for your house.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Witch Doctor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BALLISTIC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One 40 watt fluorescent lamp will put out 6 times more light than what an incandescent lamp will, and have nearly zero heat loss. </div></div>

That's amusing that the lifespan is what they say it is, which in my experience isn't quite true. </div></div>

Actually . . . a 13 Watt CFL used in an Energy Star light fixture, will give you 10,000 hours of lamp life, approximately 6 X's the lamp life of an incandescent. A 13 Watt CFL is equivilent to a 60 Watt incandescent. Here is the catch, and this goes to the whole marketing scam put on by companies selling CFL's. A Energy Star light fixture utilizes a GU-24 CFL light bulb, these have a bi-pin base, NOT an Edison base (Screw-in), and at no time has an Energy Star light fixture ever been made with an Edison base. Where is the critical electronic ballast in a CFL, in its base, and what kills electronics quick, HEAT. That is the biggest difference in construction of a Energy Star fixture, it does not generate the heat transferrance at the socket like a standard light fixture. Now understanding that, those Edison based CFL's that are so common at Home Depot that are rated for 10,000 hours, will never give you any better than 5,000 hours at best. Here is why, for every degree higher than a GU-24 socket, you can cut the lamp life in half. So if your socket is 1 degree higher, which is the average for new fixture, your only going to get 5,000 hours. If you have an older fixture that is 2 to 3 degrees higher, than you will only get 2,500 or 1,250 hours. So understanding that, Edison based (screw-in)CFL's only save you actual money if they have a long lamplife. Edison base CFL's are a short term fix, to really see pay back and to help get to a legitimate Net-Zero you have to use actual Progressive Energy Star light fixtures. (Progressive, meaning you can not change back to incandescent)

Here is how you can figure out if you are actually saving money with a store bought CFL. Take your electric bill, find the kilowatts used and divide it by your hours used. That will tell you what you are paying per kilowatt hour. In the Southeast we are paying anywhere from $0.08 to $0.17, in California and some parts of the Northeast they are paying between $.25 to $0.35 a kilowatt hout. Once you figured that out, you can start seeing what you are actually paying per kilowatt and what the saving will be wil a CFL. Here is a simple formula to figure out the watts used by a specific light bulb:

1 - 75W flood light bulb, pot fixture, incandescent
Usage: 6 hours summer, 9 hours winter = 10.5 hours / day average.
10.5 hours/day x 365 days per year x 75 watts/hour = 287437 watts, or 287.4 kW/h per year.

Cost of operation (incandesent):
287.4 kW/h x $0.08 per kW/h
$1.92 / month
$22.99 / year

Savings by converting to CFL in this fixture:
A 25 watt CFL is comparable in light output to a 75 watt incandescent.
1 x 25 watts = 25 watts / hour
10.5 hours/day x 365 days per year x 25 watts/hour = 95812 watts, or 95.8 kW/h per year.

Cost of operation for CFL bulb:
95.8 kW/h x $0.08 per kW/h
$0.64 / month
$7.66 / year

</div></div>

Wow that's a hell of a post thanks! The Watt savings is clear. Maybe I have dirty power in my home but CFLs don't seem to last very long. So if you take your above equation and then factor in replacing that CFL few times per year you're savings evaporate quickly in to a loss. I think something in the starter dies as the base of my CFLs show obvious burning. It happens in a lot of my fixtures, not just the old ones which is why I suspect dirty power or crappy bulbs (my bet). I haven't taken one apart yet so that's just a guess.
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Witch Doctor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
regarding those <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">NASTY</span></span></span> toxins in a CFL, thats nonsense to nth degree. The only toxin that is in a CFL is a trace amount of mercury.
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You guys would probably puke at the amount of money my company get paid every day to pick up, haul, and recycle CFL's and other light bulbs, as well as the ballasts it takes to run them PCB's or not. I think this is a hidden cost that not many people think of. But every day, all the big companies and government entities that we pick up from are paying tons of money (usually more than the cost of the bulb to begin with) to get rid of them. I'm sure that cost gets passed on to the consumer.

And yes, all the recyclable materials are shipped to China to be remade/sold back to us.
 
#22
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I don't see why everybody is getting all worked up over this... Light is Light is Light.

I can attest to these bulbs' efficiency and life span, I have a few around the house that have been going strong since CFLs first came out. AT LEAST the better part of 10 years.
 
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