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Hunting & Fishing Long shots on game - what are people resting off?

Rifletuner

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I am interested to hear what people are using for shooting positions and rest equipment for long range hunting shots. It would also be interesting to know a ballpark range for shots people are making as I think it helps understand how effective the set-up is, and of course what constitutes "long range" is subjective anyway. Do people use a rear bag for the butt, and rest the forend on their pack, or use a bipod - with their weak hand supporting the butt, etc. Or do none of these work, as grass or terrain require a seated position off sticks, etc.

Note; I am not asking "what should I use?". I am just trying to get some hard data on what successful hunters are actually using in the field. If anyone wants to post a photo of their set-up, so much the better.

Thanks in advance to anyone who participates and shares their "secrets to success".
 
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My "work rifle", for the time being anyway. GA Precision built 6 Creedmoor. 6-9 Harris, notched legs with a KMW Podloc. Homemade rear bag with range card attached.

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A few minutes after connecting on a 780 meter coyote(4.8 mils)with a .5 wind hold. 105gr Berger Hybrid@3100fps. IMO, possibly the perfect coyote rifle....at least for the country I hunt up here.
 
This is from load development but it is pretty close to what I take hunting save the chronograph and all the extra ammo.



and through the scope on a couple deer that were just over the property line.
 
Thanks guys. Great posts and exactly what I was hoping to see. And gun porn is always appreciated! :)

Please keep the posts coming.
 
Bog pod tripod on a bull elk at 724yds
My backpack on a whitetail at 780yds
Harris bipod 25" on many coyotes over 400yds
 
I dont know why anyone would shoot from something different just because they are hunting. If you always shoot from a biood then why go to something else for the hunt. Adding variables to your setup only adds inconsistencies. As far as game ranges, I have shot big game animals from 60-904 yds, with most of them falling in the 3-700 yard range.

 
I am very partial to sitting with sticks, the deal for cull animals around here is if I sit down and you are within 600 yards, you're toast.



Sometimes a backpack under the rifle butt, a knee in your back or a tree, helps steady you too.



But a bipod is on just about every rifle that goes to the field too.


Old wise man - if you can't get steadier, get closer. If you can't get closer, get steadier.

SHooting out of a blind is one of the hardest spots to get steady. Try:
1. Using backpack in lap to brace rifle butt.
2. Shooting stick ( always have one with me ) to brace chicken wing.
3. Use second chair in clind to steady with.
4. Cut a permanent board to stay in blind, prop from fore to aft walls, just under window, fold bipod up, place on window sill, place rifle butt/left hand on board. 1x3 or 1x4 works fine.

Get creative, it's sometimes very hard to get prone with tall grass, I'd rather take a little longer shot prone, than closer shots unsupported.
 
I just use a 1907 type sling on my Model 70 Featherweight, 270 Win., prone, setting or kneeling, depending on conditions.
 
Old wise man - if you can't get steadier, get closer. If you can't get closer, get steadier.

SHooting out of a blind is one of the hardest spots to get steady. Try:
1. Using backpack in lap to brace rifle butt.
2. Shooting stick ( always have one with me ) to brace chicken wing.
3. Use second chair in clind to steady with.
4. Cut a permanent board to stay in blind, prop from fore to aft walls, just under window, fold bipod up, place on window sill, place rifle butt/left hand on board. 1x3 or 1x4 works fine.

Get creative, it's sometimes very hard to get prone with tall grass, I'd rather take a little longer shot prone, than closer shots unsupported.

^^^^This.

I haven't hunted yet, but I am former infantry and the same logic applies.

Sometimes you just have to get comfortable by any means necessary, or even comfortable while being uncomfortable, because you may not always have the "perfect setup".

Closer usually means a flatter shot, but if you have to cross a large open field and in the process rush a shot because you got spotted, it's better (in my opinion) to get used to taking longer shots.
 
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I am a simple man and believe in light is right, lighter in righter, lightest is rightest. I take as little to the hills as possible. First I always look for a natural feature for support; rock, long, tree, limb, etc. I used a wheeler, machine, truck hood for support too. I always have a trekking pole and backpack so these are what I use. The terrain dictates prone, sitting or kneeling. I am not one who jumps into prone with a bipod to take a shot because in my terrain a bipod is not useful, like in grass and brush and I like to think and use what is avail not a standard routine. Plus a bipod adds extra weight that I do not want.

My average shot is somewhere between 250-275 yards with my longest at 425. I believe hunting is a skill set not pulling the trigger at long ranges. I am more impressed with a hunter getting under 200 yards on a goat hunt than I am with someone tipping over a goat at 600 yards or a hunter who stairs with ice cold steel into the eyes of a 1500 pound brownie at less than a 100 Vs someone who tips ole booboo over at 300. But that is what makes horse races.
 
I dont know why anyone would shoot from something different just because they are hunting. If you always shoot from a biood then why go to something else for the hunt. Adding variables to your setup only adds inconsistencies. As far as game ranges, I have shot big game animals from 60-904 yds, with most of them falling in the 3-700 yard range.


You're putting the COLD in the cold bore miracle....nice pic,
 
I agree with some of what is said here^, sneaking up on animals is some of the most exciting experiences in hunting. I remember my brother and I on hands and knees creeping amongst a heard of 30 or so elk, to get a look at the big bull. The ability to stealthfully close the distance on an animal is a skill key to hunting. But who is a better hunter; the one who can sneak into bow range on a bear, or the one who can do that, AND take the shot from long range if needs be? On more than one occasion I have had to make a shot from cross canyon or otherwise because the terrain and conditions simply would not allow a stalk. I hold nothing against those who choose to stalk closer, I often do myself. But the ability, practice, and equipment to conect at longer distances is as valuable skill as stalking.
 
I am a simple man and believe in light is right, lighter in righter, lightest is rightest. I take as little to the hills as possible.

I agree with that 100%, couldn't have said it better if I tried.
 
I used a wheeler, machine, truck hood for support too. I always have a trekking pole and backpack so these are what I use. The terrain dictates prone, sitting or kneeling. I am not one who jumps into prone with a bipod to take a shot because in my terrain a bipod is not useful, like in grass and brush and I like to think and use what is avail not a standard routine. Plus a bipod adds extra weight that I do not want.

One of the best hunters I know, is deadly off the hood of a jeep. He's very elderly, doesn't get around much anymore, but let a cull stand there and watch you at 3-400 yards, he's out of the passenger side, jacket off, rolled up for a rest and shot out in quick time!

I like the light is right - that's good!
 
I'm with coldbore. I enjoy both types of hunting. Although, If I'm gonna get close, the last thing the animal will be feeling is fletching, not lead. Or, all too often, a slight breeze as my arrow passes by. ;)

Longshot, if you're used to shooting off a concrete pad at the range, I think you'll love the feel of a bipod in field. Especially if you can find a good surface like grass or softer dirt. Easier to load the bipod, and it doesn't hop with less than perfect technique.
 
Rest? What is a rest? I shot all my deer offhand at 500+ yards as they were in a flat out run. Put it right on their nose and when I pull the trigger they pile up in a heap.;)
 
I like to shoot squirrels with my savage 116 '06. Walking through the woods or fields and having to improvise a rest gets me comfortable doing the same while hunting. Taking a knee, a rock, tree, or even going prone when possible becomes second nature. On the other hand I am new to long range shooting, and feel that my skills are not up to more than a three hundred yard shot. Could probably to better, I just lack the confidence.
 
Hog Saddle... a game changer for me. I have been crawling up the mountains of Idaho for 25 years and have used every contraption from Harris bipods to bogpods.... usually it winds up being a tree limb or my back pack propped up on a rock.... until the Hog Saddle. I can clamp any rifle I own quickly into the hog saddle and get above sage, grass or whatever is in the way. At first, I though it would add to much weight but now that I trust it, I use it to clamp my spotting scope too. Now I leave the shooting sticks and harris bipod at home. I carried a good tripod anyway for my spotting scope so the weight is actually less and my precision is much better than shooting sticks and a harris that wont see over the brush.

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I just use a 1907 type sling on my Model 70 Featherweight, 270 Win., prone, setting or kneeling, depending on conditions.

This is what I am talking about!


I agree with some of what is said here^, sneaking up on animals is some of the most exciting experiences in hunting. I remember my brother and I on hands and knees creeping amongst a heard of 30 or so elk, to get a look at the big bull. The ability to stealthfully close the distance on an animal is a skill key to hunting. But who is a better hunter; the one who can sneak into bow range on a bear, or the one who can do that, AND take the shot from long range if needs be? On more than one occasion I have had to make a shot from cross canyon or otherwise because the terrain and conditions simply would not allow a stalk. I hold nothing against those who choose to stalk closer, I often do myself. But the ability, practice, and equipment to conect at longer distances is as valuable skill as stalking.

I did not say better hunters, I am more impressed with someone who shortens the distance to tip over an animal or at least try. Glassing an animal across slope, make the plan, climb, traverse in bad weather in hard terrain to close to under 300, work a crease in open tundra to under 250, impresses me more than someone who glasses, works to get into a shooting position and takes the 800 yard shot. With what I have seen over the last few years, its the later as technology and shooters have risen: 300RUM with 25x nightforce for a sheep/goat hunt Vs Mdl 70 / ADL 30.06 with fixed 4 power. Its not wrong just does not impresses me or what I am about, I am simple man with simple principles but I admit I do use high speed high techno kit because it is lighter that allows me to move with ease and speed, speed is safety and also I got it free or paid to use it so I must.

I guess its hunting season and I already tire of; I took a double ear, curl, etc at 750 yards, high wind, sleet, no boots on, etc.

The days of hunters throwing on their pack frame and rifle, hike 10 miles, trickle charge, glass stalk, shoot, pack it out is what I am talking about, Kraig said it, "I just use", hunting is hunting not shooting in my opinion.

Almost gets my vote, most bow hunters have a 375 back up. I helped with a female Pope and Young Brownie and Polar bear entry and I do believe she had some Africa prints in her love me book, a sight to see her stalk, plus she could stick an arrow in an aspirin at 50 yards in all weather after a long stalk.

back to the original scheduled question:
 
In the second (or 3rd?) season of Heartland Bowhunter, the guys put a succesful stalk on a whitetail about 100yds away. They climb out of the tree, wade through a marsh and pull off the shot. Best hunting video I've ever seen. Either, they're part ninja or that deer was full retard.
 
I run a bipod up front and carry my Tab rear bag with me. If I can't get steady and don't know the dope, I don't shoot. Get the 2nd video Rifles Only put out on precision shooting, it has a lot of good information on field positions and shooting.
 
I use a 13-25" Harris on my hunting rigs. Tall enough to sit and get over tall grass, low enough for prone when using a backpack for the rear. Can be folded up to use bags if conditions allow. Steady enough to take a mulie last year a 488 yds.

 
Guys, I know this is not indicative of much, but I just happened to watch Long Range Pursuit episode 18 last night (video here LRP Ep18 Long Range Competition in Utah on Vimeo) and it prompted a couple of thoughts I'd like to run past you.

In the competition sequence, the 2 shooters profiled are using a "rest" rather than a bipod, at least for all the shots shown on film (at around 6:40 into the ep, and again at 17:55). I know this is not indicative of much, but it did seem like a reasonable approach to me (it reflects my shooting experience more so than a bipod). Aside from the facts that it may be slower to deploy, and would take up more room to carry a bag (but not the blocks of 4"X2" - not proposing to hall them around), is there any reason a bipod offers more functionality? I guess it could offer better stability if more height is needed - some of the shooters positions didn't look rock solid (despite the fact they seemed to hit their early shots from positions that looked a bit ordinary to me). Interested to hear some more perspectives.
 
Making long range shots in varying degrees of field positions simply requires versatility in you, your weapon and your gear. Bipods are very light in the overall scheme of things to carry. Why wouldn't you want that advantage? I would take a solid bipod shot over a block of wood or bag rest etc almost everytime unless there's extreme angles and such where I find it more useful to be on a bag and such for those. Use everything at your disposal to get the job done.
 
Don't like bipods. Added weight I don't need and the suckers get tangled up in everything. I'll stick with the sling.

In the CMP Vintage Sniper Matches you can use a sling or you can use sandbags, cant use both. I found I shoot better with the sling, and it carries over into my hunting also.
 
Really depends on terrain and when an opportunity presents. I have bipods on my rifles, but also learned the hard way that is better to use my body or other improvised natural rest. Hell, I have used my binos as rest with the caps on stood on end. React, adapt, and overcome.

Eric
 
I tend to use my pack or sling prone, sling standing if I get surprised by an animal while in the thick. Like to keep it light as I hunt a long ways from the road (most of the time). I have used a tree branch or two and have recently been practicing bracing off my brothers pack. I have found I am pretty fast at this and can make an accurate shot. Have not tested beyond 250 as I dont hunt past that. Usually in timber and small parks so not a lot of range needed.
Shooting I use a bipod, but I do practice the methods I use in the woods off and on as well. If I had more wide open country for longer shots or was only hunting pdogs or coyotes I would use a bipod and rear bag.
 
If I can get to the ground im off my Atlas or Harris bipods every time but when the grass is long I have a LaRue quick detachable mount for my Manfrotto Bipod with a Video Ball head , its rock solid and if you wan you can sit shooting sticks under the butt to really lock it up , If you sit with your back to a tree and this in front of you its a super solution quick to set up and pull down / get on and off of.

 
I dont know why anyone would shoot from something different just because they are hunting. If you always shoot from a biood then why go to something else for the hunt. Adding variables to your setup only adds inconsistencies. As far as game ranges, I have shot big game animals from 60-904 yds, with most of them falling in the 3-700 yard range.


Nice DTA Covert! Do you guys in Utah use any other rifles? Just purchased the new SRS A1 and love it. Great ergonomics and balance. What caliber are you using? Thanks