Given I have little girl hands, I've always felt that the grip front strap to trigger shoe distance indicates that Manners thinks all shooters can palm a basketball lol
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I also have small hands, I have never gotten along with Manners stocks.
I would buy one of their stocks if they just offered the option to have the front strap built up for those of us without an NBA career (LOL). I've never understood this one size fits all on trigger reach. Sort of one reason why I favor chassis, particularly ones that take an AR grip so that I can mount an MDT Vertical Grip ELITE on with its fore/aft adjustment.
I still own an OG JAE and worked with Tyler Kemp and MKM to make a printed grip that was more vertical and closer to the trigger. But, I still like the MDT on my Vision chassis best.
Next in line is a Vision Pro and they seem to have improved the grip quite a bit (at least for my hand) on the this iteration of their chassis. I've handled a friend's and thikg it will work...if not, I can just put an MDT on it.
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I wear medium or large gloves, depending on the brand. The stocks that have a shorter trigger to grip distance that I’ve found are:
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
- Accuracy International (no experience with their R700 chassis, just the “real” AI)
- KRG Bravo (better than their W3, but longer than the Accuracy International)
OTHERS HAVE SAID
- McMillan U10 & variants (used to be called A10)
- KMW Sentinel
- Foundation Samson/Centurion
- Blaser R8
- Manners T5A
- Vision Pro (see @Baron23 above)
- Manners EH1? Maybe a low GTTD for a Manners, but not really compared to the above stocks (see @powdahound76 below, he says it has a shorter grip to trigger distance that is closer to the McMillans)
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This is because 308 is a fine choice of target cartridge 25 years ago, just like the Macmillan stocks. They are both good stuff, but technology has advanced significantly. Next we will be talking about the best fixed power SFP optics in MOA.
6.5 Creed is the cost effective easy button for messing around to 1K.
Since we are talking nostalgia, OP could just buy this, I'm sure it could be had for 3k
Manners EH1 has a shorter grip to trigger that is closer to the mcmillans with same.
The design of the butt stock works very well for me, esp with hunting scopes installed (vx5 3-15 or LRHS 3-12) that have 42 or 44 mm objectives.
I wear a 7.5 glove and the Manners t2 and t4 are longer than I like for that desired 90 degrees at the 2nd knuckle on the booger hook, I mean trigger finger….
The design of the butt stock works very well for me, esp with hunting scopes installed (vx5 3-15 or LRHS 3-12) that have 42 or 44 mm objectives.
I wear a 7.5 glove and the Manners t2 and t4 are longer than I like for that desired 90 degrees at the 2nd knuckle on the booger hook, I mean trigger finger….
I bought an Aero Solus 6.5 Creed in the KRG Bravo and honestly I love it. I love it so much that I bought a Solus action and got a Solus M24 contour .308 barrel and built that out with a KRG Bravo as well. Honestly, it's the easy button. Putting together a bolt rifle is so much easier than putting together an AR.
The 6.5 I put their aluminum ARCA forend on, the .308 I am just using their plastic forend. Both of them I put the spigot on and the NVG cap.
The 6.5 I put their aluminum ARCA forend on, the .308 I am just using their plastic forend. Both of them I put the spigot on and the NVG cap.
Why this?
Just to cement your legend as a dufus along with Deathbeforedismount and Rob?
I personally like things more about different actions and if a guy is happy with his Solus buys, why?
Because it is inferior to your taste?
It's almost as if you know why......
If being a dufus means wanting people to get quality gear from reputable companies, then the shoe fits.
Dunno, grip is more vertical and palm swell and grip diameter is smaller but the front strap still looks like it’s a long way from the trigger shoe. Yes, you can “choke up” on a stock like this but…
And minimum LOP w .5” pad is a tad over 13” and I personally would prefer 12.5”
Cheers
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Yeah, the other entries on that list have more than one person stating that the grip-to-trigger (GTT) distance is short(er). The last two I put a question mark by them as I personally have only seen one person vouch.Dunno, grip is more vertical and palm swell and grip diameter is smaller but the front strap still looks like it’s a long way from the trigger shoe. Yes, you can “choke up” on a stock like this but…
And minimum LOP w .5” pad is a tad over 13” and I personally would prefer 12.5”
Cheers
If you know of others that agree with the GTT assessment, LMK and I’ll knock off the ? mark.
I had it happen...Once... Never before, and never since. The scope rail screws sheared clean on my Christensen 7mm-08, and my new Kahles K318i hit the bench... Turns out it was a bad batch of rail screws, but still, shit does happen when you least expect it.
I much prefer integral rails after that, even though I'd never had any issues prior to. Still makes me a bit gun-shy, even on rifles I've never had a single issue with before. Mainly because the cheapest scopes I have are the DNT's at $600... Everything else is $1,000+, some in the $3K-$4K range. After that K318i hit the bench I was pretty pissed off.
Also, as to the gas blocks with set-screws, I prefer both set screws and pinned, but I haven't had any of my set-screws come loose, because I use a shit load of Rocksett on them.
Especially on Christensen rifles, amirite?!!
I was making a serious post, but once again... Eat a bag of dicks.
I was like....is he baiting me? This can't be real?!!
It's like he's handing it right to me....
This is true, but the Ridgelines aren't done that way, they're nearly true-spec 700 clone. That said, I did post about it on here, and Christensen Arms saw what happened, and they reached out via DM, and they sent me a free 20MOA base that they make that has the "legs" that fit precisely in the front & rear of the ejection port, and it holds it still front-to-back. It's a nice base, I don't know what more companies aren't making them that way to avoid having to drill & pin on factory actions.
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IMO just look at the picture I posted from Manner's site and compare that GTT (your acronym lol) of the MKM grip on your W3 chassis.
Or compare it to this pic of the Vision Pro....which is much like your MKM W3 grip....to me, the difference is very significant
I guess I don't really care if others agree or not...to me, the Manners picture says it all and is objective evidence vs personal opinion or preferences.
Ah, yes, the Vision Pro def has a low GTTD (added a D to the end for “distance”
). I should’ve mentioned a pic would help sway me as well as others chiming in. And I agree with you about the Manner’s EH1…I took another look…maybe it has a low GTTD for a Manners, but not really compared to other low GTTD stocks. Edited my post above. Thx man!
Ended up winning a auction in gb for a remington 700p 24in 308. With 5r rifling so just gonna build in that and get a full custom down the road at somepoint
For sure. Haven't got it yet I just got it today. But gonna try to find a mcann mirs for it and get it as close to a m24 as I can. I know the m24s are long action but I haven't seen anything bad on the 700p
We all saw it coming...the ignoring advice part. That is why I asked.
I do hope it shoots awesome for him.
The 700p is a great rifle and doubt people wouldn't recommend it. Hell I have one in 300wm that was made in 2024. Its a great gun. Added a badger dbm and a surefire muzzle device.
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Tikka and seekins blow these out of the water today. There’s 4 pages of thread here and not one person said “hey go get a factory 700”
Do they still have the jeweled bolts like the normal models or do the ps have the blued bolts
If op had mentioned possibility of a 700p then who knows. Most people dont know the 700p is actually being made today. I also dont agree about a tikka or seeking blowing it away . My 700p is almost as smooth as my tl3 build and was about 70% less money than I put in my custom.
For op usage it will do fine.
700p may not suck, but lets be real. It is not in the same discussion as an Origin/Proof build.
I agree it's not in the same leage, but it's a lot cheaper than just the original action and for the money, it is a heck of a shooter.
The last R700 I bought was in 2016 and it was a barreled action group buy from a popular gunsmith on this site that ran long-standing trued R700 group buys. I had all the bells and whistles done. Blue-printed, squared. Re-timing the bolt handle, side bolt release, bolt fluting, bushed firing pin, scope rail holes drilled out to 8-40, M16 extractor, pinned recoil lug, K&P barrel in 6.5x47L. whole deal cerakoted. Cost $1800 back then. They lost it in their work flow for a couple of weeks but once I called them they found it. When I finally got it, it had light strikes. I took it to a local smith and he disassembled the the bolt and it had so much cerakoted over spray in the bolt body it was inhibiting the firing pin. The feed ramp had a defect in it. A weird crack or wrinkle. It was a void. No fault to the group buy guy other than not catching it and doing something about it. I decided to remove the barrel one day to test some go/ no go gauges I purchased. I put the barrel back on and it didn't headspace. I took it back to the local guy and he looked at it. Then he showed me how loose the barrel was in the threads. The threads had been chased and the barrel was cut in a program and the result was a really loose thread fit so the headspace varied Everytime you would remove/ install the barrel.
That was $1800 in 2016'ish. Today you can buy an Origin for $900 and a Proof prefit for $650. You would be $250 ahead and the thing that you are going to shoot forever, the action has every bell and whistle I paid for, plus a superior action coating and swappable bolt faces. And it cycles like driving a luxury car vs that R700 cycling like driving a 2001 Chevy S10.
That was $1800 in 2016'ish. Today you can buy an Origin for $900 and a Proof prefit for $650. You would be $250 ahead and the thing that you are going to shoot forever, the action has every bell and whistle I paid for, plus a superior action coating and swappable bolt faces. And it cycles like driving a luxury car vs that R700 cycling like driving a 2001 Chevy S10.
Type a makes a clone of the mirs
Correct. Life can change over night bud. I'm just happy I can still get a rifle to go shoot.
You are insufferable just because he didn't do what you want or think is best doesn't mean he didn't listen and weigh what everyone said and chose a different route.
Well, you went from $3000 rifle to something more budget friendly, which I can understand. Life happens. Heck it’s happened to me with being out of work unexpectedly.
I will say that putting too much money in to the 700 is probably not a wise investment. I’d say upgrading the trigger is even questionable because you’d need one with a bolt release and custom actions don’t use the same, maybe a chassis is ok because you can reuse that, But I wouldn’t even suggest a remage barrel, I’d put that money toward your Original build.
I will say that putting too much money in to the 700 is probably not a wise investment. I’d say upgrading the trigger is even questionable because you’d need one with a bolt release and custom actions don’t use the same, maybe a chassis is ok because you can reuse that, But I wouldn’t even suggest a remage barrel, I’d put that money toward your Original build.
Yea i ended up really jacking up my hip when I was getting ready for the police academy a month before I was supposed to go. And just got a mri done and probably gonna have to get surgery so 2500 is a little out there for me right now. Especially because its a 12 week recovery afterwords so I won't be able to work if I do get it
Went to hard at the gym and tore my quad. Also tore the abductor tendon in my hip and tore it partially off the bone. Left the od shortly after and am still dealing with it
