Re: Man Facing Jail Time for Protecting His Property
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree Slapchop. In many of my posts I stress that it comes down to the citizen to affect change.
My question to you is why can't the police join with the citizens to help bring the change about quicker? Why don't the police unions in NY petition Mayor Bloomberg to cease his antigun agenda? How much more powerful would the voices of the citizens be if they were amplified by the constabulary as well? </div></div>
Who says that it doesn't already happen? Civil service unions regularly endorse elected officials who they think will better serve the citizens and the workers that they represent.</div></div>
Respectfully, endorsement of candidates is more as result of the preceeding horse trading and favour/benefits granting than a 'who's the best guy'.
However, if you can point me to examples of where the civil unions pushed for candidates or laws that were 2ndA friendly I'd appreciate it because right now, I've not been able to find any.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I can't speak for anywhere else but judges, DA's and elected officials have been removed from office or transferred to lesser positions due to union outcry.</div></div>
Have any of these actions been because of 2ndA issues? I recognize that unions have power, I'm interested in finding out if that power has ever been used to the benefit of the 2ndA.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as Bloomberg's agenda goes, myself and the majority of people I work with think he is severely misguided in his anti gun crusade but at the same time you can't totally blame the guy when every other day you get a
tragedy like this happening in some corner of the city.</div></div>
Well, I guess we're at the nub of it then aren't we. On the one hand you and others you work with have a perspective that is at odds with the laws you're tasked to enforce or policies that your boss' boss is persuing. At the same time, 'you see his point' in regards to the density and type of population living in NY and how being armed could make that situation worse. Again, where does this leave us, the citizens? There are crazies in NY. I know this for a fact as I go to NYC about 2 or 3 times a week. But I also know that there are probably many times more normal people there who are at the mercy of the crazies because they don't have a means of defending themselves beyond fists and feet. And we've seen how well the authorities regarding self-defense with even the tools God gave us at birth.
At the end of the day, it boils down to the same thing, you either love and support the Constitution or you don't. You can't say 'oh it's great if you're in the Prairies but it's not really workable in the cities'. It's the job of the elected and the enforcers to make it work rather than to dilute, abuse and ignore it for the sake of 'public safety'.
I want end this post by saying thanks to Slapchop and Graham for engaging in this. I'm not attacking or blaming the big picture on either of you at a personal level. I fully agree that the society and laws we have are as a result of the actions or in-action of all of us. I just want to bring these issues out to the surface so at least we can think things through a little better.