Mk 13 Mod 0 stock

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Possibly the PVS22 ran mostly with the Leupy’s

Yep. My understanding is that Crane provided a contract for 600 systems around 2004 for the following items:

600 McCann MIRS rails
600 Universal Night Sights (UNS) aka AN/PVS-22
600 Leupold Mk 4, 3.5-10x40mm scopes

These were initially for SOCOM (Ranger Regiment and SF groups) who got these for their M24s. Soon thereafter the Navy procured the McCann rails for the 'M700/300 WinMag sniper rifles' which apparently became the Mk 13 Mod 0/1s when the rails were standardized. My understanding is that the system with the PVS-22 was designed for the Leupold MK 4 scopes, at least back in the 2004 time period. Not sure about the timeline re PVS-27 and prospective use on Mk 13s, as the NF scopes are a bit longer than the Leupold, so I will will defer to others regarding that topic.
 
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Wish I could have kept that one! Glad it went to a good home.
Sometimes things just dont time out right. Glad you kept a few others and excited to see when yours start coming back. I mailed one out to RWS a few weeks ago, the stock I got at the same time you originally got the one above, and have been staging my other few to go out. Just been getting the last touches on everything.
 

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Sometimes things just dont time out right. Glad you kept a few others and excited to see when yours start coming back. I mailed one out to RWS a few weeks ago, the stock I got at the same time you originally got the one above, and have been staging my other few to go out. Just been getting the last touches on everything.
I think I'm more excited for some of yours to get finished than my own. Can't wait to see the latest!
 

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😆 It was only $5 more. I wasn’t gonna counter.. just figured I’d throw in a bid
All good. I had 5 booked marked. All G647/G64X/G674/G684/G693

I am patiently waiting for a G664 to match my case as much as possible. At the least a G66 would satisfy me.

I recently acquired a usasoc correct return salty NXS F1 H58 Mil-Spec scope and I’m angry at myself for not going clone correct in the first place HA, now I figured I’m doing a huge disservice to this rare piece, so I’m going full correct now.

Currently have a mil-C / usa / ATACR, mod 2/7 barrel profile,Dead Air KeyMo brake.

I feel like I’m on square one again ha.
 
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Still working on it I have a original mod3 take off barrel I already reversed all the measurements I have the cnc programs, and proper materials ready to go, family issues have gotten in the way over the past 6 months. When I get the project rolling I will offer turning the crown, barrel profile and collar heat fit and pinned to the barrel then final turned concentric to the bore center line just like crane did. They will not have the gate latch cuts so the suppressor can be properly fit and timed after final receiver threads and torque is completed by the gun smith.IMG_20201220_124200.jpgIMG_20201220_124211.jpgIMG_20201220_123501.jpg
 
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The gate cuts break into the barrel ( you can see the shadow of where the gate latch breaks into the barrel, crane final turned the collar to the bore center line after the collar was heat fit and pinned, the gate latch cuts and suppressor alignment pin were cut after the barrel was installed you can see the straw color on the back of the collar from when it was heat shrink fit to the barrel and the dowel pin was turned with the collar already fit
(seen by of the shadow of the collar retaining pin finished turned with the barrel).IMG_20201220_131138.jpgIMG_20201220_131150.jpgIMG_20201220_131204.jpg
 

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Someone on ARFCOM just posted pics of the Mod 5 he got back from Alan Brown. This barrel is absolute trash and nowhere near spec. Another example of 2.5 years and a ton of money down the drain.
Sorry for bringing up an old wound, but I just saw this and decided to make a confirming post about a similar experience. Unfortunately, my issue was back in 2011 with him and a pre-MK13-ish (aka - 700/300) rifle I had him build. This included a Crane-spec Lilja barrel, Clements-lug (the L-lug), and it went into a McMillan A5 instead of an A2 with a Badger M5 DBM. I also had him profile it for my OpsInc 3rd Model. I did this build thru Kevin O'Neill at HCS, who I sourced my 12th Model can from. Kevin was great thru the whole ordeal.

When I got the rifle 1/19/2012 (sent the parts to him July 2011, with an 8 week build promise since he "wasn't all that busy"), I was VERY disappointed. He insisted on making the lug instead of using one I had sourced directly from Crane years before when I was active duty. He offered to make things right, but I just did NOT trust him to touch it.

The lug was horribly not concentric to the receiver and when installed, wasn't correctly timed to 6-o'clock:
300wm_lug_bottom[1].jpg



When he bedded it, he bedded under the lug but not the recoil face (???) and there was no pillar for the lug bedding screw:
lug_no_pillar[1].jpg



The muzzle had nicks and dings:
muzzle_2[1].jpg


He installed the AI rail underneath with machine screws into the fiberglass instead of t-nuts and for whatever reason, he actually had the rail installed backwards, with the install-opening toward the muzzle (??):
forend_1[1].jpg

forend_2[1].jpg


And he made a bolt knob that threaded into the bolt handle instead of using the Badger knob I SENT HIM (his knob at top, Badger on bottom):
knobs[1].jpg



I took me about a month to fix everything but the lug. When I had Alex Sitman at Master Class Stocks re-bed it, he said it may or may not need to be re-clocked and it depended on how it bedded in. It ended up a solid 5/8-3/4 moa rifle, so I never changed it. When I sold the rifle, I gave the buyer the WHOLE story on it and also gave him the actual Crane lug, just in case he wanted to swap it:
300wm_can[1].jpg



Fast forward to 2017 and I had the itch to do another 300WM. This time, I had RW Snyder do it, much more as a custom build than a clone. Still with the OpsInc profile, and still with a Crane lug (I had another made to CAD drawings I did based on my original. This time in a Manners T4A and he used a CIP-length bottom metal and mags so I could chase lands ... LOL. I provided him a 721 action. His work is impeccable. This is a solid 1/2moa rifle with FGMM190 or my 208ELD-M loads:
Is5G2w5[1].jpg


So I am sorry you had your experience and the bad experiences others had. I know I had PMd a couple guys about AJ Brown and my issues with him based on a couple less-than-positive comments I made about having him do a MK13. I guess I should have made a general post, but didn't want to face accusations of liable and possibly damage his business from my one bad experience.
 

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Sorry for bringing up an old wound, but I just saw this and decided to make a confirming post about a similar experience. Unfortunately, my issue was back in 2011 with him and a pre-MK13-ish (aka - 700/300) rifle I had him build. This included a Crane-spec Lilja barrel, Clements-lug (the L-lug), and it went into a McMillan A5 instead of an A2 with a Badger M5 DBM. I also had him profile it for my OpsInc 3rd Model. I did this build thru Kevin O'Neill at HCS, who I sourced my 12th Model can from. Kevin was great thru the whole ordeal.

When I got the rifle 1/19/2012 (sent the parts to him July 2011, with an 8 week build promise since he "wasn't all that busy"), I was VERY disappointed. He insisted on making the lug instead of using one I had sourced directly from Crane years before when I was active duty. He offered to make things right, but I just did NOT trust him to touch it.

The lug was horribly not concentric to the receiver and when installed, wasn't correctly timed to 6-o'clock:
300wm_lug_bottom[1].jpg



When he bedded it, he bedded under the lug but not the recoil face (???) and there was no pillar for the lug bedding screw:
lug_no_pillar[1].jpg



The muzzle had nicks and dings:
muzzle_2[1].jpg


He installed the AI rail underneath with machine screws into the fiberglass instead of t-nuts and for whatever reason, he actually had the rail installed backwards, with the install-opening toward the muzzle (??):
forend_1[1].jpg

forend_2[1].jpg


And he made a bolt knob that threaded into the bolt handle instead of using the Badger knob I SENT HIM (his knob at top, Badger on bottom):
knobs[1].jpg



I took me about a month to fix everything but the lug. When I had Alex Sitman at Master Class Stocks re-bed it, he said it may or may not need to be re-clocked and it depended on how it bedded in. It ended up a solid 5/8-3/4 moa rifle, so I never changed it. When I sold the rifle, I gave the buyer the WHOLE story on it and also gave him the actual Crane lug, just in case he wanted to swap it:
300wm_can[1].jpg



Fast forward to 2017 and I had the itch to do another 300WM. This time, I had RW Snyder do it, much more as a custom build than a clone. Still with the OpsInc profile, and still with a Crane lug (I had another made to CAD drawings I did based on my original. This time in a Manners T4A and he used a CIP-length bottom metal and mags so I could chase lands ... LOL. I provided him a 721 action. His work is impeccable. This is a solid 1/2moa rifle with FGMM190 or my 208ELD-M loads:
Is5G2w5[1].jpg


So I am sorry you had your experience and the bad experiences others had. I know I had PMd a couple guys about AJ Brown and my issues with him based on a couple less-than-positive comments I made about having him do a MK13. I guess I should have made a general post, but didn't want to face accusations of liable and possibly damage his business from my one bad experience.
none of your pics came through
 

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Sorry for bringing up an old wound, but I just saw this and decided to make a confirming post about a similar experience. Unfortunately, my issue was back in 2011 with him and a pre-MK13-ish (aka - 700/300) rifle I had him build. This included a Crane-spec Lilja barrel, Clements-lug (the L-lug), and it went into a McMillan A5 instead of an A2 with a Badger M5 DBM. I also had him profile it for my OpsInc 3rd Model. I did this build thru Kevin O'Neill at HCS, who I sourced my 12th Model can from. Kevin was great thru the whole ordeal.

When I got the rifle 1/19/2012 (sent the parts to him July 2011, with an 8 week build promise since he "wasn't all that busy"), I was VERY disappointed. He insisted on making the lug instead of using one I had sourced directly from Crane years before when I was active duty. He offered to make things right, but I just did NOT trust him to touch it.

The lug was horribly not concentric to the receiver and when installed, wasn't correctly timed to 6-o'clock:
300wm_lug_bottom[1].jpg



When he bedded it, he bedded under the lug but not the recoil face (???) and there was no pillar for the lug bedding screw:
lug_no_pillar[1].jpg



The muzzle had nicks and dings:
muzzle_2[1].jpg


He installed the AI rail underneath with machine screws into the fiberglass instead of t-nuts and for whatever reason, he actually had the rail installed backwards, with the install-opening toward the muzzle (??):
forend_1[1].jpg

forend_2[1].jpg


And he made a bolt knob that threaded into the bolt handle instead of using the Badger knob I SENT HIM (his knob at top, Badger on bottom):
knobs[1].jpg



I took me about a month to fix everything but the lug. When I had Alex Sitman at Master Class Stocks re-bed it, he said it may or may not need to be re-clocked and it depended on how it bedded in. It ended up a solid 5/8-3/4 moa rifle, so I never changed it. When I sold the rifle, I gave the buyer the WHOLE story on it and also gave him the actual Crane lug, just in case he wanted to swap it:
300wm_can[1].jpg



Fast forward to 2017 and I had the itch to do another 300WM. This time, I had RW Snyder do it, much more as a custom build than a clone. Still with the OpsInc profile, and still with a Crane lug (I had another made to CAD drawings I did based on my original. This time in a Manners T4A and he used a CIP-length bottom metal and mags so I could chase lands ... LOL. I provided him a 721 action. His work is impeccable. This is a solid 1/2moa rifle with FGMM190 or my 208ELD-M loads:
Is5G2w5[1].jpg


So I am sorry you had your experience and the bad experiences others had. I know I had PMd a couple guys about AJ Brown and my issues with him based on a couple less-than-positive comments I made about having him do a MK13. I guess I should have made a general post, but didn't want to face accusations of liable and possibly damage his business from my one bad experience.
It's not your fault man, I wouldn't worry about it. There were plenty of other people singing his praises for a long time. USMCSGTS initial post on ARFCOM of a friends butchered mod 2 came shortly after I finally got my parts back after 3 years of nothing, but based on that a friend who also got a build back from him had it fixed up by Red Bull. I'm not sure what his specific rifle had issues with other than the barrel looking like it was contoured with a dremel, but he got it redone just to feel better.

But so much for that "legendary gunsmith" as some people in here and otherwise said even after the issues came to light. Maybe too much time on safari and not enough time actually doing his job.
 

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2x NightForce 5.5-22x56 Nav Spec marked(?) scopes
4x NF marked ring caps
OPS AWP Gen 1 PSR rings
Schmidt & Bender PSR with NSN and UID
Accuracy International early tanodized Mod 7 chassis
Surefire FH762RC 4 prong flash hider
Original Mod 0 stock and Mod 5 chassis
Probably an earlier Stiller Wylie, TX receiver with full bolt fluting
Correct serial number range Mod 0 and Mod 5 receivers
Everything built to exact specs

Museum quality builds with a fuck load of rare parts! Congrats!
 

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2x NightForce 5.5-22x56 Nav Spec marked(?) scopes
4x NF marked ring caps
OPS AWP Gen 1 PSR rings
Schmidt & Bender PSR with NSN and UID
Accuracy International early tanodized Mod 7 chassis
Surefire FH762RC 4 prong flash hider
Original Mod 0 stock and Mod 5 chassis
Probably an earlier Stiller Wylie, TX receiver with full bolt fluting
Correct serial number range Mod 0 and Mod 5 receivers
Everything built to exact specs

Museum quality builds with a fuck load of rare parts! Congrats!
Thanks, man. I couldn't be happier with them. The Mod 3 is up next!

So, do you have a favorite?
It's really hard to say. They each have their own qualities that I enjoy. The Mod 7 has really grown on me, though. Here's a couple more of that one.
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Well, I'm officially out of Mk13 Mod 0 stocks! Thank you everyone who bought a stock (or a dozen)! It was a lot of fun being able to meet collectors and talk about these amazing pieces of history!

If you've got a Mk13 built with one of these original stocks, post a few pics for us to enjoy!
 

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Well, I'm officially out of Mk13 Mod 0 stocks! Thank you everyone who bought a stock (or a dozen)! It was a lot of fun being able to meet collectors and talk about these amazing pieces of history!

If you've got a Mk13 built with one of these original stocks, post a few pics for us to enjoy!
Appreciate everyone in the community for sharing their experience & knowledge bringing these stocks back to life . I’ll have 2 built this year! Still need glass though, lol
 
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Well, I'm officially out of Mk13 Mod 0 stocks! Thank you everyone who bought a stock (or a dozen)! It was a lot of fun being able to meet collectors and talk about these amazing pieces of history!

If you've got a Mk13 built with one of these original stocks, post a few pics for us to enjoy!
Posted earlier in this thread but here's a bump in hopes a few others post their latest and greatest
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Well, I'm officially out of Mk13 Mod 0 stocks! Thank you everyone who bought a stock (or a dozen)! It was a lot of fun being able to meet collectors and talk about these amazing pieces of history!

If you've got a Mk13 built with one of these original stocks, post a few pics for us to enjoy!
 

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On the mod 5’s I see people run 1.125” (a107) and 1.265” (a108)

to my knowledge the 1.265”s are correct as they were purposely made, so that the NF optic would co-witness the PVS-30 clip on night vision. 1.265” is not made in 34mm either.

1.125”s do look sleeker.

is it kosher to use either? Or no
 
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On the mod 5’s I see people run 1.125” (a107) and 1.265” (a108)

to my knowledge the 1.265”s are correct as they were purposely made, so that the NF optic would co-witness the PVS-30 clip on night vision. 1.265” is not made in 34mm either.

1.125”s do look sleeker.

is it kosher to use either? Or no
The IPB shows 1.125 NF Ultralights.
 

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We need to scooby doo and the gang the information on these rings. Ha! I need to purchase a set before my MK13 gets back from Red Bull
 

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We need to scooby doo and the gang the information on these rings. Ha! I need to purchase a set before my MK13 gets back from Red Bull
I literally just posted info from the technical repair standard. Not sure what "scooby doo" means, but the rings issued with the Remington Mk13 were 1.125".