More Leftists are Joining SH of Late, Concerning or Benign?

[vh20]

This is not an exclusive thing to Left or Right....I have noticed that anyone who doesn't drink from the fountain of Trump or slide way Right is automatically a Commie or Socialist/Leftist here at The Hide but that's just part of the lay of the land.

I'm amused when people here discover that Leftists and Socialists are not automatically anti gun/anti 2A and it just enrages them. Sad truth, and maybe it's because of my geographic location or my age, I know more Democrats and Socialists that own guns and train regularly than I do Right Thinking/Republicans.

I was raised by a decorated combat veteran who was a Union Stewart most of his life and a die hard Democrat that raised 7 kids (abortion is murder to he and my mother) and taught me to shoot and instilled a life long love of firearms and taught me the meaning and significance of the 2A. My Wife is a Life long Democrat, daughter of an Iowa farmer whose father (my FIL) was a life long Democrat and shared my love of guns and taught me to hand load.

It's a tough world when everything is binary - like Dems or Republicans - Left vs Right.

Not one fucking thing in Life is that simple unless yer not very bright.

VooDoo

I believe your post is genuine, and this isn't meant as an attack. But just WHO IS the Leftist, Socialist, or just plain old Democrat Pro 2A candidate that is going to defend that Constitutional right, and that these Democrat and Socialist gun-loving folks you speak of can vote for with confidence that they won't return the favor by passing more gun control laws? DRACONIAN gun control laws, in fact, if the sudden lurch seen in VA and now AZ is any barometer?

And, this is not directed towards you at all, but rather the type of posters the OP is describing: That is the question they will NEVER answer, no matter how many times you ask them, because they can't: "If Trump is the Devil you claim he is, who did YOU vote for?" Or, "Who are you going to vote for?'

 

[theLBC]

Hell, just look at the examples we have right in front of us. Cities that used to embody the American dream are drowning in squalor. Booked your trip to San Francisco yet? Maybe a stay in lovely detroit. Visit the arch in wonderful St.Lois. How about Baltimore, where you can just "get it out of your system". How much better was your world under the leadership of BHO? I am in full agreement with you. Name ONE place of any size currently under complete democrat control that is improving. Hell, look what happened in D.C. back in '08 when the dems had full control. What did the country get. Bank bailouts, cash for clunkers, and the leading edge of obamacare, a bunch of minimum wage jobs, and free cell phones(for some).

Warren basically admitted that the democrats only pander to black folks when they need votes, and have never actually tried to help anyone but themselves. Of course she says this time with her will be different.
You'd think that cities under democrat rule for 50 years would have figured it out.

WATCH: Warren Suggests Blacks Only Matter To Democrats During Elections – True Pundit

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truepundit.com

 

[Marinevet1]

If I had a tantrum when I was a kid, I got the fuck beat out of me!

I'm with you......grew up with a brother, and a sister......had a single mother........late 50's.......60's...........when I fucked up.......it was drop the jeans.........a belt on the tidy whities.......mom wasn't a big woman, but she could swing a belt.......

 

[theLBC]

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Ban him.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

And, this is not directed towards you at all, but rather the type of posters the OP is describing: That is the question they will NEVER answer, no matter how many times you ask them, because they can't: "If Trump is the Devil you claim he is, who did YOU vote for?" Or, "Who are you going to vote for?'

I'll try....basically your question is "Why did you vote for anyone other than Trump?" isn't it?

First off. half the people in the US don't vote, won't vote - because it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because it's rigged that we only get 2 choices...we get Team Red or we get Team Blue. No other viable options...yer either all in for Team Red and their platform or yer all in for Team Blue and their platform which is strategically different than the Other Guys.

It's rigged, it fruitless. If one votes for Team Blue to get SS, Medicare, Single payer healthcare, and womens rights they know they are gonna give up their guns and the unborn will be murdered. If they vote Red to stop the baby murder and keep their guns, they forfeit any amount of social engineering and watch as their neighbors continue to lose their homes because of 1/2 million $ medical bills at 65.

Both side have strategically aligned themselves (accident? No Way...) to balance it out and cheat/fleece/enslave the American Worker.

We get two choice and both of them suck - vote how ya want. Or don't. This is how my half of the US thinks.

So the other half that *does* vote is split neatly in half - half are Team Red, and half are Team Blue. either way, if we have Team Red in office/control or if we have Team Blue in control only 25% of the potential electorate has their POV recognized. If we can't vote Blue, we have only one choice - Red. If we can't vote Red, we have only one choice - Blue. Either way I only get a fraction of what I want.

Most of the people I know who voted Blue do so because they think their mom is gonna keep her SS or get single payer healthcare and if they are gun owners they either consider their loss of firearms remote or will deal with it "later" because their family needs relief *NOW* and keeping our guns won;t matter if we end up living on the street because we lost our home to medical bills.

That's my take on it. It's our Government that needs fixed ASAP. And we get two choices - shit or less shit. Choose wisely.

VooDoo

 

[deersniper]

Welfare has its place. Anyone can lose a job and need help to get back on their feet. For ex. what if you get hurt, cant work, lose your job and now no income all the while the med bills are piling up. This person may need a helping hand getting squared away.

Another welfare Idea that "seems" like it might be a good idea. We have a huge problem with absentee fathers. Also, anyone who ever paid for daycare knows damn well that the cost of even two kids in daycare would eat up every dime of a single moms wage working a low pay job. Spare me the "it was her choice to have kids". It is true; but that's a different conversation. I think I could get behind giving this single mom free daycare while she is either working and/or going to college to get the education she needs to start making some better $$$.

Uneducated single mothers are really in a STUCK situation where working and paying daycare gets them a net ZERO $$$ and takes the only parent away from the kids most of the day. Bad for kids. Access to free daycare while working or going to school may be able to take these STUCK moms and turn them into tax payers with pride of ownership. Keep in mind that daycare isn't forever either.

Think about how much a welfare mom with a few kids soaks the system while giving back nothing. Wouldn't it make more sense to use that $$$ to pay for the kids daycare and allow the mom to work or go to school? So she can gain either experience and/or get the education need to make more $$$? Sitting at home she gains neither education nor experience.

Bullshit.

People used to save money for if they get sick or injured. Now they have apps to get paid the same day you work so you can spend EveryThing you make immediately.

And yeah they should keep their legs closed it’s not my financial responsibility for their rats they keep making.

.gov has no authority to do any of this. Add on we used to have church’s/charities to handle this. .gov wants them all out of business


Can’t you see .gov is never the answer? They want everyone dependent on that taxpayer tit they control

 

[deersniper]

And lol at giving the welfare mom more free shit is gonna make her be productive. That’s as dumb as the people that think running mass transit to nice areas will turn the animals into good people ^

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

The questions were:
If Trump is the devil you claim he is.....
1. Who did YOU vote for?
2. Who are you going to vote for?

Then you changed his questions and went on some diatribe to justify your democrap friends and ideals.
You quoted vh20. He directly states "this is the question they will never answer" and that's exactly what you did.

I'll try....basically your question is "Why did you vote for anyone other than Trump?" isn't it?

First off. half the people in the US don't vote, won't vote - because it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because it's rigged that we only get 2 choices...we get Team Red or we get Team Blue. No other viable options...yer either all in for Team Red and their platform or yer all in for Team Blue and their platform which is strategically different than the Other Guys.

It's rigged, it fruitless. If one votes for Team Blue to get SS, Medicare, Single payer healthcare, and womens rights they know they are gonna give up their guns and the unborn will be murdered. If they vote Red to stop the baby murder and keep their guns, they forfeit any amount of social engineering and watch as their neighbors continue to lose their homes because of 1/2 million $ medical bills at 65.

Both side have strategically aligned themselves (accident? No Way...) to balance it out and cheat/fleece/enslave the American Worker.

We get two choice and both of them suck - vote how ya want. Or don't. This is how my half of the US thinks.

So the other half that *does* vote is split neatly in half - half are Team Red, and half are Team Blue. either way, if we have Team Red in office/control or if we have Team Blue in control only 25% of the potential electorate has their POV recognized. If we can't vote Blue, we have only one choice - Red. If we can't vote Red, we have only one choice - Blue. Either way I only get a fraction of what I want.

Most of the people I know who voted Blue do so because they think their mom is gonna keep her SS or get single payer healthcare and if they are gun owners they either consider their loss of firearms remote or will deal with it "later" because their family needs relief *NOW* and keeping our guns won;t matter if we end up living on the street because we lost our home to medical bills.

That's my take on it. It's our Government that needs fixed ASAP. And we get two choices - shit or less shit. Choose wisely.

VooDoo

Too funny

 

[deersniper]

I'll try....basically your question is "Why did you vote for anyone other than Trump?" isn't it?

First off. half the people in the US don't vote, won't vote - because it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because it's rigged that we only get 2 choices...we get Team Red or we get Team Blue. No other viable options...yer either all in for Team Red and their platform or yer all in for Team Blue and their platform which is strategically different than the Other Guys.

It's rigged, it fruitless. If one votes for Team Blue to get SS, Medicare, Single payer healthcare, and womens rights they know they are gonna give up their guns and the unborn will be murdered. If they vote Red to stop the baby murder and keep their guns, they forfeit any amount of social engineering and watch as their neighbors continue to lose their homes because of 1/2 million $ medical bills at 65.

Both side have strategically aligned themselves (accident? No Way...) to balance it out and cheat/fleece/enslave the American Worker.

We get two choice and both of them suck - vote how ya want. Or don't. This is how my half of the US thinks.

So the other half that *does* vote is split neatly in half - half are Team Red, and half are Team Blue. either way, if we have Team Red in office/control or if we have Team Blue in control only 25% of the potential electorate has their POV recognized. If we can't vote Blue, we have only one choice - Red. If we can't vote Red, we have only one choice - Blue. Either way I only get a fraction of what I want.

Most of the people I know who voted Blue do so because they think their mom is gonna keep her SS or get single payer healthcare and if they are gun owners they either consider their loss of firearms remote or will deal with it "later" because their family needs relief *NOW* and keeping our guns won;t matter if we end up living on the street because we lost our home to medical bills.

That's my take on it. It's our Government that needs fixed ASAP. And we get two choices - shit or less shit. Choose wisely.

VooDoo

Ah yes. Healthcare. Another thing .gov has ruined but the lemmings say yes massa we need more .gov. JFC.

Same with college. Wouldn’t have an of these issues if a college loan wasn’t guaranteed and you had to explain to the banker how it would pay for itself/you would pay it back

 

[E. Bryant]

A few thoughts:

- For all the bitching that the right does about leftist "snowflakes", we sure as hell don't tolerate well any dissent in our own echo chamber.

- As many already pointed out before me, true "hard" leftists are a small (but vocal) minority of Democratic voters. Considering this, and also considering the demographic trends in this country (we ain't making any more old white conservative males), it would be wise to consider reaching across the aisle once in a while in search of moderates on the other side.

- Anyone who cannot logically argue for the virtues of conservatism without resorting to insults or name-calling really just needs to shut the fuck up, because you're actively hurting the cause. Well, unless you want conservatives to become a permanent minority. In that case, keep it up!

- You're not changing a single mind by posting here, or on the opposition's own sites, or on the Twitter or the Facebook. You change minds the same way it's always been done - via rational thought (seasoned with the occasionally emotional appeal), delivered in person to someone who has reasonable doubts of their own position.

Boiled down to its essence - find local moderates, talk to them like a fellow human, take them shooting. Don't worry about the wackjobs on this site or any other; they are not your concern, and constantly overreacting to them degrades your ability to win over others to our side.

 

[Maser]

Once again, proof that cancel culture doesn't just exist on the Left. I get that the Hide is well known for it's hazing when new members join. Lord knows I know all about it when I joined back in 2006. However, back then was a different time. We weren't living in the times of everyone being shut down for having a difference in opinion. I'm not sure what certain folks here's definition of a "Leftist" is, but I can say not liking Trump is NOT just a Leftist view. Didn't Lowlight say countless times already that it's not his job here to babysit a bunch of bitches who can't be adult and ignore the people they don't like? If this faggotry keeps up guess what's gonna happen? Lowlight is eventually gonna say fuck it and make political talk banned again here.

 

[pmclaine]

Once again, proof that cancel culture doesn't just exist on the Left. I get that the Hide is well known for it's hazing when new members join. Lord knows I know all about it when I joined back in 2006. However, back then was a different time. We weren't living in the times of everyone being shut down for having a difference in opinion. I'm not sure what certain folks here's definition of a "Leftist" is, but I can say not liking Trump is NOT just a Leftist view. Didn't Lowlight say countless times already that it's not his job here to babysit a bunch of bitches who can't be adult and ignore the people they don't like? If this faggotry keeps up guess what's gonna happen? Lowlight is eventually gonna say fuck it and make political talk banned again here.

Flat earther!

 

[Bullfrog08]

I'm not Left nor Right and I am certainly not intimidated to state my views nor does it make me upset to hear views that I disagree with. That said there are some folks that cannot have a discussion on *anything* without being a dick when you tell them something they don't like, don't believe, or can't understand.

This is not an exclusive thing to Left or Right....I have noticed that anyone who doesn't drink from the fountain of Trump or slide way Right is automatically a Commie or Socialist/Leftist here at The Hide but that's just part of the lay of the land.

I will say that I have never had so many people on ignore as I have here....then again this forum has more talented and opinionated people than any other forum I frequent so if I read posts that just waste my time because of ignornace, rudeness, stupidity, or bias and it happens over and over I just put 'em on ignore and we all rest better.

As has already been stated - no one discusses anything any more. We all have our point and there is little room for enlightenment or changing anyone's mind. No sense getting into a pissing match. Just fucking ignore dumb fucks and everybody is happy Left, Right, Religious, Stupid, Happy, Ignorant or whatever. I'm amused when people here discover that Leftists and Socialists are not automatically anti gun/anti 2A and it just enrages them. Sad truth, and maybe it's because of my geographic location or my age, I know more Democrats and Socialists that own guns and train regularly than I do Right Thinking/Republicans. I was raised by a decorated combat veteran who was a Union Stewart most of his life and a die hard Democrat that raised 7 kids (abortion is murder to he and my mother) and taught me to shoot and instilled a life long love of firearms and taught me the meaning and significance of the 2A. My Wife is a Life long Democrat, daughter of an Iowa farmer whose father (my FIL) was a life long Democrat and shared my love of guns and taught me to hand load.

It's a tough world when everything is binary - like Dems or Republicans - Left vs Right.

Not one fucking thing in Life is that simple unless yer not very bright.

VooDoo

The "Ignore" button sounds pretty "Binary" to me. If you don't like their view or their "commie" insults, you put them on ignore? What if you are called a "fantastic 2nd amendment righty"......is that also an insult? Does that earn the same "ignore button"?

I guess I see the ignore button as a means to remove views or comments I don't agree with. I am ok with all views, because I assume I might learn something. If I don't take that approach I would kind of consider myself a supporter of one side. I definitely live my life in a more conservative way, but I also agree with some leftist views. If I ignored one side or the other, I am pretty sure that would make more binary to one view point, no?

 

[pmclaine]

The "Ignore" button sounds pretty "Binary" to me. If you don't like their view or their "commie" insults, you put them on ignore? What if you are called a "fantastic 2nd amendment righty"......is that also an insult? Does that earn the same "ignore button"?

I guess I see the ignore button as a means to remove views or comments I don't agree with. I am ok with all views, because I assume I might learn something. If I don't take that approach I would kind of consider myself a supporter of one side. I definitely live my life in a more conservative way, but I also agree with some leftist views. If I ignored one side or the other, I am pretty sure that would make more binary to one view point, no?

Fears Commitments!

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

The "Ignore" button sounds pretty "Binary" to me. If you don't like their view or their "commie" insults, you put them on ignore? What if you are called a "fantastic 2nd amendment righty"......is that also an insult? Does that earn the same "ignore button"?

I guess I see the ignore button as a means to remove views or comments I don't agree with. I am ok with all views, because I assume I might learn something. If I don't take that approach I would kind of consider myself a supporter of one side. I definitely live my life in a more conservative way, but I also agree with some leftist views. If I ignored one side or the other, I am pretty sure that would make more binary to one view point, no?

I'm OK with all views. I'm very tolerant. I put people on ignore who's posts are a waste of fucking time reading them over, and over, and over.....

I adore discussion and I actually like people with other points of view because I try to learn and understand everyday. I don't know everything so I'm happy to hang out at places like this where there are people with different perspectives and can offer explanaitions about stuff I don't know about. But I'm not fucking stupid and I know what my IQ is....I know what I don't know and seek that information and perspective.

I ignore folks who are a waste of fucking time reading their drivel. About the 10th time I read posts from an individual that are just plain blatantly rude, wrong (I also know what I know) insulting, combative, ad hominem, or understand that we are no longer "discussing" but I'm just witnessing an ignorant rant or blatant Hate, bias, and misinformation I fucking hit the "Ignore" button and save myself a lot of time wading thru shit that has no value.

Lots of very smart folks here - also a lot of waste of skin. Same as RL. I might be either/or or both depending on one's perspective.

VooDoo

 

[MtnCreek]

 

[vh20]

I'll try....basically your question is "Why did you vote for anyone other than Trump?" isn't it?

First off. half the people in the US don't vote, won't vote - because it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because it's rigged that we only get 2 choices...we get Team Red or we get Team Blue. No other viable options...yer either all in for Team Red and their platform or yer all in for Team Blue and their platform which is strategically different than the Other Guys.

It's rigged, it fruitless. If one votes for Team Blue to get SS, Medicare, Single payer healthcare, and womens rights they know they are gonna give up their guns and the unborn will be murdered. If they vote Red to stop the baby murder and keep their guns, they forfeit any amount of social engineering and watch as their neighbors continue to lose their homes because of 1/2 million $ medical bills at 65.

Both side have strategically aligned themselves (accident? No Way...) to balance it out and cheat/fleece/enslave the American Worker.

We get two choice and both of them suck - vote how ya want. Or don't. This is how my half of the US thinks.

So the other half that *does* vote is split neatly in half - half are Team Red, and half are Team Blue. either way, if we have Team Red in office/control or if we have Team Blue in control only 25% of the potential electorate has their POV recognized. If we can't vote Blue, we have only one choice - Red. If we can't vote Red, we have only one choice - Blue. Either way I only get a fraction of what I want.

Most of the people I know who voted Blue do so because they think their mom is gonna keep her SS or get single payer healthcare and if they are gun owners they either consider their loss of firearms remote or will deal with it "later" because their family needs relief *NOW* and keeping our guns won;t matter if we end up living on the street because we lost our home to medical bills.

That's my take on it. It's our Government that needs fixed ASAP. And we get two choices - shit or less shit. Choose wisely.

VooDoo

No, I stated my question - WHO IS someone on the Left/Socialist/Democrat side that you can vote for with confidence that they won't take your 2A rights away? (I think we all know the answer is no one, unless you can name someone I haven't thought of). That implies another question, though: If there isn't anyone, how can you be a 2A supporter and vote for someone who isn't?

Your answer as I understand it is that they vote for "free" healthcare and more .gov solutions to every problem and consider they will deal with their loss of firearms "later." Once they are disarmed, how do you propose they're going to do that? Think about it. The point is that all the other Rights we take for granted are guaranteed by the 2A. If you give that up, you have nothing left to ensure you will get any of those other things you gave it up for. And by the way, the OVERWHELMING majority of leftists/socialists and people who vote Democrat are in NO danger of losing their home to medical bills, so I don't believe that's a valid reason for enough people to move the needle at all. The lure of "free stuff", however...

Anyway, I appreciate your taking the time to take a swing at it. Whereas, I believe your answer to be genuine, it is in contrast to the type of people the OP is talking about in the thread title.
Thanks

 

[EternusVigilantia]

There are idiot children in both camps. Just use your head, if it’s not polite don’t say it. Or if you are going to sling an insult figure out an intelligent way to do so.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

If there isn't anyone, how can you be a 2A supporter and vote for someone who isn't?

Because we get 2 choices and if you can't vote Red then you vote Blue...are are you implying that every issue, the only issue is guns?

'Cause it's not only one issue for 3/4 of the population. We have more than one problem to be resolved by only 2 choices both choices being diametrically opposed by design. We vote Red or Blue or we throw our vote away. The people you tell me are going to protect my gun rights are the same folks that want to gut SS. The people you tell me *ALL* want to take my guns and murder the unborn are the ones who want to (say they want to) protect and secure SS and fix healthcare.

I get 2 choices. Neither one fits. This is why voter turnout is so low (in my opinion) and The Republic is suffering/declining. Most of the people I know, Red or Blue, think we are fucked and it's not an accident. The Republic has been duped and swindled by our Government and I do not believe any politicians, Red or Blue, will allow themselves to be held accountable.

My confusion is that while we are all hating on our neighbor (Red or Blue) and making it "US vs Them" we are fragmenting and alienating the very folks we need to keep our Rights.



The problem is the Government - not yer Libtard neighbor and not yer MAGA neighbor. The Government want guns first - due process afterwards. It's not Red vs Blue. It's US vs The Gov. Sorry for the rant.

VooDoo

 

[Rthur]

Because we get 2 choices and if you can't vote Red then you vote Blue...are are you implying that every issue, the only issue is guns?

'Cause it's not only one issue for 3/4 of the population. We have more than one problem to be resolved by only 2 choices both choices being diametrically opposed by design. We vote Red or Blue or we throw our vote away. The people you tell me are going to protect my gun rights are the same folks that want to gut SS. The people you tell me *ALL* want to take my guns and murder the unborn are the ones who want to (say they want to) protect and secure SS and fix healthcare.

I get 2 choices. Neither one fits. This is why voter turnout is so low (in my opinion) and The Republic is suffering/declining. Most of the people I know, Red or Blue, think we are fucked and it's not an accident. The Republic has been duped and swindled by our Government and I do not believe any politicians, Red or Blue, will allow themselves to be held accountable.

My confusion is that while we are all hating on our neighbor (Red or Blue) and making it "US vs Them" we are fragmenting and alienating the very folks we need to keep our Rights.



The problem is the Government - not yer Libtard neighbor and not yer MAGA neighbor. The Government want guns first - due process afterwards. It's not Red vs Blue. It's US vs The Gov. Sorry for the rant.

VooDoo

False conclusions.
The blue team opened the purse strings and gutted the SS.
Health care isn't your neighbors responsibility to pay for.
Us vs Them is the core and foundation of the Blue team's platform.
Funny we have a guy while less than perfect that isn't really a blue or red team member.
Strange how he is still hated all the same.

R

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Agreed. Your solution or thoughts on why people do what they do?

VooDoo

 

[phlegethon]

Health care isn't your neighbors responsibility to pay for.

Every modern society disagrees with this. The cost of healthcare is far beyond almost any individual’s ability to pay. A brief hospitalization costs tens of thousands of dollars. A major illness will typically cost hundreds of thousands and can easily go much higher. The only way to have advanced medical care is to spread the cost over the healthy population. That is what medical insurance does. That’s true whether it’s provided privately or by the government.

Even if you wanted to go to some Dickensian system where it’s cash only or die, and only the upper 1% could afford any care, in that system (which no one is voting for BTW) all the hospitals would close and there would be no market to develop any drugs or devices.

 

[Rthur]

Solutions for emotional driven voting is a moving target.
Promises of social "justice", "programs" are just another form of bait.
Until one realizes the promises have a halflife of election day they'll be mislead.
One important fact that consistently is missed, government has proven they aren't the answer/solution to
any question.

R

 

[MtnCreek]

Every modern society disagrees with this. The cost of healthcare is far beyond almost any individual’s ability to pay. A brief hospitalization costs tens of thousands of dollars. A major illness will typically cost hundreds of thousands and can easily go much higher. The only way to have advanced medical care is to spread the cost over the healthy population. That is what medical insurance does. That’s true whether it’s provided privately or by the government.

Even if you wanted to go to some Dickensian system where it’s cash only or die, and only the upper 1% could afford any care, in that system (which no one is voting for BTW) all the hospitals would close and there would be no market to develop any drugs or devices.

Did you miss the word "responsibility"? That's the difference. It's whether you choose to participate or you're forced to.

 

[Rthur]

Every modern society disagrees with this. The cost of healthcare is far beyond almost any individual’s ability to pay. A brief hospitalization costs tens of thousands of dollars. A major illness will typically cost hundreds of thousands and can easily go much higher. The only way to have advanced medical care is to spread the cost over the healthy population. That is what medical insurance does. That’s true whether it’s provided privately or by the government.

Even if you wanted to go to some Dickensian system where it’s cash only or die, and only the upper 1% could afford any care, in that system (which no one is voting for BTW) all the hospitals would close and there would be no market to develop any drugs or devices.

I'd guess you work in said system?
Using every modern society as a benchmark doesn't add credence to your argument.
They are being taxed to pay for those who've added zero to this system.
In Europe the abject failures are listed weekly.
Scare tactics of either all or nothing should be left to the politicians.
After rereading your post it sounds like we are talking about two different things.
Above was quoted NHS version not insured.


R

 

[phlegethon]

I'd guess you work in said system?
Using every modern society as a benchmark doesn't add credence to your argument.
They are being taxed to pay for those who've added zero to this system.
In Europe the abject failures are listed weekly.
Scare tactics of either all or nothing should be left to the politicians.


R

I do, and I realize that no one here is going to have their mind changed by anything anyone else writes. I’m just pointing out the economic impracticality of everyone paying for their own healthcare. That’s not the way it works, it hasn’t worked that way for our lifetimes, and we are no more likely to go back to that than to reinstate slavery.

 

[davsco]

since when did shooting lefty become a crime!!?? the only crime is i have way less rifles available to suit me.

 

[Rthur]

I do, and I realize that no one here is going to have their mind changed by anything anyone else writes. I’m just pointing out the economic impracticality of everyone paying for their own healthcare. That’s not the way it works, it hasn’t worked that way for our lifetimes, and we are no more likely to go back to that than to reinstate slavery.

Insurance, voluntarily, isn't a problem.
Instituting forced participation is.
Lol, bringing an emotional subject in to bolster an opinion.
This is the direction of my responce to the post you quoted me from,
National/single payer system.

R

 

[Darayavaus]

I really hate when people refer to Constitutionalists as "right wing" and socialists as "liberals"

It is the product of 60 years of socialists in media and education trying to redefine the argument by changing the meaning of words in order to whitewash their goals.

Our founding fathers, who wrote the Bill of rights and were afraid of standing armies to the point of making sure every citizen was able to own a gun and defend their freedom against bad government, were liberals. Classical liberals. Constitutionalists are classical liberals. We are not "right wing". We are the only group in human history who felt that power - even the ultimate power from a gun - should reside in the citizens and not in their rulers. And that overreaching government SHOULD fear. But that the citizens should never be in fear and apprehension about their representatives. That is the ultimate freaking "liberal" assertion. Nothing else comes close.

Progressives, democrats, socialists, communists, whatever you want to call them, are totalitarians. They are the total opposite of "liberal". They are Marx-Leninists, Stalinists, and they could even be called Nazis except for 2 outliers - Nazis want to kill people because of race, while international socialists want to eliminate them based on class, and Nazis were small with their goals - they were nationalist socialists - while the other ones want the entire world to conform to their socialist totalitarianism.

so no, you can't use the enemies definitions if you want to argue with them.

 

[Darayavaus]

as far as political parties, the socialists have already announced that they are against everything the Constitution stands for. So I know who they are and what they want.

The Republicans may lie, betray principles, and not fight as hard as I'd like, but to some extent they are true to our ideals.

The independent parties are vote siphons who run candidates that allow socialists to get elected when constitutionalists have such high minded and lofty ideals that they won't compromise to vote for a republican.

As the old saying goes, "stick to the devil you know"

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know." - Kipling

 

[rjacobs]

Democrats want to "keep the babies safe"

The fuck you say?

They say "its for the children" out of one side of their mouth and out of the other they advocate for at "best" partial birth abortion and at "worst" infanticide...

So, the dems cant have it both ways... If they are "for the children" then they need to be all in "for the children".

And im not trying to bring into a pro-life/pro-choice debate here...

 

[phlegethon]

they advocate for at "best" partial birth abortion and at "worst" infanticide...

Nobody is advocating for infanticide. These ridiculous caricatures of the other side are really not helpful. I think most people who post here really need to spend less time on the internet.

And im not trying to bring into a pro-life/pro-choice debate here...

Could have fooled me. I’m not sure what the fuck abortion has to do with guns, but a lot of people here seem to want to bring it into the conversation every chance they get. Don’t be surprised when your political allies dwindle.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Nobody is advocating for infanticide. These ridiculous caricatures of the other side are really not helpful. I think most people who post here really need to spend less time on the internet.

Have you actually studied the latest laws in NY that they are so proud of?
It pretty much legalizes infanticide in everything but name.

The reason we mention abortion is the gun banners tirelessly use the "for the children" and "if it only saves the life of a child".
Well when you are fine killing off tens of thousands of what would otherwise be healthy children for "convenience", "choice" or "economic issues", well then you have no right to talk about wanting to curtail my rights to guns because of "the children".

 

[rjacobs]

Nobody is advocating for infanticide. These ridiculous caricatures of the other side are really not helpful. I think most people who post here really need to spend less time on the internet.


Could have fooled me. I’m not sure what the fuck abortion has to do with guns, but a lot of people here seem to want to bring it into the conversation every chance they get. Don’t be surprised when your political allies dwindle.

im more pro choice than pro life simply from a government shouldnt be involved perspective...

I was simply trying to point out the hypocrisy from the left when they always tout "its for the children" yet they are also for being able to kill un-born children... IMO you cant have it both ways. You either care about ALL CHILDREN or you dont...


ETA: im also an all or nothing 2a advocate... I hate milk toast fudd's... You are either for the 2a or against the 2a... there is no "im for this, but not for that"... I got no fucking time for you because you are in favor of fucking me...just like the NRA...

 

[wade2big]

Because we get 2 choices and if you can't vote Red then you vote Blue...are are you implying that every issue, the only issue is guns?

'Cause it's not only one issue for 3/4 of the population. We have more than one problem to be resolved by only 2 choices both choices being diametrically opposed by design. We vote Red or Blue or we throw our vote away. The people you tell me are going to protect my gun rights are the same folks that want to gut SS. The people you tell me *ALL* want to take my guns and murder the unborn are the ones who want to (say they want to) protect and secure SS and fix healthcare.

VooDoo

Holy crap!!!
Social Security needs to be gone. Period. If you want to force someone to save at gunpoint then at least have the decency to put it in a personal account to where you get what you pay. I also hear people cry about "but I paid". It has to be done away with at some point. I paid and am paying as well. All social programs need to go.

Do not think for a second that the Democrats want to fix healthcare. They are the ones who destroyed healthcare. It was affordable until Obamacare. They are completely to blame for this mess. They did it on purpose and even flat out lied about the program saving families money. They did it to raise costs to unsustainable levels to allow the government a complete takeover in order to "save the day." Advocating open borders and advocating free everything helps neither of the two causes you mentioned.

You vote red and you may not always be right, but you vote blue then you are flat wrong always.

 

[vh20]

The people you tell me are going to protect my gun rights are the same folks that want to gut SS. The people you tell me *ALL* want to take my guns and murder the unborn are the ones who want to (say they want to) protect and secure SS and fix healthcare.

VooDoo

Well, no - instead of telling you they *ALL* want to take away your guns, I've asked you (this would be the third time) WHO IS one who doesn't. You haven't been able to name one, so I have to assume you agree with me on that, right?

As for gutting SS, the Democrats already did that years ago.

 

[vh20]

Nobody is advocating for infanticide. These ridiculous caricatures of the other side are really not helpful. I think most people who post here really need to spend less time on the internet.

I believe there is video of Gov/Dr Ralph Northam describing the killing of a newborn baby in what he considers to be an acceptable manner. Ridiculous - yes. Caricature - hardly.

And, how do you distinguish between infanticide and partial birth abortion anyway? Because that’s pretty much a Party platform now.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

But just WHO IS the Leftist, Socialist, or just plain old Democrat Pro 2A candidate that is going to defend that Constitutional right, and that these Democrat and Socialist gun-loving folks you speak of can vote for with confidence that they won't return the favor by passing more gun control laws?

And, this is not directed towards you at all, but rather the type of posters the OP is describing: That is the question they will NEVER answer, no matter how many times you ask them, because they can't: "If Trump is the Devil you claim he is, who did YOU vote for?" Or, "Who are you going to vote for?'

*WHO* is the Candidate on The Left that is going to protect 2A Rights/is Pro 2A? I don't suspect any of them are. So...yeah I suppose we are in agreement except I'm not sure what I just agreed that we are agreeing on.

I kinda got lost and I'm digressing so I should say at this point to the OP, yes, there are more Leftists coming on board at SH and we should all be concerned. The entire Nation is moving Left and it's a matter of time before there are shit loads of Liberals involved in Precision Shooting. Sadly, I shoot with more Libs/Democrats that anything else. Sign of the 21st Century.

VooDoo

 

[vh20]

Just that.

 

[pmclaine]

Ralph Northam advocates for infanticide.



Kind of violates his Hippocratic oath but oh well he didn't care about his oath of office either.

 

[phlegethon]

Ralph Northam advocates for infanticide.



Kind of violates his Hippocratic oath but oh well he didn't care about his oath of office either.

No, I’m sorry, but that’s not what he said at all. I watched the video.

 

[M8541Reaper]

lol the arguments are basically the same at the core, regardless of political standing. “_____ is wrong and we are right.” Then you have those that would love to see all who oppose or don’t fully support and share 100% of their views be killed off. The problem is that there is no right or wrong way. There is no left or right. None of it matters because everything collapses in on itself and resets. Life, and everything in it, is cyclical.

If every opponent of the second amendment instantly agreed with it and everyone was on the same page right now, how long until you start to have those pushing for change again?

The problem is that everything in politics is opinion based. You have an the amendment process outlined in the constitution, yet you have people that call themselves constitutionalists and repeat the whole “shall not be infringed” talk. ...yet, by design, anything can be amended. So there are no absolutes. The US Constitution, our laws, Starbucks hours, and everything that exists has been created by people...and people are inherently greedy.

As for Americans that only care about one topic each election cycle, there are just as many (if not more) of your fellow Americans that live lives that don’t allow them to only care about one topic. The single parent struggling to get by, despite working a full time job, probably doesn’t give a shit about the anti-gun talking points. Same could be said about the middle-class family of four that only focuses on which politician is not trying to take away his right to own the firearms he can barely shoot but doesn’t give a shit about policies that could help his fellow Americans who pulled a shit number in the game of life. We all can’t be winners and what matters most to us, doesn’t mean it’s what matters most to others.

In order to survive in any environment, you have to be aware of those around you. You can’t expect a country to thrive by telling everyone that they should own the truck. Someone has to load the truck, someone has to drive the truck, and someone has to own the truck. Personal views that matter to the loader don’t matter to the owner, and same of the inverse.

End of the day, it doesn’t matter if the left or right “wins”, because our years are nothing more than a single snapshot in time. Enjoy it while you have it and just be glad that you aren’t living in a snapshot where you are wiped out because your make-believe wizard is slightly different than another group’s space wizard.

 

[pmclaine]

No, I’m sorry, but that’s not what he said at all. I watched the video.

Babies born, you keep it comfortable, resuscitate if asked to do so, consult on killing the baby.

That unto God which is Gods.

Sounds like Caesar needs to fix his makeup.

Can we agree Northam is a fucking idiot with everything he touches?

 

[skipjack]

Have you actually studied the latest laws in NY that they are so proud of?
It pretty much legalizes infanticide in everything but name.

The reason we mention abortion is the gun banners tirelessly use the "for the children" and "if it only saves the life of a child".
Well when you are fine killing off tens of thousands of what would otherwise be healthy children for "convenience", "choice" or "economic issues", well then you have no right to talk about wanting to curtail my rights to guns because of "the children".

Have you looked at the bail reform laws king cuomo passed? 75% have to do with kid’s. Laws that you are no longer held until trial if you break. It’s pretty freaking sad. But We are the bad guys. Just a way of getting votes. Let’s make it legal for criminals and illegals to vote for us. This shit is getting out of hand.

 

[pmclaine]

Have you looked at the bail reform laws king cuomo passed? 75% have to do with kid’s. Laws that you are no longer held until trial if you break. It’s pretty freaking sad. But We are the bad guys. Just a way of getting votes. Let’s make it legal for criminals and illegals to vote for us. This shit is getting out of hand.

Why wasn't the guy that shot the police released without bail?

 

[skipjack]

Why wasn't the guy that shot the police released without bail?

Good question. Doesn’t fit in with the plan maybe. Look up New York bail reform law list. You will be pleasantly surprised. It will make you real happy they are trying to unarm you.

 

[wade2big]

lol the arguments are basically the same at the core, regardless of political standing. “_____ is wrong and we are right.” Then you have those that would love to see all who oppose or don’t fully support and share 100% of their views be killed off. The problem is that there is no right or wrong way. There is no left or right. None of it matters because everything collapses in on itself and resets. Life, and everything in it, is cyclical.

If every opponent of the second amendment instantly agreed with it and everyone was on the same page right now, how long until you start to have those pushing for change again?

The problem is that everything in politics is opinion based. You have an the amendment process outlined in the constitution, yet you have people that call themselves constitutionalists and repeat the whole “shall not be infringed” talk. ...yet, by design, anything can be amended. So there are no absolutes. The US Constitution, our laws, Starbucks hours, and everything that exists has been created by people...and people are inherently greedy.

As for Americans that only care about one topic each election cycle, there are just as many (if not more) of your fellow Americans that live lives that don’t allow them to only care about one topic. The single parent struggling to get by, despite working a full time job, probably doesn’t give a shit about the anti-gun talking points. Same could be said about the middle-class family of four that only focuses on which politician is not trying to take away his right to own the firearms he can barely shoot but doesn’t give a shit about policies that could help his fellow Americans who pulled a shit number in the game of life. We all can’t be winners and what matters most to us, doesn’t mean it’s what matters most to others.

In order to survive in any environment, you have to be aware of those around you. You can’t expect a country to thrive by telling everyone that they should own the truck. Someone has to load the truck, someone has to drive the truck, and someone has to own the truck. Personal views that matter to the loader doesn’t matter to the owner, and same of the inverse.

End of the day, it doesn’t matter if the left or right “wins”, because our years are nothing more than a single snapshot in time. Enjoy it while you have it and just be glad that you aren’t living in a snapshot where you are wiped out because your make-believe wizard is slightly different than another group’s space wizard.

I agree with most of what you said. Almost all of it. I would argue the point where you said there is no right or wrong. There is actually, it is just that we can't all agree on what that way is due to most people's greed. It is unfortunate that human nature gets in the way.

As a society we must have common values to bring us all together. We don't and never will. For example, I will never take what I haven't worked for and many won't work and only take. These are people I can not and will not ever be able to relate to. I cannot understand that mindset. I cannot understand somebody that thinks they deserve anything I have. Freedom is hard as it requires the acceptance of personal responsibility and accountability. Many only place blame for their shortcomings. Its sick.

 

[M8541Reaper]

I agree with most of what you said. Almost all of it. I would argue the point where you said there is no right or wrong. There is actually, it is just that we can't all agree on what that way is due to most people's greed. It is unfortunate that human nature gets in the way.

As a society we must have common values to bring us all together. We don't and never will. For example, I will never take what I haven't worked for and many won't work and only take. These are people I can not and will not ever be able to relate to. I cannot understand that mindset. I cannot understand somebody that thinks they deserve anything I have. Freedom is hard as it requires the acceptance of personal responsibility and accountability. Many only place blame for their shortcomings. Its sick.

 

[pmclaine]

I agree with most of what you said. Almost all of it. I would argue the point where you said there is no right or wrong. There is actually, it is just that we can't all agree on what that way is due to most people's greed. It is unfortunate that human nature gets in the way.

As a society we must have common values to bring us all together. We don't and never will. For example, I will never take what I haven't worked for and many won't work and only take. These are people I can not and will not ever be able to relate to. I cannot understand that mindset. I cannot understand somebody that thinks they deserve anything I have. Freedom is hard as it requires the acceptance of personal responsibility and accountability. Many only place blame for their shortcomings. Its sick.

Life does take all kinds to exist. Your example of the truck loader, driver, and owner is a good way to get the point across. There are certain types of people that really do not need to exist and the world would be a much better place without them, kinda like fire ants.

Should think like I do and everything would be fine.