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Maggie’s Motivational Pic Thread v2.0 - - New Rules - See Post #1

You may not be stupid but definitely very ignorant. Do you really think that all deer in every state of the union are as overpopulated as they are around your pissing ground? Try hunting deer in Arizona and we will see if your "skill" or endurance are up to it. Yes it sucks that your state wildlife agency allows the population to increase to the point it has and it sucks that you are obviously trying to farm in said state but don't ASSume that the deer situation is the same everywhere and that zero skill is needed to hunt them. They don't "stand there" in my neck of the woods and if a "fist sized" group is all you are capable of do us all a favor and don't hunt anything!!

Grow up, it’s a damn deer. I feed the bastards year round and still have to pay to shoot one.
 
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For people interested in Asheville NC, it is a beautiful place. It is also home to NC's liberal left. I dont mean its a place thats a little left, it is wacko batshit crazy left. Its a shame too because it could be a really cool place. Well, i guess it still is if you are a socialist.

I am very aware of Asheville and all its buttfuckery. I live about 22 miles from it's hippycenter. It's like an epicenter, but the smell is atrocious!
 
We vacation around Asheville. Black Mountain. Hendersonville, etc. Even downtown doesn't seem that bad to me, but in fairness I live just outside Nashville so maybe I'm just used to it.

Fuck it. Nice place to visit. White Ducks Gyro Taco is the tits after a day hiking in the mountains.
 
We vacation around Asheville. Black Mountain. Hendersonville, etc. Even downtown doesn't seem that bad to me, but in fairness I live just outside Nashville so maybe I'm just used to it.

Fuck it. Nice place to visit. White Ducks Gyro Taco is the tits after a day hiking in the mountains.

I could explain the difference in living in a place and visiting a place, but that would be DE motivational.

So back to the funny.
 
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We vacation around Asheville. Black Mountain. Hendersonville, etc. Even downtown doesn't seem that bad to me, but in fairness I live just outside Nashville so maybe I'm just used to it.

Fuck it. Nice place to visit. White Ducks Gyro Taco is the tits after a day hiking in the mountains.

Black mountain?? White ducks??....... you must be a racist
 
The Yellowstone pic reminds me of our last visit right after LEOSA passed. It allows carry in national parks. Upon entering the park I asked two rangers if we had to carry concealed or could we open carry. Neither had a clue so I open carried hiking through the park including ole faithful. No one even noticed. Full of sheep I guess. No intentional ranger flaming here, it was so new at the time No one knew much about LEOSA.
 
The Yellowstone pic reminds me of our last visit right after LEOSA passed. It allows carry in national parks. Upon entering the park I asked two rangers if we had to carry concealed or could we open carry. Neither had a clue so I open carried hiking through the park including ole faithful. No one even noticed. Full of sheep I guess. No intentional ranger flaming here, it was so new at the time No one knew much about LEOSA.
When I went to Arches and Glacier National park last year I used my chest/rig holster for hiking (which was actually extremely comfortable) no one cared or commented including the Rangers. All other times it’s concealed.

Of course I can still count the number of open carriers I’ve seen in person on 1 hand.
 
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figured the boom wont fit on a "drop tank" size fuel cell
i bet the boom weighs more than the A-4 in the pic
boom is faster fueling rate as well compared to hose and basket
 
Boom needs a crew member to "fly" it to the receiver aircraft; drogue ("basket") uses the receiver's pilot to make that happen. Some tankers don't have that kind of crew station or compliment (MC-130, KC-130).

Boom can transfer faster to fill up larger receivers quicker (bombers, other tankers, etc). Smaller receivers don't really need that benefit, so they can use the drogue.

Drogue can be farther (further?) from the tanker than a boom, and that adds a margin of safety and maneuverability while connected. Some receivers need that more than others (helicopters).

If you've ever been involved in an MC-130 giving gas to an MH-47, you'd appreciate the extra feet of space...
 
Aviators, Airmen, why does the Navy use the basket, and the Air Force use the boom? That floating basket looks like a pain in the dick.

The reel system weighs right at 245 pounds. Add in hydraulics, a 92' 3" diameter hose and 50lb basket. All of it weighs considerably less than a boom system.
I would guess the navy reels and hoses are a bit smaller for fixed wing use.

The Navy uses some smaller aircraft to refuel fighters so a boom would never work due to weight of the system. Balance or CG of the tanker and the fact that the Navy is still in the 1940's with some of their technology. :)

Ejection seats are another throwback.

Martin Baker vs ACES-II.
The initial choice for the MB was zero altitude performance.
A wise choice at the time.
Current production seats will all provide safe ejection and recovery from ground level.
The ACES is much easier to maintain than the MB.

Booms are easier to replace and maintain than hose-drogue systems.
USAF C-130 P and N models have the hose reels.

Their primary use is to air refuel helicopters
KC and EC-135 aircraft can install a drogue for helicopter and Navy requirements.

Fuel tanks:
There are five types and three build characteristics.

1. Integral fuel tanks are built using the sealed structure of the aircraft. Examples are wing tanks and also fusealge tanks on the B-1B.

2. Drop tanks, also called external fuel tanks (not all are jettisonable) are usually installed along the center wing pylon on fighter aircraft and many C-130 models. The B-1B has external provisions for drop tanks. These look like the pontoons on a boat.

3. Fuel Cells are a shape conforming bladder installed within the structure of an aircraft. There are two types and three specific designs within the two types.

a. Self sealing (fully self sealing and partial (bottom only) self sealing).
Used in fighter aircraft and helicopters.

b. Non self sealing.
Used in cargo aircraft wing root areas and body of KC-EC-135 and AWACS etc.

4. Conformal Fuel tanks that conform to the outer nacelle on an F-15 E and the upper wing to fuselage area on F-16.

5. Internal, removeable, fuel tanks.
Two basic types.
For you Vietnam vets they were the bladders in the back of a helicopter.
On a C-130, they were the big assed white or seafoam green things that looked like giant propane tanks nested on either side of the cargo area, directly under the wings.


Students, that is your military aircraft lesson for the day.
There will be a four question test at the end of the week. You must maintain a passing grade or you will be eliminated from this course... :) :)
 
Boom needs a crew member to "fly" it to the receiver aircraft; drogue ("basket") uses the receiver's pilot to make that happen. Some tankers don't have that kind of crew station or compliment (MC-130, KC-130).

Boom can transfer faster to fill up larger receivers quicker (bombers, other tankers, etc). Smaller receivers don't really need that benefit, so they can use the drogue.

Drogue can be farther (further?) from the tanker than a boom, and that adds a margin of safety and maneuverability while connected. Some receivers need that more than others (helicopters).

If you've ever been involved in an MC-130 giving gas to an MH-47, you'd appreciate the extra feet of space...

The proximity of the CH-47 or even a H-53 is scary as fuck.
Have them ram the drogue at too high of a speed and that hose will whip all over the place until it can catch up to the slack.

We had a 53 pilot that must have been walleyed. He would punch through the arms of the basket. One time, we couldn't get seperation and the FE had to guillotine the hose with it attached to the probe on the chopper.
The dumfuk pilot had to fly back with that hose and landed with about 80' of it hanging down off of the front of the helicopter.
He set the open end down and backed up until the hose was laid out nicely, then touched down.
I had to cut the hose off with a hacksaw so we could clear the craft from the ramp area.
 
I recruited some guys for Raytheon back in the 90s for a segment of this project.


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ASAT anyone? Cheers, SirhrView attachment 7116583

Oh and the Eagle better be on a loopand far away long before that ASAT lights off... or it’s F-15 fricassee.

Cheers, Sirhr
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Aviators, Airmen, why does the Navy use the basket, and the Air Force use the boom? That floating basket looks like a pain in the dick.
As a former Crew Chief on KC-10's, Casselton above gives a good summation. The 10's are capable with the optional wing mounted pods of throwing out 3 hose and drogues at the same time and refueling 3 aircraft at the same time. (One each wing and one centerline)
10's do not refuel helicopters as we fly too fast. In fact, we cannot refuel A-10's (using the boom) when the wing mounted drogue pods are attached. Too much drag and loss of lift at a speed slow enough for the A-10's to keep up. In other words, when refueling A-10's, the KC-10 has to be as slow as possible while the A-10 is as fast as possible.

On the other hand, fully fueled, the KC-10 can hold about 352,000 pounds of fuel. That'd make one hell of a Roman candle.