My employer mandated the vaccine. Anyone else?

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    Wasn't asking for a left wing agenda false interpretation.

    Don't know who's payroll your on but they should ask for thier money back.
     
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    Wasn't asking for a left wing agenda false interpretation.

    Don't know who's payroll your on but they should ask for thier money back.
    So posting published studies that don't agree with your take on things is left wing agenda? Got it. Sounds to me like your a Commie
     
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    Anyone can poke around till they find bullshit that suits thier liberal agenda.

    My dil is a RN and besides herself 80% of the staff refuse to get the shots so the rather large facility can't do shit about it as they are allready understaffed.

    Her opinion since she is not a paid schill, with an actual degree in the medical field is enough for me.
    She said all about the money and controll of the sheep.

    You can tell us of your fleece bearing buddies heard mentality all you want but all we hear is- baaabaaanbaaa as you are indoctrinated and enslaved.
     
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    Well wife was forced to get it. They recieved statements to sign with wording to include either medical or religious exemptions may not be considered an out. Absolutely fucking insane what this has come down to.

    I will and have not shamed anyone forced to get this experiment but damn it should be up to the person.
     

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    Then explain this one.

    In summary, based on the totality of the trials and epidemiologic evidence presented in this review along with the preliminary findings of the Unitaid/WHO meta-analysis of treatment RCTs and the guideline recommendation from the international BIRD conference, ivermectin should be globally and systematically deployed in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.

    I pulled this from here.

     

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    Then explain this one.

    In summary, based on the totality of the trials and epidemiologic evidence presented in this review along with the preliminary findings of the Unitaid/WHO meta-analysis of treatment RCTs and the guideline recommendation from the international BIRD conference, ivermectin should be globally and systematically deployed in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.

    I pulled this from here.

    Well written article. 3 things I don't like about it: most of the research is prior to the D variant, very small test samples, and I take any research conducted out of Bangladesh, India, and Iraq with a grain of salt.....but it did show some good results preventing death from covid. This little nugget is interesting though

    "In 4 of the studies, ivermectin was identified as having the highest or among the highest of binding affinities to spike protein S1 binding domains of SARS-CoV-2 among hundreds of molecules collectively examined, with ivermectin not being the particular focus of study in 4 of these studies.27 This is the same mechanism by which viral antibodies, in particular, those generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines contain the SARS-CoV-2 virus."
     

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    Meh, don’t need to read studies published in 3rd world shitholes, it’s not like there isn’t any real world data here 🙄
     

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    Well written article. 3 things I don't like about it: most of the research is prior to the D variant, very small test samples, and I take any research conducted out of Bangladesh, India, and Iraq with a grain of salt.....but it did show some good results preventing death from covid. This little nugget is interesting though

    "In 4 of the studies, ivermectin was identified as having the highest or among the highest of binding affinities to spike protein S1 binding domains of SARS-CoV-2 among hundreds of molecules collectively examined, with ivermectin not being the particular focus of study in 4 of these studies.27 This is the same mechanism by which viral antibodies, in particular, those generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines contain the SARS-CoV-2 virus."
    The study you posted was in already hospitalized patients.

    every Ivm/hcq study I have seen has said it is the most successful the sooner you take it at the onset of symptoms, not after the viral infection has made its way into the lungs and your body has started attacking its organs. Key is to stop viral replication before it overwhelms the body, not wait until it’s shutting down.

    it is unbelievable that the medical community claims the only way to treat Covid is wait until you are so sick you can’t function without hospital equipment or take a vaccine with 40% efficacy.

    early treat has always been best no matter what disease it is and it’s unbelievable we have done nothing of the sort.

    the reason we haven’t is because their would never have been an EUA for a vaccine if their was effective pre treatments.
     

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    The joy of more lab generated variants, Delta, lambda, Mu, etc, is the need for “update jabs” or the ventured “daily anti-rona pill” idea.


    My research and statistics professor was a double PhD and cool as can be.
    He told me that the data looks however the people paying for it want it to look.
    Besides teaching, he was a “data tweaker” for Gallup, so he knew first hand. Had worked FT in the private sector and HATED it prior to teaching because of that.

    He did make the point that there are some researchers working who really want true data and still do good work. His point was, that if big $ was involved, the numbers arent what they seem to be.
    Do you think oil companies are honest about their research? 🤣🤣🤣
    Or the “green” side of the energy sector?

    Free your minds.

    Also, the AMA is a strong arm political organization and nothing more….
     

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    Having a conversation with a pro vax person regarding mandated vax.....my replies in red

    I can see that you have already, in a sense, politically and publicly committed yourself to a particular position relating to COVID vaccination. That might make it hard, at least were you to publicly change your position, just as it would be hard for me publicly to change mine.

    Reviewing your points 1-10:

    - Regarding liability, I can understand your concern. However, it seems that with the PREP Act, Congress has taken the position that manufacturers shall not be liable. Given that that is so, calling under point 4 for "liability for any members of **** suffering reaction or injury" would appear to be a ship that has sailed. I don't see any negotiation to which **** is a party, overturning a statutory exemption from liability. Than "mandating party" should assume it or at least members should be made aware they are on their own if they have a reaction. Chances of a reaction less than 1%. Chance of dying from covid less than 1%. Chance of me giving covid.....these vaccines work right? The vaccinated by choice have nothing to worry about?

    - Regarding your point about only taking a particular vaccine by name, it would appear also from your link at https://www.quarles.com/publication...ne-administrators-want-to-know-forgot-to-ask/ that "The approved vaccine [i.e. Comirnaty] is identical to the vaccine that has been authorized under the EUA. They can be used interchangeably." So, it seems that fighting on that point might not be worth the candle either. No one knows if they are the same and yet why the shielding from liability than? Some thing smells rotten ****.

    - For your point 6, on exemptions, I can't see what you're talking about regarding Constitutional or ADA objections. All you say, in another email, is that "Our Declaration of Independence and Constitution stress "the Individual" over "the community." Well, sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't, depending on the provision (the "general welfare" clause has been read pretty expansively, for example.) But there is nothing explicit in the text of either the Constitution or the ADA that supports your position. On the other hand, there is Supreme Court precedent on point on the other side, and in our system, the Supreme Court has the final say on what the Constitution means; and the legal precedents don't care about the mortality rate. In Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), the Supreme Court ruled that the City of Cambridge could institute a vaccine mandate, with a penalty worth about $140 today, provided that there was an exception in cases where "it be apparent or can be shown with reasonable certainty that he is not at the time a fit subject of vaccination, or that vaccination, by reason of his then condition, would seriously impair his health, or probably cause his death." Following this, your members would plausibly have to allege a medical exemption similar to this rule. It sounds as if your kids have genuine medical worries - I certainly don't have the expertise you have in their conditions - but (a) I don't know that those worries would meet this standard making it unconstitutional to mandate them to have it, and (b) their medical concerns make it, to my mind, all the more important for you to get it, to act as a firewall to keep them safe. ADA only protects in this case against discrimination. Discriminating for not being vaccinated in this case. Kind of obtuse but so is the ADA protection of people with other transmissable diseases. In some states there is no longer a legal requirement to declare your transmissable disease in order to protect others. There are all kinds of exemptions these days and with significant portions of the population already vaccinated there is no rush to mandate a vaccine that has not been thoroughly tested.

    I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists have previously managed to obtain legal exemptions from vaccination on religious grounds, because they have demonstrated a consistent and general belief that vaccination contravenes their religious beliefs; I would be extremely surprised if any court were to uphold an exemption claimed by someone arguing that their God supports all vaccinations except vaccinations against COVID.

    My friend Pat Eddington over at CATO helped to uncover some of the experimental vaccinations undergone by military personnel during the Gulf war, so I take that seriously. But it may not be a great analogy for your purposes. The courts treat the personal liberties of military servicemembers differently from those of the general public, and are very inclined to be deferential to what DOD wants. The Gulf War soldiers got injected with whatever, and had to suck it up, including the adverse health consequences. I don't think any of them got compensation for any experimental vaccine-related health problems. Do you know different? There is no way DOD would take liability for that. Funny thing is if we change all the "mandate" names to "DOD" in this case I am betting you too would be against vaccine mandates. Somehow when it says "CDC" or "Gov ******" mandates there is a pass given. They are all the same as far as I see it.

    When you say that the argument on my side is "My vaccine is not working because YOU have not been vaccinated", that's not quite right. I took the Pfizer vaccine. It's, let's say, 90% effective (the particular rate isn't important for this argument.) So for any ten interactions where I would otherwise have been infected, the Pfizer vaccine that I had blocks nine. That's good! I appreciate it, and it enables me to do more things safely that I could not do otherwise! It can be working as advertised, and still occasionally produce infections. Than Israel should not be blowing up with cases.......cases of vaccinated people. Why is our govt allowing almost 1 million people to be transported around the country with no vaccine? These are people in custody of sorts. No quarantine, no social distancing no mandates.

    However, that's a separate question from "how many infection events will I be exposed to?". That number will be affected by (a) my own practices, in terms of whether I go into crowded indoor spaces with plausibly infected people; (b) the practices of the other people I go into those spaces with, which include whether they're masked and whether they're vaccinated, and whether they're singing, among other things. Generally speaking, if there's not much COVID around (R-stat <1), I'll be exposed to fewer infectious interactions. So yes, if you're vaccinated, you're less likely to get it, and therefore my interaction with you is less likely to be an infectious one. But the chance of you actually infecting me, can be reduced by a bunch of things - like whether we're indoors or outdoors, whether you're masked, and so on, as well as whether you're vaccinated. So perhaps it's more reasonable a perspective than you're making it sound. People need to individually manage their risk as always. People should diet and exercise....it is the biggest provider of good health. If you want govt mandating your risk exposure stand by for a pretty dreary life. Its coming. The fears people have now will be minimal to the fears they will have a of a govt that mandates their safety and security.
     

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    That is exactly the part our government and big pharma are lying thier ass off about.

    And some shitheads still don't get it or thier paid schills.

    Bunch of sheep without much cognitive skills.
     

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    Well written article. 3 things I don't like about it: most of the research is prior to the D variant, very small test samples, and I take any research conducted out of Bangladesh, India, and Iraq with a grain of salt.....but it did show some good results preventing death from covid. This little nugget is interesting though

    "In 4 of the studies, ivermectin was identified as having the highest or among the highest of binding affinities to spike protein S1 binding domains of SARS-CoV-2 among hundreds of molecules collectively examined, with ivermectin not being the particular focus of study in 4 of these studies.27 This is the same mechanism by which viral antibodies, in particular, those generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines contain the SARS-CoV-2 virus."
    Yes, Ivermectin has been extremely effective against ALL Corona virus', but the Delta variant is its Achilles heel. 🤣

    Fuck off.🤠
     

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    Question--for all the buzz about the broken process--how many of you spoke to your govt rep about this.

    Or--how many of you familiarized yourself with the FDA 'approval' process so that you could address part (1) to address your concerns of monetary influence.

    Ivermectin is in FDA trials, so you all can join me as liberal shills now.
     

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    How do we know it's the "D" variant. There is no way to determine if its Covid, Covid-D or any other variant.
    I have wondered this too. I would guess that it may come from more specific blood testing in hospital patients and maybe studies. I’m not sure why they keep freaking out about variants. Viruses have always mutated, and from talking to a couple of physician friends, generally get weaker as they go because they don’t want to kill their hosts.
     

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    I have wondered this too. I would guess that it may come from more specific blood testing in hospital patients and maybe studies. I’m not sure why they keep freaking out about variants. Viruses have always mutated, and from talking to a couple of physician friends, generally get weaker as they go because they don’t want to kill their hosts.
    I'm pretty sure they can sequence it and/or test for it.

    As to freaking out for variants:
    +It could become more contagious (that is the hype around delta).
    +It could become more deadly (has not happened)
    +It could affect the younger more (right now kids give the middle finger to Covid)
    +It could become drug/vaccine resistant (arguments about immunity from vaccine being less for strain delta--of course I'm the only one that actually thinks the vaccine is effective, so not gonna be a problem on this site, or the Covid Z pack/antivirals)
    +Fear -- people want answers. And there aren't any

    The more Covid is around, the more I am convinced its going to be like a bad flu--perpetually with us (I mean a cold is a Coronavirus). But everyone is FREAKED out. And therein is the issue.
     

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    Well written article. 3 things I don't like about it: most of the research is prior to the D variant, very small test samples, and I take any research conducted out of Bangladesh, India, and Iraq with a grain of salt.....but it did show some good results preventing death from covid. This little nugget is interesting though

    "In 4 of the studies, ivermectin was identified as having the highest or among the highest of binding affinities to spike protein S1 binding domains of SARS-CoV-2 among hundreds of molecules collectively examined, with ivermectin not being the particular focus of study in 4 of these studies.27 This is the same mechanism by which viral antibodies, in particular, those generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines contain the SARS-CoV-2 virus."
    If my choice is IVM, or a new vaccine. Then I'll take the IVM. More research has been done with it, then any of the vaccines. Hell, they don't even list the side effects for the vaccines. Friend of mine, never had covid, had no antibodies, got the vaccine and now has blood clots, but the Drs. blame the clots on covid, not the vaccine. Now he's on blood thinners and filters in his body to catch the clots. But clots is not on the side effect list, because it's blamed on the covid.

    My point was basically we have been lied to from the beginning of this mess. The press ridicules anybody saying they took IVM. This is where that whole fake news thing comes in.

    But I also don't believe the #s they gave us last year. Nobody died from the normal flu, everybody died from covid.
    Then they came out this year and said, We can't use those tests anymore, they don't differentiate between covid, flu or common cold. but every death was a covid death.

    But then again, we had President Trump claiming HCQ was going to help against covid. Studies show it did help. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33042552/

    But how many Governors signed orders banning HCQ and again the press blasted anybody saying anything positive about it.

    So I'm a little skeptical about these "vaccines".
     
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    Media manipulation by the commie hoard and lies from the doctors.

    Side note my doctor called in sick today so no appointment. I bet he is guzzling the z-pack right now.

     

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    Back to work from a few days off.......had to let the union know "Im not dead yet"

    Hearing word **** really isn't interested in fighting this because "only" 25% of the job is unvaccinated, perhaps 500 members.....

    Hmmmmm, I remember millions being spent recently when only three or four members were concerned with a legal outcome.

    Getting gun shot, having a cruiser crash, getting a beating were given hazards of the job. Never was it understood that at any time members accepting a position would be subject to mandated vaccines with limited time on the market and shielding from liability. Hepatitis is a bigger threat to me than covid and it has a traditional FDA approval and liability function...I took that shot but I don't recall it being mandated.

    Even if members decide to get the shot I understand there is no paperwork to sign in order to express they are not doing so of their own free will but through coercion of suffering financial hardship through loss of their career. CVS or Walgreens will be an additional shield from liability for the party making the mandate. Go sue CVS for taking a EUA vaccine that you knew there was no recourse should you be harmed. We are unprotected.

    Oh well, can't make waves. We are in contract talks, we might get a personal day in exchange for our 4th Amendment right to be secure in our person. Meanwhile the person that is the voice of information nationally about this health crisis is being exposed as having lied under oath and has flipped flop back and forth about policy......this whole mess is rotten.

    We cave what hope do the people that pay our salaries have when we are ordered to violate their rights after we have surrendered our own?

    I'm not against vaccination.....just make that decision of your own free will or in the face of a pressing health threat with adequate testing for safety and efficacy of the vaccine. Keep this latest stat in mind........average age of covid death in MA - 81 years old and 51% had significant co-morbidities. Doesn't sound like my coworkers and really doesn't reflect daily contacts with the people while performing my duties. I don't want to see 81 year old people dying either, they can be protected without mandating a vaccine that comes with risks similar to the disease and apparently does not work effectively.

    I know for a fact you guys make better observations in the field and are well able to smell BS when it's presented to you.......why so blind now?
     

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    Buddy in CO is a cop and anti covid vaccine. Just got covid for the second time and is now on oxygen. He was supposed to go on a float trip for moose next week in AK. Cousin in ND was admitted last week with covid. Just talked to him and said it's horrible. Was thinking about getting the vaccine. Coworker and entire family is out with covid going on second week. Said he's never been this sick in his life. None had got the vaccine.... I'm thinking we're all going to get it at this point. Doesn't look like it'll be fun


    Yes we all will get it and perhaps we should string Fauci by his balls for creating it.
     
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    Posted elsewhere but should be repeated here...

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    The Communists have decreed that Holocaust references are forbidden even if appropriate.

    You need to first make the announcement "Spolier Alert!" when doing so.

    Maybe that's because it's incredibly fucking stupid to make the comparison. Like how fucking dumb and ignorant of history do you have to be to make the comparison between a Star of David being used to segregate a whole ethnicity to the ghetto and eventually on to the ovens to having your weekend plans tailgating at the sportsball stadium ruined.
     
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    Maybe that's because it's incredibly fucking stupid to make the comparison. Like how fucking dumb and ignorant of history do you have to be to make the comparison between a Star of David being used to segregate a whole ethnicity to the ghetto and eventually on to the ovens to having your weekend plans tailgating at the sportsball stadium ruined.

    Really?

    The holocaust did not start with death camps.

    The Nazis exploited an existing animosity, engaged people in small crimes and discriminations to incriminate them, than moved on to exclusion from society and the economy before moving to train rides to Sobibor.

    You are blind to history by your bias that "it cant happen here".
     

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    Maybe that's because it's incredibly fucking stupid to make the comparison. Like how fucking dumb and ignorant of history do you have to be to make the comparison between a Star of David being used to segregate a whole ethnicity to the ghetto and eventually on to the ovens to having your weekend plans tailgating at the sportsball stadium ruined.
    Just wait longer.
     
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    Maybe that's because it's incredibly fucking stupid to make the comparison. Like how fucking dumb and ignorant of history do you have to be to make the comparison between a Star of David being used to segregate a whole ethnicity to the ghetto and eventually on to the ovens to having your weekend plans tailgating at the sportsball stadium ruined.

    How dumb and ignorant of history do you have to be to not understand the comparison?
     

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    For those of you who you/your spouse were forced to take the vaccine, please post pictures. I'd like to see a picture of someone in the US, held down and forcefully injected. I walked away from my previous Libtard employer 10 weeks ago. New company is a breath of fresh air. If you are competent at your job, and have a desired skill set, nobody can force you to do shit..... while at it, ask for an extra week of vacation, and pay increase. You are welcome, as my advice was free!
     
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    Tomorrow I believe will be the moment of "what came before and what comes after"

    It will be pretty clear tomorrow what history resembles our future.

    Psakis contempt in her voice today said everything.
     

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    Tomorrow I believe will be the moment of "what came before and what comes after"

    It will be pretty clear tomorrow what history resembles our future.

    Psakis contempt in her voice today said everything.
    Is this referring to Biden's new covid plan? Like the current one is going so well. I have been wondering what his new plan will look like, Australia comes to mind.
     

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    just received this today. I was in a command and staff meeting briefing my BDE commander on for my job here at fort hood and here is some cliff notes taken from the meeting.

    COVID VACCINE IS NOW MANDATORY BY 1 OCTOBER
    - Guidance is still being published at this time.
    - Service Members may only submit an exemption for either a MEDICAL reason or a RELIGIOUS reason.
    - BOTH require an EXEMPTION PACKET to be complete.
    - First initial to-do is to let your first line leader know you are planning to submit an ETP exemption packet for review ASAP.
    - Packet starts with a pre-templated MEMO that HHC has. (trying to get my hands on the memo templates)
    - Other steps to this packet include, but are not limited to : Physician interviews / counseling, Chaplain interview / counseling.
    - ALL Vaccine exemptions go to the Surgeon General for approval or disapproval. (cannot stop it at unit level)

    These notes are me spelling it out to my section. I copied and pasted these from my email to my troops so they might read funny to others on this forum

    MEMO 1.JPG
    MEMO 2.JPG
    MEMO 3.JPG
     
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    Is this referring to Biden's new covid plan? Like the current one is going so well. I have been wondering what his new plan will look like, Australia comes to mind.


    Jen Psaki today when asked if this plan would bring any restrictions or have any implications for people dripping with contempt she said something akin to "That depends on if you are vaccinated or not".

    You have to find the recording she is fucking evil incarnate.

    United or one of the airlines announced tonight that anyone with a religious or med exemption to the vaccine will be put on leave and fired after a period of time if not vaccinated.

    She is going to get real.

    I mentioned to my Primary Care Physician last week that next for me will be denial of med care. She was incredulous "We havent discussed that, thats not going to happen"

    I just told her I hope not but remember your Hippocratic oath to "Do no Harm".....we will see.
     

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    United or one of the airlines announced tonight that anyone with a religious or med exemption to the vaccine will be put on leave and fired after a period of time if not vaccinated.
    Pretty sure that's illegal not that legalities are holding anyone back right now
     

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    Pretty sure that's illegal not that legalities are holding anyone back right now


    Yeah I was kind of surprised by the announcement but basically are saying "You can have your exemption but you cant work here"


    I think they missed the meaning and purpose of exemption.

    This alliance of business with govt to be their cudgel is fascism at its finest.
     

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    For those of you who you/your spouse were forced to take the vaccine, please post pictures. I'd like to see a picture of someone in the US, held down and forcefully injected. I walked away from my previous Libtard employer 10 weeks ago. New company is a breath of fresh air. If you are competent at your job, and have a desired skill set, nobody can force you to do shit..... while at it, ask for an extra week of vacation, and pay increase. You are welcome, as my advice was free!
    Guard said it was mandatory so I got it. My civilian job pays $69 an hr and is getting close to mandating it. Wasn't about to lose my military retirement and very good paying job with a nice retirement over getting a dumb shot when I've had 150 other shots in the military already.......Wife is a nurse and makes $45 an hr and they will be mandating it soon. She got it as well strictly based on the crazy number of covid patients our local hospital has. Neither had a single reaction of any sort to the pfizer shots.....
     
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    this aussie makes some good points, the US must have work health and safety laws similar to here?


     

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