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Nazis were Socialists- NOT right wingers

Ok I didn't really read this thread just kinda skimmed through it. Looks like we're all on agreement that nazis and democrats are the scum of the earth.

On thing that always puzzles me is why the fuck do some gun people collect and are fascinated by nazi flags, helmets, knives and other shit from the war?

When I go to gun shows there is always old nazi shit from the war being sold. It makes me see red, I just wanna flip the table over and stomp the shit out of the scumbag selling it. Do they think the real nazis from back then would be their friend? No they would kill every American as soon as they got the chance.
 
Ok I didn't really read this thread just kinda skimmed through it. Looks like we're all on agreement that nazis and democrats are the scum of the earth.

On thing that always puzzles me is why the fuck do some gun people collect and are fascinated by nazi flags, helmets, knives and other shit from the war?

When I go to gun shows there is always old nazi shit from the war being sold. It makes me see red, I just wanna flip the table over and stomp the shit out of the scumbag selling it. Do they think the real nazis from back then would be their friend? No they would kill every American as soon as they got the chance.
Wrong
 
No your "point" was that conflating communists and socialists as the same thing was ignorance, based on body counts.
Socialism comes from the ballot box, communism by the cartridge box.
There is no effective difference. Both are the subjugation of individual liberty to the state.
‘Based on body counts’? That’s simply not true. The ‘body count’ comment was a supporting point to Communism and NS being different, not a main point. There were other points made in that post.

National Socialism vs International Socialism is a more meaningful distinction. National is particular to a people or culture, whereas International Socialism seeks to destroy distinctions between cultures, creating a single Comintern.
 

To really understand this whole "Hitler was a Socialist" deal we need to understand that Hitler absolutely *hated* and despised Socialism/Communism/and Marxist teaching/Theory. His reference to the word "Socialism" is that he wanted to recover the word away from Marxists and Communists - his vision of Nazism was Socialism under his terms. Not Marxist theory - Nazi theory. Read Mein Kampf - Hitler thought the Jews were responsible for destroying Mankind.



Hitler was a Socialist in his own vision of Socialism - he was a brute fanatic about destroying Marxism and recovering the concept of Socialism not being Marxism. So, Nazis were Socialists, not as we use the words and terms today to mean Marxist Socialism/Communism.

Sorry to interject. I have been a Lifelong student of Hitler and the Nazis/Holocaust and not in a good Way.

VooDoo

Hitler believed in capitalism, ownership of private property and business, as long as the owners were supporters or at minimum amiable to the NAZI party and its agenda.

Communism.....everything is state owned.
 
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‘Based on body counts’? That’s simply not true. The ‘body count’ comment was a supporting point to Communism and NS being different, not a main point. There were other points made in that post.

National Socialism vs International Socialism is a more meaningful distinction. National is particular to a people or culture, whereas International Socialism seeks to destroy distinctions between cultures, creating a single Comintern.
What you posted is still there for everyone to see "Comrade".

This sort of nonsense is silly. Who do you think the SA was fighting in the 1920’s? Antifa.
Hand waving Communism and National Socialism into being the same thing is ignorance. The body count of the Eastern Front attests to that.

There’s been a substantial amount of historical revisionism regarding 1914-1945. Wikipedia is not going to be a good source.

If lots of big name historians and think tanks vouch for a source, be skeptical. If it’s banned, you’re getting warmer.
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Non-agrarian Indians were nomadic savages who murdered, raped, enslaved other tribes long before we Whites showed up, and then they FAFO who the Boss man was when we settled the wild land of what became the USA. God Bless America!

Now back to the topic of the Nazis being Progressive Socialists...
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ANTIFA has been an organization since the 1920s or so.....
 
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They hoped we would be an ally. Wasn't possible due to the communists in our own gov and the brits.

If "they" references Third Reich....."they" thought we for the most part were weak depraved mongrels.

Likely Lindbergh, Henry Ford, and parts of Pennsylvania were thought salvageable but most everyone else was untermenschen.
 
Ok I didn't really read this thread just kinda skimmed through it. Looks like we're all on agreement that nazis and democrats are the scum of the earth.
Factually CORRECT. Trump and Americans exposed the dems for the progressives/nazis they really are.


On thing that always puzzles me is why the fuck do some gun people collect and are fascinated by nazi flags, helmets, knives and other shit from the war?

When I go to gun shows there is always old nazi shit from the war being sold. It makes me see red, I just wanna flip the table over and stomp the shit out of the scumbag selling it. Do they think the real nazis from back then would be their friend? No they would kill every American as soon as they got the chance.

It's possible many or even most of those sellers aren't nazi sympathizers at all, just guys fascinated with the reality of being able to touch objects that represent the actual evils of that progressivism known as nazism. Kind of like "here's proof of those evil nazi bastards". My two cents.
 
I wonder if the communists in Germany figured out they pushed the marxism and moral depravity too far or if they starved thinking they were blameless victims.
 
Hitler believed in capitalism, ownership of private property and business, as long as the owners were supporters or at minimum amiable to the NAZI party and its agenda.

Communism.....everything is state owned.

I am not certain that Hitler wanted capitalism in any form that we would recognize it as such.

At one point the central planners told shop keepers what to sell, how much they could sell, how much they could pay their workers, who they could sell to, and at what price. If you feel that the Nazi's believed in capitalism merely because they allowed the shop keepers the nominal title of "private owners", and that is the only bar to pass to qualify as capitalism, then I would agree with your statement. Otherwise, I fear that the post war narrative propagated by the Soviets to call the Nazi's capitalists may have been more effective than many give it credit for.

Very early on, the Nazi's started to refer to these "private owners" as merely "managers".

To me these actions appear to be a form of socialism, but I am not a student of economic theory.


We can review a law signed by The Reich Chancellor, Adolf Hitler; The Reich Labor Minister, Franz Seldte; The Reich Economics Minister, Dr. Schmitt; The Reich Minister of Justice, Dr. Gürtner; The Reich Minister of Finance, Count Schwerin von Krosigk; The Reich Minister of the Interior, Frick who in 1934 passed the Arbeitsordnungsgesetz or "Work Order Act".

"Article 1.
§ 1 In the company, the entrepreneur as the leader of the company, the employees and workers as a follower work together to promote the company's purposes and for the common benefit of the people and the state."


Sounds both patriotic and socialist in nature.

Additionally in this law you will find that the government decreed that a number of shop stewards must be elected by the workers of companies who will advise the owner, (who is now called a manager), and together with the owner form the "trust council". This council will convene at the direction of the "manager" or at least half of the "trust council". In the event that the "trust council" votes to do so they can overrule the "manager" decisions."

Interestingly this is the law that people often cite to point out that Hitler disbanded the trade unions. This law does do this, but to state that alone obfuscates that he was also effectively creating his own party controlled unions in every business in the land and subordinating private control of enterprise to state direction with oversight by the workers and Nazi party members at the industrial level. So he effectively rids Germany of all other labor unions that are not controlled by the Nazi party.

I should note that this is not my area of amateur study or even remotely within my area of interest. My interest ends at only attempting to understand the economic situation in Germany as it pertains to the impact on the logistics of the war effort or the effectiveness of allied interdiction on war production. (a very hot debate even today 76 years later)

So, I'll provide an article that I found to be instructive, and hope that he does a better job of explaining it than I can hope to do. Perhaps we can convince some Hide member with a background in law, finance and economic theory to review this and offer a constructive critical commentary.



"http://www.documentarchiv.de/ns/nat-arbeit.html" <- Text of the above referenced law, also attached below.
 

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I am not certain that Hitler wanted capitalism in any form that we would recognize it as such.

At one point the central planners told shop keepers what to sell, how much they could sell, how much they could pay their workers, who they could sell to, and at what price. If you feel that the Nazi's believed in capitalism merely because they allowed the shop keepers the nominal title of "private owners", and that is the only bar to pass to qualify as capitalism, then I would agree with your statement. Otherwise, I fear that the post war narrative propagated by the Soviets to call the Nazi's capitalists may have been more effective than many give it credit for.

Very early on, the Nazi's started to refer to these "private owners" as merely "managers".

To me these actions appear to be a form of socialism, but I am not a student of economic theory.


We can review a law signed by The Reich Chancellor, Adolf Hitler; The Reich Labor Minister, Franz Seldte; The Reich Economics Minister, Dr. Schmitt; The Reich Minister of Justice, Dr. Gürtner; The Reich Minister of Finance, Count Schwerin von Krosigk; The Reich Minister of the Interior, Frick who in 1934 passed the Arbeitsordnungsgesetz or "Work Order Act".

"Article 1.
§ 1 In the company, the entrepreneur as the leader of the company, the employees and workers as a follower work together to promote the company's purposes and for the common benefit of the people and the state."


Sounds both patriotic and socialist in nature.

Additionally in this law you will find that the government decreed that a number of shop stewards must be elected by the workers of companies who will advise the owner, (who is now called a manager), and together with the owner form the "trust council". This council will convene at the direction of the "manager" or at least half of the "trust council". In the event that the "trust council" votes to do so they can overrule the "manager" decisions."

Interestingly this is the law that people often cite to point out that Hitler disbanded the trade unions. This law does do this, but to state that alone obfuscates that he was also effectively creating his own party controlled unions in every business in the land and subordinating private control of enterprise to state direction with oversight by the workers and Nazi party members at the industrial level. So he effectively rids Germany of all other labor unions that are not controlled by the Nazi party.

I should note that this is not my area of amateur study or even remotely within my area of interest. My interest ends at only attempting to understand the economic situation in Germany as it pertains to the impact on the logistics of the war effort or the effectiveness of allied interdiction on war production. (a very hot debate even today 76 years later)

So, I'll provide an article that I found to be instructive, and hope that he does a better job of explaining it than I can hope to do. Perhaps we can convince some Hide member with a background in law, finance and economic theory to review this and offer a constructive critical commentary.



"http://www.documentarchiv.de/ns/nat-arbeit.html" <- Text of the above referenced law, also attached below.

I think Hitler needed private business to get him into power, I think there are parallels with how our tyrants are using business.

What's really scary is it seems, like Hitler, Doctors have now been co-opted to do their bidding using the same excuse.

In the end, as in the Third Reich, they will all be proven fools.
 
I think Hitler needed private business to get him into power, I think there are parallels with how our tyrants are using business.

What's really scary is it seems, like Hitler, Doctors have now been co-opted to do their bidding using the same excuse.

In the end, as in the Third Reich, they will all be proven fools.

"I'm telling you how to run your business for the common good of the nation, ...trust us on this.", Does seem to be the common theme.

The scariest to me was the moratorium on evictions.
 
"I'm telling you how to run your business for the common good of the nation, ...trust us on this.", Does seem to be the common theme.

The scariest to me was the moratorium on evictions.


Well, That was a move to destroy independent small business people.....it continues with the implementation of distancing and covid passports.

Cant have people caring for themselves rather than being dependent on the regime.
 
"Article 1.
§ 1 In the company, the entrepreneur as the leader of the company, the employees and workers as a follower work together to promote the company's purposes and for the common benefit of the people and the state."
What is likely overlooked is the entrepreneur himself. Without this guys vision, drive, contacts, etc, there would be no employees at all. There would be no more common benefit of the people and the state.
I wonder just how many small businesses have failed during the time it was ok for Home Depot, WalMart, Costco and the like to be operating full speed ahead while everyone else had to maintain social distancing and were otherwise non-essential businesses.
 
What is likely overlooked is the entrepreneur himself. Without this guys vision, drive, contacts, etc, there would be no employees at all. There would be no more common benefit of the people and the state.
I wonder just how many small businesses have failed during the time it was ok for Home Depot, WalMart, Costco and the like to be operating full speed ahead while everyone else had to maintain social distancing and were otherwise non-essential businesses.
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