Agreed, wikipedia is controlled by left wingers who make sure to portray dems in the best light while falsely painting normal Americans (the Right) as fascists and evil. Dems are guilty of everything they falsely accuse Americans of being.
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Agreed, wikipedia is controlled by left wingers who make sure to portray dems in the best light while falsely painting normal Americans (the Right) as fascists and evil. Dems are guilty of everything they falsely accuse Americans of being.
So much truth in that statement.
Yeah, this was mixed in as well. Remember, it started as just another political party on the ballot.
They were actually NOT that popular, but they ran against basically the German version of the same tired bullshit democrats/republicans we have here every year and the NSDAP actually spoke to the issues and wasn't scared of saying what people were thinking. While every other party was talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing, they were fully open about a Germany first approach. Given the time frame this was in and what was happening in Germany with foreigners and the economy, people just voted for them as the 'Not the other guys' party.
Contrary to popular belief, there weren't giant lines of chanting Nazis (which wouldnt have existed yet anyways) at the voting stations all of a sudden.
But as far as 'want a revolution, be careful what you ask for' is exactly what happened. Talk about scope creep.
True hate and intolerance is basically every Democrat in America. As people have already said, the difference between the views of Biden and Hitler are very few and either of them would gladly murder their countrymen to move their agenda forward. The one difference is that Biden and his followers do not have a disarmed population just yet. We are one gun control law from mass murders of Christians and working Americans.
Make no mistake, our collectivists will gladly murder us when we are helpless, it is the way of the gutless fucking coward/Democrat. The kiddie fucking scumbags who vote and support Democrats will stab you or shoot you in the back the first chance they get.
Make no mistake, our collectivists will gladly murder us when we are helpless, it is the way of the gutless fucking coward/Democrat. The kiddie fucking scumbags who vote and support Democrats will stab you or shoot you in the back the first chance they get.
Sure enough red commies trying their best to destroy a country in every way possible (sounds familiar) vs Lets rebuild this nation.
Not a popular opinion but the Brits were as much to blame as anyone for what happened.
Yet it keeps happening.
Look at Iran.
Flourishing under the Shah. Personal freedom with western attitude and culture slowly taking over. But, but, Shah was a little mean about certain things and was getting rich (while everyone else was too).
BAM! Muslim clergy rule.
Begin regression!
Clemenceau/France’s vindictive desire to push Germany back to pre industrial 1870 certainly set the stage for bad outcomes.
This sounds disturbingly familiar and uncomfortably close. Let's hope history isn't doing that rhyming thing again.
Time to start building that cp in the front yard…. /snark
Is it just a strange coincidence that leftys like @Isaiah's Blacksmith completely ignore questions that challenge their programming?
It's like they understand their programming is bereft of basic logic and only relies on feeeeeelings.
It's like they understand their programming is bereft of basic logic and only relies on feeeeeelings.
Yep. You give them that treaty, start getting over run with foreign money / foreign business, have your currency collapse and have your typical muppet do nothing but talk a lot politicians on offer, and there really is no surprise they elected the Germany First party.
Commies and fascists are very different in marketing, but the same in the product, there was a good YouTube documentary on this.
Only plus with the nazis was you could at least look the fucker in the eyes who was going to try to kill you, commies used starvation and cutting off supplies.
But end of the day, it’s the sun human scum who is pro big gov, or to sum it up in one word, statists.
Only plus with the nazis was you could at least look the fucker in the eyes who was going to try to kill you, commies used starvation and cutting off supplies.
But end of the day, it’s the sun human scum who is pro big gov, or to sum it up in one word, statists.
From my perspective R-L is way less important than Libertarian-Authoritarian.
Here in the U.S. we have our American/Repub/Conservative party, and then the internal enemies the Dems/'Progressives'/Nazis. ALL dem politicians are bad, and RINOs and Country Club Republicans are useless.
Back to the main point- the American 'progressives' have controlled the narrative for decades and it's pure propaganda and disinformation that Hitler and the Nazis weren't Progressives/Leftists. The only thing Hitler was "to the right of" was Stalin.
To really understand this whole "Hitler was a Socialist" deal we need to understand that Hitler absolutely *hated* and despised Socialism/Communism/and Marxist teaching/Theory. His reference to the word "Socialism" is that he wanted to recover the word away from Marxists and Communists - his vision of Nazism was Socialism under his terms. Not Marxist theory - Nazi theory. Read Mein Kampf - Hitler thought the Jews were responsible for destroying Mankind.
Hitler was a Socialist in his own vision of Socialism - he was a brute fanatic about destroying Marxism and recovering the concept of Socialism not being Marxism. So, Nazis were Socialists, not as we use the words and terms today to mean Marxist Socialism/Communism.
Sorry to interject. I have been a Lifelong student of Hitler and the Nazis/Holocaust and not in a good Way.
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Watch both videos in full to learn the truth- that Hitler was a progressive socialist and a Leftist. Marxism is far from the only form of collectivism and virtually every socialist and communist state was gained by Leftists killing other Leftists.
BTW, Hitler hated Capitalism and American style freedoms more than he disliked certain forms of collectivism. Hitler and the Nazis told the world they got many of their ideas from American 'Progressives'.
The big lie is that Hitler was a right winger. But don't take my word for it- watch both videos in full.
you will never convince a "progressive" that socialism is a fascist form nor will they ever understand that hitler,pol pot,lenin etc were fascist & and men of the (far) left.
Understanding Nazi ideology is important to understanding the military strategy, successes and failings during WW2, particularly on the Eastern Front and especially as it pertains to logistics. The inefficiencies of the German military logistics to maintain their armies is crucial to understanding the "why" behind some of Germany's seemingly irrational military choices and more prominent battlefield failings.
For some military historians, it is argued that these inefficiencies trace all the way up to the socialist underpinnings of the Nazi economy and body politics.
If you have anything to contribute, I'd be interested to learn.
Got nothing to add. Learning from the Experts here. Sorry I interjected.
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boom, down goes Frasier, down goes Frasier!
I have to ask, what part of that isn’t identical to a progressive republican? Both of our parties are progressives. Why did Joe McCarthy get no where? Why was JFK killed? Why aren’t the R’s raising hell about antifa/blm? Or Fauci? It’s all a show. You will be a “subject” soon.
Progressive republican should be an oxymoron, as Republicans should be conservative.
Leftys want pedal to the floor toward socialism, most republicans are content by getting there on cruise control.
These numbers seem low. Is this only counting the direct murder of humans outside of military conflict?
I.E. Do these numbers not include the economic policies that knowingly led to mass starvations?
American democrats: 63,000,000 dead babies since 1973, plus an untold number of dead pre-civil rights blacks and Native Americans.
Stalin killed 60,000,000 people. Mao at least that many. Lefties always low ball the numbers, as if that makes everything alright.
I see numbers all over the place, in that Its hard to know whats right.
Mao was relating to the great famine, starvation, which would be political policies, not lifetime numbers.
Stalins purge was mass killings in 37. Then from 1946-1953. So deaths outside/not including WW2 fighting and prior to 1937
Japan was Chinese and other Asian Pacific civilians killed during WW2 by the Japanese military. Non combatants.
Pol Pot, 75-79 Khmer Rouge political killings.
So, yes I was attempting to list specific events. The truth of the matter is the exact numbers are unknown , but the point still remains the same.
Source for that 60,000,000. Because that is many times higher than anything I’ve ever found.
Also, it seems like you’re attempting to label me a lefty... lol. You obviously don’t know me.
Hell the Spanish, Dutch, French, Portuguese and British killed more Native Americas( north and south) then the USA as a country ever did. A lot of the Massacre of the American Indian was done under European conquest before the USA was formed. Yes the USA did do some horrible things to the native Indian, but it pales in comparison to what did Europeans, especially in central and South America.
The US is not Innocent either. Bombing Germany and Japan, korea, Vietnam, which spread into neighborhooding countries. The middle east, South America, Africa. Anyone got those numbers?
Non-agrarian Indians were nomadic savages who murdered, raped, enslaved other tribes long before we Whites showed up, and then they FAFO who the Boss man was when we settled the wild land of what became the USA. God Bless America!
Now back to the topic of the Nazis being Progressive Socialists...
Now back to the topic of the Nazis being Progressive Socialists...
That is the opinion of the Wikipedia article. That does not make it a factually correct understanding. The reference to the difinition of what constitutes Left and Right is rather the political mudslinging propaganda of the current left. European right is more or less as you characterize the US right
quote:
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and the right is generally characterized by:
- conservatism
- equality
- limited govt
- nationalism
- rights existing outside of govt”
“Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954,” I.G. Dyadkin
See also the speeches and writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Norman Davies.
You may know of Solzhenitsyn from his famous work, "Gulag Archipelago".
Note, that all of these numbers stop tallying near the end of Stalin's life. However, it should also be noted that many of Stalin's policies lasted long after he died and now that more of the archival material in Russia is being opened, western scholars are finding that many of the programs that caused the directed mass starvation lasted after Stalin's demise for nearly a decade, and according to some account, the starvations and deportations did not wane until as late as the early 70's. This being the case, it will be hard to discern how much actually can be accredited to Stalin, but it is growing more likely that the total numbers could be much higher.
Also, you had not asked about Mao, but it is worth mentioning that I have seen figures as high as 100 million if you include the directed starvation as a method of extermination. As Mao is still a revered figure in China and much of the documentation has only come from defectors from that time, it is fair to point out that there could clearly be a bias towards a higher estimate.
However, I will forward a counter argument to point out that rarely, very rarely has the indication of atrocity ever decreased the number of total killed when thoroughly investigated and all the evidence revealed. There is a reason that China will not allow review of the official records from that period.
Another macabre calculus I have read presented the notion that Mao simply had more to work with for a longer period of time.
If we were to include quietmike's addition of abortion to the numbers, I think the one child policy would increase the numbers attributed to the Chinese communists, but I am not sure if that was a Mao era policy or not and we are singling out individuals.
However the chips may stack, I think the evidence is overwhelming enough to solidify the statement as an accepted fact to say that the greatest mass murders of the 20th century were socialists.
Communism always has its sights set on the world.
This sort of nonsense is silly. Who do you think the SA was fighting in the 1920’s? Antifa.
Hand waving Communism and National Socialism into being the same thing is ignorance. The body count of the Eastern Front attests to that.
There’s been a substantial amount of historical revisionism regarding 1914-1945. Wikipedia is not going to be a good source.
If lots of big name historians and think tanks vouch for a source, be skeptical. If it’s banned, you’re getting warmer.
It's absurd to say shia and sunni are both islamic, as the body counts in the middle east attest to that.
It's absurd to say protestants and catholics are both Christian, as the body count in Northern Ireland attests to that.
You made my point.
"fascism is a religion of the state.it assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people. it is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. it takes responsibility for all aspects of life,including our health and well being,and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action,whether by force or thru regulation and social pressure. everything,including the economy and religion,must be aligned with it's objectives. any rival identity is part of the "problem" and is therefore defined as the enemy."--liberal fascism by jonah goldberg.
i would add that IMHO and knowledge that the group installing this sort of system is always self chosen and either installs itself thru either fraudulent or aggressively manipulated "elections" or,more commonly, at the point of a gun.
i would add that IMHO and knowledge that the group installing this sort of system is always self chosen and either installs itself thru either fraudulent or aggressively manipulated "elections" or,more commonly, at the point of a gun.
No your "point" was that conflating communists and socialists as the same thing was ignorance, based on body counts.
Socialism comes from the ballot box, communism by the cartridge box.
There is no effective difference. Both are the subjugation of individual liberty to the state.
