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EH,
I have my feelings on Kyle's book writing; btw which I didn't read, but it would be tasteless for me to discuss that after his unfortunate passing. As I stated above Beck has every right to do whatever he wants; I was hoping that he would still put this country first after cashing his last paycheck from the Navy. Now if you feel he is doing the right thing for America's younger generation I would love to hear your opinion rather then you simply being "devils advocate"! As far as the book; I will not read it EVER! Now you have every right to buy it, read it, and if so inclined feel free to give us your thoughts upon finishing it. That guy is "hard on my eyes"; regardless of how I try keep an open mind!
 
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To each their own. Again, this worlds going to hell in a hand basket, people need to make choices now...are you in or out? I'll leave it at that as EventHorizon is attempting to elaborate and talk overheads knowing I cannot rebuttle what or why I believe what I do with out getting ban. All I can say is I forgive you for your comments and I will pray for you.
 
[MENTION=30303]EventHorizon[/MENTION]

It doesn't surprise me one bit that you're here championing on the side of immorality and depravity. You've proven yourself time and again to be nothing more than a non-contributing POS peccant. An outsider who loves to thump his chest and be heard while attempting to stifle the voices and beliefs of others. Well fuck you!

Seems as though you have an affinity for all things gay. I've noticed it in your postings that you relish in talking about cocks and gay porn flicks. It's fine, you're free to sleep with whom you wish but it doesn't mean that everyone has to accept your lifestyle.

As far as you bring CPO Kyle into this, if I remember correctly, he wrote his book not for monetary gain or notoriety, he did it to help out wounded veterans. I believe most, if not all of the proceeds from his book went to some charity and he got very little if anything out of it.
 
Slapchop,
Is it me or have you done a 180 from your op? Like I stated perhaps a mistake on my part? Regardless, if you would be kind enough to keep it civil. If I am not wrong you're LE, and I'd bet you'd reconsider once you got past your emotions. Once you lose your head; they got you!
 
EH,
I have my feelings on Kyle's book writing; btw which I didn't read, but it would be tasteless for me to discuss that after his unfortunate passing. As I stated above Beck has every right to do whatever he wants; I was hoping that he would still put this country first after cashing his last paycheck from the Navy. Now if you feel he is doing the right thing for America's younger generation I would love to hear your opinion rather then you simply being "devils advocate"! As far as the book; I will not read it EVER! Now you have every right to buy it, read it, and if so inclined feel free to give us your thoughts upon finishing it. That guy is "hard on my eyes"; regardless of how I try keep an open mind!

I believe he's an inspiring figure in that he put his country first before his own desires. He did so for a very long time. I believe he's inspiring because he pushed his commitment to a level that I personally have never committed to anything in my life. His personal life, his gender identity I view as an anomaly, a physical one that manifests itself in his gender choice and sexuality. I don't view it as a moral issue and there's 20 years of empirical evidence to strongly suggest it played no negative role in the quality of his service - your jokes and uninformed assertions aside. I don't believe he has any more choice over who he is and what he wants to be than you or I do. This is the point Phil was making but was ridiculed for as being Dr Phil.

You don't want to read the book, fine. Don't judge him on it for writing it when you clearly don't know what it's about or the tone it's written it.

Now, as for 'still putting his country first'. I just can't believe this statement. Again, 20 years not enough for you?
 
Slapchop,
Is it me or have you done a 180 from your op? Like I stated perhaps a mistake on my part? Regardless, if you would be kind enough to keep it civil. If I am not wrong you're LE, and I'd bet you'd reconsider once you got past your emotions. Once you lose your head; they got you!

Slap's a coward. He didn't get all manly and call this SEAL a faggot until other's showed their disgust. He turned tail and ran like a pussy when other's started calling him out on the Boston thread.
 
Slapchop,
Is it me or have you done a 180 from your op? Like I stated perhaps a mistake on my part? Regardless, if you would be kind enough to keep it civil. If I am not wrong you're LE, and I'd bet you'd reconsider once you got past your emotions. Once you lose your head; they got you!

I respect what the guy did while he was in uniform. I wouldn't infringe upon his decision to live his life however he wants. I don't however agree with the lifestyle nor do I have to. I don't like things like this being shoved down peoples throats. Being in LE has NOTHING to do with this discussion whatsoever. My opinion is mine and mine alone.
 
Slap's a coward. He didn't get all manly and call this SEAL a faggot until other's showed their disgust. He turned tail and ran like a pussy when other's started calling him out on the Boston thread.

I see you're still stuck in the past ehh? That's not how I recall it one bit. Then again it wouldn't be the first time you've lied and made things up in order to get a point across. You're known for it around here. You can call me whatever you'd like but one thing you can't accuse me is of being shy or hiding behind others. I make my opinons known regardless of how unpopular they maybe. You on the other hand can't stand on your own.
 
Again, 20 years not enough for you?
No Sir; it is not! No Sir, not just because he was a Navy Seal, but he is an American! Who exactly do you think is inspired by him? There may or may not be all kinds of medical reasons for his state; that isn't my issue. If you feel like he is doing this Country service by "coming out" we obviously don't share the same views!
 
No Sir; it is not! No Sir, not just because he was a Navy Seal, but he is an American! Who exactly do you think is inspired by him? There may or may not be all kinds of medical reasons for his state; that isn't my issue. If you feel like he is doing this Country service by "coming out" we obviously don't share the same views!

I don't think he's doing a disservice. I think he'd doing what he's totally entitled to do, pursue his happiness as how he defines it. He's not going around schools telling kids to change their genders or saying being gay is the best thing and hetrosexuality is bad. He's just being himself. He doesn't owe this country any more than any other American who makes their own life choices.

I'm more pissed about men who have untold children and don't bother being a father to a single one of them. Of people who play no role in their country's governance, of the people in power who feel as those that power is ordained rather than loaned to them, who think people should have their rights infringed and be grateful for those who simply know better. I can't stand people who know more about useless celebrities than they do about their own neighbours, schools or communities and don't see a problem with that. These are the things that are doing a disservice to this country. Not some guy who writes a book about how he's always wanted to be a woman and while he wasn't a woman, he was deployed overseas killing bad guys.

As SlurpCock will readily testify (when his mouth isn't full of Bloomballs) I make a lot of gay jokes. A lot. I find them funny. Likewise I make a lot of racist jokes - against all races and I'm busy compiling a compendium of Amish jokes being a new arrival in PA. I've not got a culturally sensitive atom in my body. But genuinely judging someone who 'comes out' as though they're a confessed criminal is just wrong. To me, that's as plain as night and day and I guess you're right, we don't see things the same way. I'm grateful to Beck for having fought hard, for 20 years, to allow me the chance to live in a country where anyone can and should have the right to disagree with whoever they want and if Beck ever asked me if her dress makes her look fat I'd say 'No ma'am, you look great' and give her SlurpCock's number.

Take care all, be safe and good night.
 
Being in LE has NOTHING to do with this discussion whatsoever. My opinion is mine and mine alone.
W/ all due respect that seems to be the argument this "ex seal" is using! One's sense of duty shouldn't stop going after punching out the time clock.
 
When we are no longer in a position to judge, we will be dead. We all judge every day, its how we survive. If I see a shitbag walking towards me on a dark street, Im going the other way. If I see a truck swerving on the road, I avoid him. People are and always will judge someone by their appearance, attitudes, and activities. It is the loss of judgement that will destroy this country.
 
Pat has given me the strength to share a life long secret with you guys, for all of my life I have felt I should of been born a horse. I have always been unhappy cause my schlong is not big enough, therefore, as of today, I have decided to get my weener enlarged when I retire. Wow I feel better for getting that out there
 
Pat has given me the strength to share a life long secret with you guys, for all of my life I have felt I should of been born a horse. I have always been unhappy cause my schlong is not big enough, therefore, as of today, I have decided to get my weener enlarged when I retire. Wow I feel better for getting that out there
Try this; don't ask me no questions, and I won't tell you any lies!
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When is she appearing in the Hot Girlfriends thread ?...come on Shankster, post a pic of your new girl...she's way hot :p
 
True, but for the most part NYPD cops don't have access to top secret information or deal with matters involving national security. These guys take an oath to do what they do and to do it from the shadows, in the dark of night. I would say that most of them adhere to those ethos but as always, there are those that need to tell everyone else how great they are. Or in this case, how confused/conflicted they are. Personally I think its tasteless but every circle has its attention whores.

I'd disagree with part of your first statement. I won't get into what or why, but if you want to PM me about it, then I'll discuss it there. Also, on a separate issue... ALL the classified info that is deemed unsafe for public viewing is redacted by the Pentagon's own censors. It gets erased. Every service member agrees to this arraignment, when they first join. There is no breach or leaks of national security when a book is written by any member of the armed forces.

Also, I'm a bit disgusted that the VA is using taxpayer money in order to give this guy hormone therapy but that is a whole different topic.
If you have a link or some source that you are citing, for the taxpayer funded hormone therapy then could you post it, or provide it?

I am grateful for his service as he did it for a long time and served honorably but he has put yet another nail in the coffin. Our morals and values are quickly being eroded and stunts like this only serve to further that erosion.

I keep hearing this way too often. The world isn't going down the tubes, you're just watching too much of the crap on TV and the internet, and talking about it. From there you're giving it power over you, and strengthening more of the 'Us vs. Them' mentality, by lashing out against it. Then those people who you hate will look at your own anger, and say 'See? We have to band together because of this'

You claim this book, and this move, might be something more than done out financial means, and out of a need for celebrity, so you have no problem generating interest for the book, be it good or bad isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying that you're just giving more celebrity to this book, then what could have been done, and simply ignore it. Granted because of this topic, I can assume that someone reading this topic will go out and buy this person's book just to understand more about the author, and what went through in that person's life.

So, in short, you shot yourself in the foot, metaphorically speaking. You made a topic about something that you hated, and was against your beliefs, but all your really doing is generating interest, and publicity in this, which is what you didn't want on this issue, because you think there is too much publicity in it already.

Ignore something if you hate it so much, and don't be surprised if it suddenly disappears from your thoughts. Encourage other people to do the same, and don't be surprised if it disappears from TV, the internet, and every mass media hub altogether.
 
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W/ all due respect that seems to be the argument this "ex seal" is using! One's sense of duty shouldn't stop going after punching out the time clock.

A duty to what exactly Turk? I'm merely an anonymous entity posting my own private opinion with no affiliations to anyone or anything whatsoever. Would you have said the same thing if I was an electrician, bus driver or forklift operator? What I do for a living has zero bearing on this discussion.

He on the other hand is using his status as a SEAL to further his own agenda/lifestyle. There is difference
 
To each their own. Again, this worlds going to hell in a hand basket, people need to make choices now...are you in or out? I'll leave it at that as EventHorizon is attempting to elaborate and talk overheads knowing I cannot rebuttle what or why I believe what I do with out getting ban. All I can say is I forgive you for your comments and I will pray for you.

My points weren't an attempt to draw you out into trouble. Others raised beliefs etc and I responded on point. Thank you for your prayers and forgiveness (sincerely). You in turn have mine.

Be well and enjoy the weekend.
 
Slapchop,
While I agree w/ your statement about his agenda; I believe you are entrusted w/ certain "powers" while off duty? I believe w/ those powers comes a sense of responsibility and duty while being off duty? I mean this w/ praise, electricians and FL operators aren't "public servants"; as such you are held to higher standards! Not a bad thing really; actually something to be proud of. While you may feel you don't owe society anything while off the clock; we expect conduct fitting of a "Pillar of Society"! Never miss an opportunity to set good examples for the younger generation.
 
Well that's not exactly what I mean, but if that's the way you perceived it oh well. Trust me though, if anybody is coming off as a prick it's you.
 
Well that's not exactly what I mean, but if that's the way you perceived it oh well. Trust me though, if anybody is coming off as a prick it's you.

I wished you well and a good weekend. That's me being a prick...?
 
I wished you well and a good weekend. That's me being a prick...?

No not at all, I didn't mean to sound like one by that statement I was just stating an opinion. Its hard with text as you can not envoke inflection. That statement was in regard to calling people pricks and cussing. I was just stating that thats probably what it looks like to most. No ill feelings intended. Have a good weekend too.
 
Ok so I'm a little lost at some of the comments here.. I really need for some one to explain to me why there is any opposition to this guy. AT ALL!!!!

Here is a guy that not only fought for his country for 20 years but did it in the most elite group the United States has. He has probably had his life on the line more than 99% of the people that frequent this forum. The thing is he did it to protect this country regardless of what his motivations were. He was lucky enough to survive his 20 years of service. SERVICE to YOU! and ME!...His service was to protect our rights to openly believe the way we want. this country was not founded as a Christian country it was founded as a non denominational country for a reason. A large portion of the founding fathers were atheists. My point here is he fought and risked his life so that you can believe in god so that you can live by your moral standards openly without discrimination. With out persecution and judgment....BUT ! that's not good enough because for some of you he does not deserve the same rights that he afforded you. why? I don't get it.

Does he not deserve to be able to freely live his life the way he wants within the laws of the land ?
And if your doing your job as a parent than this would not affect your kids in any way they should be able to read his book and say good for him. its not the way I would live my life but good for him. He's not the one knocking on my door a few times a month trying to sell me his beliefs. he just wrote a book and offered it. You can make the decision to buy it or not.. Unlike some groups that knock on my door, leave pamphlets under my wind shield wiper in the parking lot, stand on the street corner with a bull horn yelling there beliefs in my ear, Try to hand me leaflets in the grocery store parking lot and on and on. He/ she has earned his right to live the life he desires to live. he will get no persecution or judgment from me its not my job to do that. never was never will be. there is only one who can judge a man and I guarantee its not any of you..

My hat is off to him with much respect. He defines what it is to be an American.. fearless, service, honorable, and determined.
 
Ok so I'm a little lost at some of the comments here.. I really need for some one to explain to me why there is any opposition to this guy. AT ALL!!!!

Here is a guy that not only fought for his country for 20 years but did it in the most elite group the United States has. He has probably had his life on the line more than 99% of the people that frequent this forum. The thing is he did it to protect this country regardless of what his motivations were. He was lucky enough to survive his 20 years of service. SERVICE to YOU! and ME!...His service was to protect our rights to openly believe the way we want. this country was not founded as a Christian country it was founded as a non denominational country for a reason. A large portion of the founding fathers were atheists. My point here is he fought and risked his life so that you can believe in god so that you can live by your moral standards openly without discrimination. With out persecution and judgment....BUT ! that's not good enough because for some of you he does not deserve the same rights that he afforded you. why? I don't get it.

Does he not deserve to be able to freely live his life the way he wants within the laws of the land ?
And if your doing your job as a parent than this would not affect your kids in any way they should be able to read his book and say good for him. its not the way I would live my life but good for him. He's not the one knocking on my door a few times a month trying to sell me his beliefs. he just wrote a book and offered it. You can make the decision to buy it or not.. Unlike some groups that knock on my door, leave pamphlets under my wind shield wiper in the parking lot, stand on the street corner with a bull horn yelling there beliefs in my ear, Try to hand me leaflets in the grocery store parking lot and on and on. He/ she has earned his right to live the life he desires to live. he will get no persecution or judgment from me its not my job to do that. never was never will be. there is only one who can judge a man and I guarantee its not any of you..

My hat is off to him with much respect. He defines what it is to be an American.. fearless, service, honorable, and determined.

Well said and I don't disagree with anything you wrote. My point of contention is, why "come out"? Why thrust yourself and lifestyle into the limelight like that? I really don't care that he's transgender or whatever but why the need to broadcast it to the world? What is to gain by doing this to yourself, teammates and family? I'm legitimately curious.
 
Kudos for his service, not so much for the other. There are a lot of things that I would like to say about the subject at hand, but I don't want to say anything derogatory about someone who toed the line for our freedom. I guess because of that freedom, he got to do what he wanted for himself no matter if I or anyone else agree with him or not.
 
He defines what it is to be an American.. fearless, service, honorable, and determined.

If he was so "fearless" why didn't he "come out" before leaving the Seals; or did he? He admitted on the video that he joined the Navy to overcome his struggles w/ his gender; it's clear in the video serving the country was secondary at best. Determined he is; I'll give you that, but for what is the question? I am a little unclear as to why you are suggesting that society is better served by this guy coming out after serving w/ the Seals; w/ the exception of the ones who are excercising their alternative lifestyle? Let me ask you this if you will; what if he was straight, but was antigun? How would you feel then? Can you think of a better way to launch a self serving agenda; regardless of what it does to our country? You want peace and want to be left alone; well how about not getting on national TV !
 
If he was so "fearless" why didn't he "come out" before leaving the Seals; or did he? He admitted on the video that he joined the Navy to overcome his struggles w/ his gender; it's clear in the video serving the country was secondary at best. Determined he is; I'll give you that, but for what is the question? I am a little unclear as to why you are suggesting that society is better served by this guy coming out after serving w/ the Seals; w/ the exception of the ones who are excercising their alternative lifestyle? Let me ask you this if you will; what if he was straight, but was antigun? How would you feel then? Can you think of a better way to launch a self serving agenda; regardless of what it does to our country? You want peace and want to be left alone; well how about not getting on national TV !

WELL, to answer those questions....you'll just have to buy the book!

CNN Latest section of interview: Exclusive: Transgender former SEAL tells her story ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs
 
If he was so "fearless" why didn't he "come out" before leaving the Seals; or did he? He admitted on the video that he joined the Navy to overcome his struggles w/ his gender; it's clear in the video serving the country was secondary at best. Determined he is; I'll give you that, but for what is the question? I am a little unclear as to why you are suggesting that society is better served by this guy coming out after serving w/ the Seals; w/ the exception of the ones who are excercising their alternative lifestyle? Let me ask you this if you will; what if he was straight, but was antigun? How would you feel then? Can you think of a better way to launch a self serving agenda; regardless of what it does to our country? You want peace and want to be left alone; well how about not getting on national TV !

WELL, to answer those questions....you'll just have to buy the book!

CNN Latest section of interview: Exclusive: Transgender former SEAL tells her story ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs
 
I wonder if I got a penile enlargement so I could wrap it around my shoulders if it'd get all the support that's been given to a guy chopping his off?


Seriously though its fucking disturbing. JMHO
 
Well said and I don't disagree with anything you wrote. My point of contention is, why "come out"? Why thrust yourself and lifestyle into the limelight like that? I really don't care that he's transgender or whatever but why the need to broadcast it to the world? What is to gain by doing this to yourself, teammates and family? I'm legitimately curious.

Well, pure speculation of coarse but I assume it's for the same reasons anyone champions for any cause they believe in. Regardless of others views or my own, obviously this individual views that what he is doing is the right choice for him. Perhaps he wants to show others who clearly view him and those like him as the downfall of all that is good and moral in the world, that he or "she" is still a hard working, country loving individual who just wants to be excepted for what he "she" is.


I don't believe that a individual who has put foot to ass for their country for 20 years as a Seal has no honor or morals. Some of you act as if you would rather have a drug dealer, or rapist live next to you than this person. If your beliefs are really so strong then i dare you to challenge them and make a attempt to get to know someone like this person and see if they are as horrible as you believe. I have known people like him in my years and there are assholes and sinners among every type of man and I don't believe any more or less so among those that are gay/bi/transexual or whatever. I also don't believe that his choice affects me or my future children in any way other than that in America it's your right to stand up for what you believe in even if it's different from what I believe.

BTW this is not directed at you Slap just general thoughts.
 
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At one point being a Christian would have gotten you killed, or tortured.. so why was it important to stand up and say I'm a Christian. why not just shut up about it and live your life in secrecy and underground. So that you did not offend those around you and risk persecution and ridicule . This is not about religion at all this is about freedom. why keep quiet about it Hmmm I wonder. May be because he wanted to do his duty but knew under the scrutiny of others he would not be able to fully do his job? this guy is more honorable than 80% of the bible thumpers I know.
 
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At one point being a Christian would have gotten you killed, or tortured.. so why was it important to stand up and say I'm a Christian. why not just shut up about it and live your life in secrecy and underground. So that you did not offend those around you and risk persecution and ridicule . This is not about religion at all this is about freedom. why keep quiet about it Hmmm I wonder. May be because he wanted to do his duty but knew under the scrutiny of others he would not be able to fully do his job? this guy is more honorable than 80% of the bible thumpers I know.
No one has brought religion in to this other then you! People mentioned "beliefs"; which aren't necessarily based on religion. He could've come out and stated he was in the military, ...navy, but he had to go for the Seals, and if I am not mistaken there was even some mention of "Team 6"; oh yeah I forgot that he was so conveniently interviewed by Anderson Cooper who just so happens to be gay! Most don't give a rat's ass as to what he does in private. Again, this isn't about religion so leave religion out of it! let me ask you this; why is this even in the news, other then the obvious?
 
Your rite its not about religion as I have stated as well its about freedom. I used Christianity as a simple example of people that were once persecuted, tortured, and killed for there belief's. I could have used Rosa Parks as an example . Why did she just not sit in the back of the buss instead of making all the other entitled white people on the bus uncomfortable by sitting in the front of the bus. She should have just shut her mouth and gone back to her place rite. Or why did women have to fight for there rite to vote? guess they should have just shut up too and gone back to there place in the kitchen. Rite..

So I guess this guy should just shut up and conform to what popular society deems as normal so that you can feel comfortable. ITs not like he fought for your rites for 20 years so that you can limit his. I have an idea why don't you wright him/her a letter. And say I thank you for fighting for me for the last 20 years so that I can have the rite to wright you this letter and tell you to shut up and go live in a dark corner some where. Because I don't have the same beliefs that you do. Also state your credentials and what you have done in service that entitles you to limit or discriminate agents his life style.
 
My credentials are Straight American Citizen that doesn't deem necessary to see the younger generation subjected to the agenda of individuals living out of the norms of society while "defacing" (no pun intended) the Seals! And no one here has attempted to take away any of his rights.
 
I respect the service.

Hypothetical question.

I understand a family member giving unconditional support and love. This is a given.

As the parent of a child can you truthfully say this is a path you want your child on?

If "No" why would you support an agenda that wants it to be a mainstream lifestyle?

...and I dont understand the mechanism of how one gets here - nature vs nurture?

I was surprised at the prewiring my son and daughter exhibit

I think society needs a balance of Athens and Sparta. Currently we suffer from too much Athens.
 
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I have come to the conclusion that the SEALS have become too public with too much, mission critical methods and detail (and bizarre in this case), Transwhatever is just a new wedge for the haters to tear down military traditions in my view. WGAF if this dude went off the rails and castrated himself to make himself feel better, who knows what lurks in peoples minds. Whatever happened to keeping your mouth shut and doing what needs doing. I really feel that the SEALS are approaching USMC levels of organizational self promotion and myth building. In the USMC case its institutional and policy as they are a Navy asset and have to fight for every dollar so I understand, I feel the actions of the SEALS over the past 10 years have crossed the line to self interest in a lot of cases. From news reports the American public would surmise the Green Berets and Rangers have never left CONUS.
 
The only agenda I support is fredome. Your rite there is a lopsided amount of Sparta 76 percent of Americans fall under a certain set of beliefs. They have multiple TV and other media company's they are tax exempt and the cry fowl any time there is any thing that is insensitive to there beliefs and practically bully into submission any one who does not believe as they do. The same thing that has been said here many times could be said about this group. As well why don't they just keep to them selves and live there lives in silence. Not every one believes as you for or as I do. But that's the point of America is any it. Freedom to believe and speakand live as you want. Even more so for some one who has defiantly earned it
 
An Airman that I flew with did the same thing once he got out. Doesn't bother me one bit. Why did they do it? I don't know why. The mind is a crazy mine field of things that happened to you throughout your life. Does it effect me negatively? Nope. This life is too short to go through it miserably if there is something you can do to change it. My buddy that got the switch now lives with her wife. They are lesbians. I support their being happy.

I had just joined the service and was home on leave around Christmas, my dad surprised me and my 16yo brother with a fishing trip to Mexico. We went to Rocky Point on a guided 4 day grouper/whatever else was biting trip. The boat we chartered died on us about 25 miles out in the Sea of Cortez, (there wasnt a working radio in the crappy boat, someone had stolen it). We drifted about 8 hours, about 2 hours into our adventure a storm began rolling in. I signaled to all the shrimp boats that were taking refuge behind an island (Bird Island for those who know Rocky Point) but it seemed pointless. Finally one saw us and came to help. We threw them a line to which they attached a big line and towed/dragged us around the back of the island before we got on their boat. It was a scary ride. We, my dad, brother, guide and myself, had all been seasick throughout the day and were feeling like death. The crew took us onboard and took great care of us. The cook, Maria, made us eat even though we didnt want to. She insisted that we would feel better with food in our systems. She was right. My dad and I both speak Spanish fluently and were thanking the crew for rescuing us and feeding and sheltering us till the storm ended. We knew something was different with Maria. The crew of the boat kind of joked about her but said that she was the best cook they had ever had on their boat. They cut their trip short and took us back to the harbor. My brother (16yo) in the morning realized that Maria had been born Mario and was disgusted and said he wouldn't eat anything else she made. The smell of fresh shrimp, grouper and rice beans and corn tortillas changed his mind. This is a long drawn out story, but ,my point is that when your life depends on someone else, all the bullshit homophobic feelings or fears don't matter. If they do their job and you do yours, everybody goes home. If I were to see Maria/Mario today, I would buy her a beer and thank her again for helping me and my family out in one of my darkest hours.
 
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there once was this book that many people believe in, they follow it and it says this behavior is wrong. Any person that believes in a higher power of any type pretty much believes that the higher power made them the way they are, people are not legos. Being called a bigot for having a faith and believing something is wrong is laughable. Now, does this person have anything to do with me and my life, not at all, do I care how this person lives and does to itself, not at all, but that does not mean I have to believe nor say it's ok when in discussion. Why does this person need to write a book about being a seal first if it is finally content with itself? It's all about the noteriaty and money. Being a seal for years is that extra oompf for the bizarre that grips peoples attention to go spend 15 bucks on a book. So if this person wrote it to share it's feelings and story with other folks out there with "identity crisis" to help them, why such a push on the seal piece? like I said, it's sick and wrong, it's all about the intrigue and shock factor, all for the money. Am I mad at this person for wanting to make a buck, not at all. Would I ever wish ill will on this person, not at all. Does it's being a seal have anything to do with how I look at this person, not at all.
 
I knew Chris (and family) when I was growing up and they still live in town (small rural town). I'd never have guessed this is how things would have turned out for him but it's his life. I respect him/her for the time in service and to live life as he/she pleases. Yes I've communicated with him since this broke out and don't have any issue with it. It's his life not mine.

By the way, Chris was class 179, Then One, warcom, Team Five, dev, then retired at HQ.
 
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I support any individuals choice to live as they choose.

The point of my post is the litmus test,

Is this a path you would have no problem with if your kids chose to take it?

The happiness of your kids is the parents greatest desire but I, selfishly, would be disappointed if they lived a non traditional lifestyle. I dont think this lifestyle can be truly chosen, I think either physical or life experience issues are involved.

Regards my Athens vs Sparta comment. Its Athens that I think we suffer from an overdose of. We seem to be moving away from standards and accountability. If you stand for nothing, you are nothing.

I am bothered by the fact that even if one side agrees that the individual has a right to live their choices it is not accepted that another side can choose to believe that choice is wrong. The freedom of one is demanded at the expense of the other.
 
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I support any individuals choice to live as they choose.

The point of my post is the litmus test,

Is this a path you would have no problem with if your kids chose to take it?

The happiness of your kids is the parents greatest desire but I, selfishly, would be disappointed if they lived a non traditional lifestyle. I dont think this lifestyle can be truly chosen, I think either physical or life experience issues are involved.

Regards my Athens vs Sparta comment. Its Athens that I think we suffer from an overdose of. We seem to be moving away from standards and accountability. If you stand for nothing, you are nothing.

I am bothered by the fact that even if one side agrees that the individual has a right to live their choices it is not accepted that another side can choose to believe that choice is wrong. The freedom of one is demanded at the expense of the other.

The litmus test is false because you're suggesting that if one doesn't view Beck's actions as wrong then they must be willing for their own children to do and live as he does. That's not a realistic premise. I would not want my kids to be gay. I feel this way because like you, I want them to have a traditional life and I want to be a granddad and all that jazz. I do want them to be happy however and I would want them to be able to live their lives unfettered by others forcing their opinions on them and determining how they can live their lives.

Beck has every right to do what he is doing. I have every right to view his actions however I please. I have no right to suggest that he should not be allowed to do this. The former is a personal opinion, the latter is bigotry. What I believe in, however passionately, is irrelevant to the personal freedoms of others. It's there in the Constitution. To those who who say this person can have those freedoms but he shouldn't make a big deal about it - well, why not? Why should he be ashamed? Why should he be ashamed and yet other can be loud and proud of their beliefs and lifestyle? Because having a belief makes you a better person?

It's simply hypocrisy.

In a culture that is increasingly being called the 'Me Generation' I'm grateful there are people like Beck who can for so long put aside their personal desires in order to serve this country. It's not something I could have done let alone the nature of how he served and where I'm weak I'm grateful for the strength in others and their actions. I'll buy the book. I won't however watch the CNN interview as I don't watch that channel or the drivel they pass as news.

On another note I want to apologize for calling people pricks etc. It's uncalled for and it's a direct symptom of feeling brave behind a keyboard.
 
I can not help but to wonder how everyone's responses would be different, if rather than announcing that he was a fag, he had announced he was a member of the KKK.
 
I can not help but to wonder how everyone's responses would be different, if rather than announcing that he was a fag, he had announced he was a member of the KKK.
Before you start stirring the pot; understand the difference between gay or "fag" as you put it and transgender! I believe he didn't come out stating that he was gay!
 
Before you start stirring the pot; understand the difference between gay or "fag" as you put it and transgender! I believe he didn't come out stating that he was gay!
There is no difference.