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No Wall, No Border, You get to keep Obama Care

A convention of the states will completely dismantle what is left of the Constitution . Do you really think these scumbags will allow the States let alone you to define and claim your God given Constitutional rights . The Empie will not allow it .

Everyone is afraid of a "runaway convention" Would you rather they take it all away slowly like they have been doing or just jerk it out from underneath us real quick? If they dismantle everything then fine, we can have our second revolution. We can fall divided. That is what I think will happen. Thats why I say move somewhere with likeminded people an get ready. When there is no USA to defend, you might as well be defending the Republic of Wyoming or Idaho because that is all that will be left. Waiting for the UN peacekeepers.
 
How old are you?

Conservative voters are dying in droves. The only thing stopping leftists is that a lot of them don't vote.

Guess whats changing? Liberals are showing up to polls. Turns out "triggering the libs" isn't a viable long term strategy. Especially when they are completely incapable of governing. Every core value conservatives claimed to hold has been thrown out in subservience to Trump.

What we need on this site is way to vote off the retards.
 
A house divided against itself shall not stand.

Also, in the Gospel of Matthew 12:25, KJV:

25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto him, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:​

I don't post scripture very often, I don't usually think it's a wise thing to do here, and don't intend to start a personal trend now; but I do think this verse has relevance today.

The Democrats are flying in the face of historical precedent with their foolhardy defiance of the will of the electorate, their constitutionally mandated duties, and even their own political interests. Their leaders insist upon waging an adolescent staring contest with their rivals, and are deliberately trying to bring down their own government and nation.

I think they should be fiercely held to their obligations and dealt with as harshly as the law allows.

Their mulish dedication to the extremist principles they are pushing are far too similar to what preceded Lincoln's seminal speech of 1858, and ignoring it embroiled our nation into a bloody and devastating civil war. I think a repeat is far too possible right now.

This nation just can't seem to get its stuff together when the concept of race is thrown into its politics. The liberals just can't seem to recognize that they are playing with political hellfire, and continually skirt this third rail in the delusion that it can only harm their opponents. They are wrong, and maybe soon, dead wrong.

Unlike in the 1860's this nation is surrounded by hostility abroad that can turn into a debilitating attack at the first sign of genuine weakness in our military, government, or economy, all of which are under serious strain at this juncture, in no small part as a direct consequence of Democratic partisan political opportunism.

In such times, buffoons like Kim can become far more realistic threats, especially when one understands that some of those NoKo nuke missile tests involved SLBM's. We are dealing with attacks that can be over in well under an hour; with escalating Armageddon soon to follow.

I honestly believe it's time for Trump to send a copy of Lincoln's speech to every member of both houses of Congress with the explicit admonition that when the shots start flying, internally or externally, he will declare martial law, and ALL their asses will be forfeit; because we are facing down the same dire consequences as back in 1860. Both Houses, and both parties are full participants in the current mockery of government of, by, and for the people.

Disloyalty has its price, and the Democrats seem to think they are somehow immune. Personally, I don't want to see them get what they're begging for; because if I do, it means that we as an entire nation have reached that proverbial really, really bad place.

It's not so far away, people.

Greg
 
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You don't have to vote anybody off. Just click their username under their icon and click ignore.

Jerry, I like you, but you're too far over the top these days. I think you should rein it in for awhile.
 
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First off Trump is a huge win no matter what, we could have ended up with that Cunt in office and this country would have been destroyed so thank God Trump even ran. Second, It's only been a year. Trump is not a dictator and has to work within the framework and it's a pain in the ass because everyone is against him. At least he had the nutsack to run and fight all these scumbags. Trump is in this for the long game. Alot of his promises will take time to come thru, and yes some of them we may have to compromise. That's the way this Republic was set up so there was not dictatorship. Have some faith and show some support. Jerry your ready to throw in the towel after the first quarter of the game. Stay in the game for all 4 quarters please, its the only way we can win. The first year was a good year despite the fact that Trump is fighting everyone. Its going to keep getting better and we need every voter in 2018. Trump will still be our best bet then as well. That old Cunt on the supreme court will die soon and we can get another conservative in the Supreme Court. Stay with us Jerry!
 
Obamacare, you still live with it
Wall,,, nope
Illegals ,,,, Still here
Daca Illegals ,,,, about to get amnesty
Blowing the budget ,,, yeah he just did that
Drain the Swamp, nope, he put the biggest SWAMPTHINGS in CHarge of DRaining it, and surprise surprise its not draining, its filling up higher than ever
Lock her up ,, lock her up,,, you fuking kidding me, he let the right hand man get appointed to clean up hwatever Bleach Bit could not clean, he keeps that little mouse sessions in charge of running interference for the Swamp,
No one indictment or anyone involved in undermining our republic in the last election.

Bottom line if Trump was a contestant on his own show he would fire himself. Facts are facts, results are results, don't be a fool.
 
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Obamacare, you still live with it
Wall,,, nope
Illegals ,,,, Still here
Daca Illegals ,,,, about to get amnesty
Blowing the budget ,,, yeah he just did that
Drain the Swamp, nope, he put the biggest SWAMPTHINGS in CHarge of DRaining it, and surprise surprise its not draining, its filling up higher than ever
Lock her up ,, lock her up,,, you fuking kidding me, he let the right hand man get appointed to clean up hwatever Bleach Bit could not clean, he keeps that little mouse sessions in charge of running interference for the Swamp,
No one indictment or anyone involved in undermining our republic in the last election.

Bottom line if Trump was a contestant on hoi own show he would fire himself. Facts are facts, results are results, don't be a fool.
Cha Chink
 
Well fuck it then, I will vote for Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, Micheal Bloomberg or whoever the Dems put up then since Trump sucks so bad. If your gonna bitch about everything he does then I suggest you find a better canidate that can win and get his ass into that office? So who is your man?
 
Jerry, in response to your admonition:
DC Needs Dismantling
I very politely asked you what you would replace it with. You did not favor me with a response.

You are getting very accomplished at slinging the poo. But are you any good at coming up with constructive alternatives?

With genuine respect, I repeat the question.

Greg
 
Article 5. Remove all power from the central government and put it back in the states hands where the 10th ammendment says it belongs. Simple as that.

Jerry, in response to your admonition: I very politely asked you what you would replace it with. You did not favor me with a response.

You are getting very accomplished at slinging the poo. But are you any good at coming up with constructive alternatives?

With genuine respect, I repeat the question.

Greg
 
In case you need a refresher from 3rd grade civics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
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The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.[1] It expresses the principle of federalism and states' rights, which strictly supports the entire plan of the original Constitution for the United States of America, by stating that the federal government possesses only those powers delegated to it by the United States Constitution. All remaining powers are reserved for the states or the people.

The amendment was proposed by Congress in 1789 during its first term following the Constitutional Convention and ratification of the Constitution. It was considered by many members as a prerequisite of such ratification[2] particularly to satisfy demands by the Anti-Federalism movement that opposed the creation of a stronger U.S. federal government.

In drafting this amendment, its framers had two purposes in mind: first, as a necessary rule of construction; and second, as a reaffirmation of the nature of the federal system of freedom.[3][4]

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The full text of the amendment reads as follows:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.[5]

The Bill of Rights in the National Archives



The hand-written copy of the proposed Bill of Rights, 1789, cropped to just show the text that would later be ratified as the Tenth Amendment

Drafting and adoption[edit]
The Tenth Amendment is similar to an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation: "Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."[6] After the Constitution was ratified, South Carolina Representative Thomas Tudor Tucker and Massachusetts Representative Elbridge Gerry separately proposed similar amendments limiting the federal government to powers "expressly" delegated, which would have denied implied powers.[7] James Madison opposed the amendments, stating that "it was impossible to confine a Government to the exercise of express powers; there must necessarily be admitted powers by implication, unless the Constitution descended to recount every minutia."[7] When a vote on this version of the amendment with "expressly delegated" was defeated, Connecticut Representative Roger Sherman drafted the Tenth Amendment in its ratified form, omitting "expressly."[8] Sherman's language allowed for an expansive reading of the powers implied by the Necessary and Proper Clause.[8][9]

When he introduced the Tenth Amendment in Congress, James Madison explained that many states were eager to ratify this amendment, despite critics who deemed the amendment superfluous or unnecessary:

I find, from looking into the amendments proposed by the State conventions, that several are particularly anxious that it should be declared in the Constitution, that the powers not therein delegated should be reserved to the several States. Perhaps words which may define this more precisely than the whole of the instrument now does, may be considered as superfluous. I admit they may be deemed unnecessary: but there can be no harm in making such a declaration, if gentlemen will allow that the fact is as stated. I am sure I understand it so, and do therefore propose it.[10]
The states decided to ratify the Tenth Amendment, and thus declined to signal that there are unenumerated powers in addition to unenumerated rights.[11][12] The amendment rendered unambiguous what had previously been at most a mere suggestion or implication.

The phrase "..., or to the people." was appended in handwriting by the clerk of the Senate as the Bill of Rights circulated between the two Houses of Congress.[13][14]

Judicial interpretation[edit]
The Tenth Amendment, which makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited to only the powers granted in the Constitution, has been declared to be a truism by the Supreme Court. In United States v. Sprague (1931) the Supreme Court asserted that the amendment "added nothing to the [Constitution] as originally ratified."[15]

States and local governments have occasionally attempted to assert exemption from various federal regulations, especially in the areas of labor and environmental controls, using the Tenth Amendment as a basis for their claim. An often-repeated quote, from United States v. Darby Lumber Co.,[16] reads as follows:

The amendment states but a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered. There is nothing in the history of its adoption to suggest that it was more than declaratory of the relationship between the national and state governments as it had been established by the Constitution before the amendment or that its purpose was other than to allay fears that the new national government might seek to exercise powers not granted, and that the states might not be able to exercise fully their reserved powers.​
Forced participation or commandeering[edit]

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The Supreme Court rarely declares laws unconstitutional for violating the Tenth Amendment. In the modern era, the Court has only done so where the federal government compels the states to enforce federal statutes. In 1992, in New York v. United States,[17] for only the second time in 55 years, the Supreme Court invalidated a portion of a federal law for violating the Tenth Amendment. The case challenged a portion of the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Amendments Act of 1985. The act provided three incentives for states to comply with statutory obligations to provide for the disposal of low-level radioactive waste. The first two incentives were monetary. The third, which was challenged in the case, obliged states to take title to any waste within their borders that was not disposed of prior to January 1, 1996, and made each state liable for all damages directly related to the waste. The Court, in a 6–3 decision, ruled that the imposition of that obligation on the states violated the Tenth Amendment. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote that the federal government can encourage the states to adopt certain regulations through the spending power (e.g. by attaching conditions to the receipt of federal funds, see South Dakota v. Dole,[18] or through the commerce power (by directly pre-empting state law). However, Congress cannot directly compel states to enforce federal regulations.

In 1998, the Court again ruled that the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act violated the Tenth Amendment in Printz v. United States.[19] The act required state and local law enforcement officials to conduct background checks on people attempting to purchase handguns. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, applied New York v. United Statesto show that the law violated the Tenth Amendment. Since the act "forced participation of the State's executive in the actual administration of a federal program", it was unconstitutional.[19]

In 2012, in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius,[20] Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the Court, held that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act(commonly referred to as the ACA or Obamacare) improperly coerced the States to expand Medicaid. He classified the ACA's language as coercive because it effectively forced States to join the federal program by conditioning the continued provision of Medicaid funds on States agreeing to materially alter Medicaid eligibility to include all individuals who fell below 133% of the poverty line.

Commerce clause[edit]
In modern times, the Commerce Clause has become one of the most frequently-used sources of Congress's power, and thus its interpretation is very important in determining the allowable scope of federal government.[21]

In the 20th century, complex economic challenges arising from the Great Depression triggered a reevaluation in both Congress and the Supreme Court of the use of Commerce Clause powers to maintain a strong national economy.[22]

In Wickard v. Filburn (1942),[23] in the context of World War II, the Court ruled that federal regulations of wheat production could constitutionally be applied to wheat grown for "home consumption" on a farm – that is, wheat grown to be fed to farm animals or otherwise consumed on the farm. The rationale was that a farmer's growing "his own wheat" can have a substantial cumulative effect on interstate commerce, because if all farmers were to exceed their production quotas, a significant amount of wheat would either not be sold on the market or would be bought from other producers. Hence, in the aggregate, if farmers were allowed to consume their own wheat, it would affect the interstate market in wheat.

In Garcia v. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority (1985),[24] the Court changed the analytic framework to be applied in Tenth Amendment cases. Prior to the Garcia decision, the determination of whether there was state immunity from federal regulation turned on whether the state activity was "traditional" for or "integral" to the state government. The Court noted that this analysis was "unsound in principle and unworkable in practice", and rejected it without providing a replacement. The Court's holding declined to set any formula to provide guidance in future cases. Instead, it simply held "...we need go no further than to state that we perceive nothing in the overtime and minimum-wage requirements of the FLSA ... that is destructive of state sovereignty or violative of any constitutional provision." It left to future courts how best to determine when a particular federal regulation may be "destructive of state sovereignty or violative of any constitutional provision."

In United States v. Lopez,[25] a federal law mandating a "gun-free zone" on and around public school campuses was struck down because, the Supreme Court ruled, there was no clause in the Constitution authorizing it. This was the first modern Supreme Court opinion to limit the government's power under the Commerce Clause. The opinion did not mention the Tenth Amendment, and the Court's 1985 Garcia opinion remains the controlling authority on that subject.

Most recently, the Commerce Clause was cited in the 2005 decision Gonzales v. Raich.[26] In this case, a California woman sued the Drug Enforcement Administration after her medical cannabis crop was seized and destroyed by federal agents. Medical cannabis was explicitly made legal under California state law by Proposition 215; however, cannabis is prohibited at the federal level by the Controlled Substances Act. Even though the woman grew cannabis strictly for her own consumption and never sold any, the Supreme Court stated that growing one's own cannabis affects the interstate market of cannabis. The theory was that the cannabis could enter the stream of interstate commerce, even if it clearly wasn't grown for that purpose and that was unlikely ever to happen (the same reasoning as in the Wickard v. Filburn decision). It therefore ruled that this practice may be regulated by the federal government under the authority of the Commerce Clause.

Federal funding[edit]
The federal system limits the ability of the federal government to use state governments as an instrument of the national government, as held in Printz v. United States.[19] However, where Congress or the Executive has the power to implement programs, or otherwise regulate, there are, arguably, certain incentives in the national government encouraging States to become the instruments of such national policy, rather than to implement the program directly. One incentive is that state implementation of national programs places implementation in the hands of local officials who are closer to local circumstances. Another incentive is that implementation of federal programs at the state level would in principle limit the growth of the national bureaucracy.[citation needed]

For this reason, Congress often seeks to exercise its powers by offering or encouraging States to implement national programs consistent with national minimum standards; a system known as cooperative federalism. One example of the exercise of this device was to condition allocation of federal funding where certain state laws do not conform to federal guidelines. For example, federal educational funds may not be accepted without implementation of special education programs in compliance with IDEA. Similarly, the nationwide state 55 mph (90 km/h) speed limit, .08 legal blood alcohol limit, and the nationwide state 21-year drinking age[18] were imposed through this method; the states would lose highway funding if they refused to pass such laws (though the national speed limit has since been repealed).
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And don't forget Jerry the one you really hate to admit that proves the Gov can own land......

"The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States....
ARTICLE IV, SECTION 3, CLAUSE 2
 
Ha, but the states don't belong to the Federal government, the federal government belongs to the "states and the people" very important distinction here sine that concept gives you the 2A, and all your other individual rights, a state is not a territory or territory it is a state.

Federal Land Retention and the Constitution’s Property Clause: The Original Understanding, 76 U. Colo. L. Rev. 327 (2005). In a nutshell, my findings were:

* Under the Property Clause (Art. IV, Sec. 3, Cl. 2), land titled to the federal government and held outside state boundaries is “Territory.” Federal land held within state boundaries is “other Property.”

* If the host state agrees, the federal government can acquire an “enclave” within the state under the Enclave Clause (I-8-17). This grants governmental jurisdiction to the federal government, but the federal government has to acquire title separately. Washington, D.C. (the most important enclave), for example, is under federal jurisdiction, but much of the land is held by other parties, including individuals.

* The Property Clause gives Congress unconditional power to dispose of property and authority to regulate what is already held. It does not mention a power to acquire.

* Under the Treaty Clause (II-2-2; see also Article VI), the federal government may acquire land outside state boundaries. As long as the area is governed as a territory, the federal government may retain any land it deems best.

* As for acreage (“other Property”) within state boundaries: Under the Necessary and Proper Clause, the federal government may acquire and retain land necessary for carrying out its enumerated powers. This includes parcels for military bases, post offices, buildings to house federal employees undertaking enumerated functions, and the like. It is not necessary to form federal enclaves for these purposes.

* But within state boundaries the Constitution grants no authority to retain acreage for unenumerated purposes, such as land for grazing, mineral development, agriculture, forests, or parks.

* Once a state is created and is thereby no longer a territory, the federal government has a duty to dispose of tracts not used for enumerated purposes.

* In the process of disposal, the federal government must follow the rules of public trust. It would be a breach of fiduciary duty for the feds to simply grant all of its surplus property to state governments. Each tract must be disposed of in accordance with the best interest of the American people. For example, natural wonders and environmentally sensitive areas (such as those now encompassed by the national parks) might be conveyed under strict conditions to state park authorities or (as in Britain) to perpetual environmental trusts. Land useful only for grazing, mining, or agriculture should be sold or homesteaded, with or without restrictions. The restrictions might include environmental protections, public easements, and protection for hunters and anglers.

Most states were admitted to the union pursuant to treaties, agreements of cession, and/or laws passed by Congress. These are called organic laws. They include, but are not limited to, enabling acts and acts of admission. These laws cannot change the Constitution, but they have some interesting ramifications for federal land ownership. That is a topic for another posting.
 
one note above, the commerce clause has been abused by the fed government, and is the main reason we need to invoke article five and dismantle the federal government's unconstitutional power and reign them into their intended purpose, protect the borders, protect commerce on the high seas and that is it. Roberts will be the final Chief Justice to perpetuate this federal theft of power not delegated to them. I hope I live long enough t see this happen.
 
Nevadas State Constitution says the Fed can own property in their state. The state says so. So, shouldn't the the state fix their shit first? Also numerous Supreme Court cases saying the Fed can own land.
 
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings

Ah! The formation of the DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. Prior to the Louisianna purchase, War with Mexico , etc , etc. Establishing a National Capitol.
 
What the Constitution says overrides what the court, any court. says, (remember, the court said slavery was okay). If Nevada agrees to cede land to the Fed government that is up to Nevada. I have no problem with that, neither does the Constitution as long as its used for enumerated responsibilities, which are few and defined, , I do have a problem with Presidents declaring large swaths of land under federal control., IF Maryland and Va want the land in DC back I have no problem with that, that is why DC will never have statehood.

Just remember and never forget the Fed Govs enumerated powers are few and very well defined. The monster we allowed to metastasize in DC is an affront to our Constitution, an Abomination, and an existential threat to our freedom.
 
found this

Kleppe v. New Mexico (1976), reflects a further evolution in judicial understanding, as it in effect embraces the full-blown police-power theory. At issue was the constitutionality of the Wild, Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act, which prohibits capturing, killing, or harassing wild horses and burros that range on public lands. Writing for the Court, Justice Thurgood Marshall specifically rejected the contention that the Property Clause includes only "(1) the power to dispose of and make incidental rules regarding the use of federal property; and (2) the power to protect federal property." He concluded that "Congress exercises the powers both of a proprietor and of a legislature over the public domain." Thus, without regard to whether wild animals are the property of the United States, or whether the act could be justified as a form of protection of the public lands, Congress was held to have sufficient power under the Property Clause to adopt regulatory legislation protecting wild animals that enter upon federal lands.
 
The court also later ruled that we couldn't have certain personal property in the form of slaves. The SCOTUS changed its mind. Until the SCOTUS rules different on the property clause it stands or until there is a Constitutional Convention. Not likely.
 
Read above with regard to the court and the Constitution. "Evolution of the courts understanding", what a fuking term for the court ignoring the Constitution.

This is why Article 5 needs to be invoked, there is no other peaceful means of reigning in this monster.
 
Agreed. Article 5 must be invoked. Too late, monster too big too powerful. Ctizens too stupid to know why they are losing. Its over. Move out of urban shitholes move to a red state learn to grow a garden, buy some goats a horse and go Galt.
 
Your Google Fu is most excellent, as is your ability to cut and paste an immensely bloviating post.

Well played, Sir.

However, since you have chosen to answer the question with the words of others, I conclude that you probably don't have much of your own to contribute here, and intend mainly to serve as a disappointingly impertinent irritant.

Consequently, I ignore you.

Greg
 
I am new here and only wanted to add that it’s nice to see passion for our country. I grew up in the sticks where we stood up and pledged allegiance to the flag at the beginning of the school day. I still get goose bumps when they play/sing the national anthem. Pationate discourse is how this whole rodeo got started and don’t look now but that pationate guy that your trading barbs with may be the guy standing next to you to fix it. I love my country and for those of you who served you have my heart felt thanks.