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Older guy needs help

73MCRD

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Feb 23, 2003
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Howdy brothers!
I a m a 59 year old that use to be a fitness buff and haven't done anythig in a year and a half. I noticed probably with age, my muscles, especially my arms have gotten very thin. I am back on a healthy diet, using a very good protein supplement and working out three times a week. I have had two different health food stores recommend that I get on a testesterone base supplement. I was told to take it for 30 days then quit for 30 days. Does anyone especially in my age group used this to build up muscle? Also, I heard it was a good "Woody" enahncer that takes the place of Viagra, which is now $42.00 per pill...Damm, have to pay to have sex? Anyway, I would appreciate any advice ot directions to go.

Semper Fi!
 
Testosterone can be dangerous...has side effects..sometimes U just get old (am older than U :) )
Make sure if U do the hormone route your PSA is normal...that U don't have prostate carcinoma..well stimulated with testosterone...
Decline of the hormone does prevent you from building muscle mass as U age even if U exercise.
 
They are just trying to sell you something, just do your work outs. Read up on the symptoms of low T, beware of side effects associated with Testosterone therapy. I'm 57 and I work out almost everyday and just try and eat healthy.

If you do decide to go the T route make sure you get the proper blood work done before you go to GNC and buy supplements, I have read that most supplements for low T do not work, save your money. Good luck.
 
I am as young as you are at age 59. Best thing you can do to maintain bone and muscle mass is to have a good strength/ resistance training regimen and a well balanced diet. I have worked out all my life and go to the gym three to four time during the week and log 75 to 100 miles each weekend on my bike. As you get older it is harder to maintain muscle mass and you can loose it pretty quickly unless you stay at it. I stay away from supplements because frankly I don't think they work and you are introducing lots of chemicals into your body that in most cases aren't natural. As far as T therapy I wouldn't go near it. Lots of side affects and not enough info on the long term effects. There is no substitute for gym time and just need to put the time in. If you have worked out previously muscle memory will come into play and you can get back to form pretty quickly. Best of luck.
 
Im definitely not your age group....but my dad is...well actually he is a bit older (62). But he retired at 55 and has been going to the gym 5 days a week since then. Just from talking to him i can mentioned some things that worked for him.

Get a personal trainer. Not a generic one who is covering 5 other people at the same time. But one who can actually watch your whole work out and make corrections. Dad started all 5 days for 3 weeks then dropped it to 3 days a week for 3 weeks and finished with just once a week (varying days on the once a week so the trainer sees different workouts). Was a bit more expensive but my dad loved the personal attention and constant corrections to the work outs in the start. Also was key to get a trainer who was friendly and understanding. Guy my dad had built a work out plan with my dad there that met my dads desires. not a generic one but rather one to help his beat up, blue collar all his life body. My dads knees and shoulder have been bad for years but the work out the trainer got him on have helped a lot and reduced the pain and discomfort.

No need for fancy pills or crap. Protein shakes are all my dad added to the workout (at trainers recommendation) and mostly due to the fact my dad is a picky eater and wasnt getting enough protein in the trainers mind. A real doctor is the one who told my dad what other vitamins and stuff to be taking. Not GMC or whoever. It seems like its us "youngings" who are the ones wanting to add more crap into our bodies when it all has pros and cons associated with them. Better to just do what a regular doctor says than the 23 year old guy at GMC.

And lastly...keep at it. Dad still goes 5 times a week whenever he can. Taking a week off the next week he bitches about how he is back to being slightly sore and had to drop the weights lol. He had to take a month off and it was amazing when he went back just how fast he had lost muscle and was back to where he was 1-2 years ago


Hope that helps
 
Testosterone is a prescription medication. Taking it simply as a sports supplement would be illegal.

Regarding prescribing TRT, all doctors fall into one of three categories. Some doctors acknowledge that adequate testosterone is one key to male "vitality," shall we say, and are willing to prescribe it if your endocrine blood panels show your total Test is "low-ish," according to AMA standards, provided you present with any of the typical accompanying complaints: low energy, low self-esteem, unexpectedly gaining weight, low sex drive, no lead in the pencil, etc (the more, the merrier).

The second group of doctors will prescribe TRT provided you're below the AMA threshold for "low-normal" in your age group, even if you are asymptomatic. In fact there is a medical precedent for this because Low T itself is associated with depression, diabetes, heart disease, osteoporosis and a bunch of other bad shit.

And the third group view TRT like it was nuclear waste, and won't put you on TRT, even if your blood panels show you're below the "low-normal" threshold, unless you have a connected medical condition. No lead in the pencil doesn't count because the little blue pill fixes that but has lower risk for side effect (and hence lower risk of malpractice suits).

Ideally you need to find a doctor in the first category. Some folks will recoil at the thought of "auditioning" multiple doctors because of the possibility of being connected with "doctor-shopping," which also is illegal. But doctor-shopping involves getting multiple doctors to prescribe treatment for the same condition. That's not what this is. It its your right as a medical consumer to seek out a doctor who you feel comfortable with, and who you think takes a comprehensive view of managing your health care. That's all you'd be doing.

The world is full of people who've only ever heard the myths and old wives tales about TRT, and anabolic steroids in general. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess your two nutrition store guys fall into that category. If you want the straight skinny, I'd suggest you take the time to read the FAQ stickies at the steroid.com forum. That might well be the best repository of steroid doping knowledge available anywhere (free) on the Interwebs. The stickies are long, and very technical (lots of real 'doctor' words), and certain aspects of it are complicated, but they're very comprehensive and completely stripped of the mythology.

Yes, pharmaceutical testosterone is an anabolic steroid. In fact, it's the original anabolic steroid. All the rest are imitations of testosterone. And pharmaceutical testosterone is chemically and molecularly identical to mother nature's. The only way to tell the difference is by measuring carbon isotope ratios with a gas chromatograph or an atomic mass spectrometer. Your body cannot tell them apart. It's no more dangerous than the stuff your body produces, however, your body does take measures to see to it that natural Test levels can only rise so high. When you surpass those levels with synthetic Test, you've sailed off the edge of the map.

TRT does tend to cause benign prostate enlargement (BPH), which can be a nuisance in older men. It also can cause the same shit it did when you were 14: zits and an erection every time the wind blows. In large enough doses, it will shut down natural testosterone production, which could lead to testicular atrophy.

If you're going to do this, I would recommend you ask your endocrinologist about supplementing the Test with hCG (human chorionic gonadotropin). Your body is wired to only let you have just so much Test. So if you're juiced, the HPG feedback loop will signal your 'nads to back off or stop producing the natural stuff. hCG supplementation interferes with normal function of the HPG loop, and allows the testes to continue producing at their normal rate. Which maintains normal (or at least more nearly normal) testicular function, despite the 'roids. And reduces or eliminates the need to 'cycle' on and off. It just plain makes the 'roids more effective.

And any Category A doctor also should be read on to the hCG and shouldn't have a problem with prescribing it as well (but those guys are not particularly common).
 
Guys, hate to say it, you sound completely normal.

What the fuck can you do, we are getting older.

Don't smoke, don't drink too much, eat quality food in moderation, exercise often.

A very wise fellow told me years ago "Getting old is hell, but consider the alternative".


I see too many people literally wasting their youth, or, even worse, really treating their bodies like they have another one when they abuse/destroy the 1st one.

I guess my point is to make every day count.
 
No subsititue for healthy diet and exercize.

Exactly! Eat right (without all the nonsense that is marketed..processed food..overeating....tough to do in our society), do a daily routine of exercises at home (I do various types of pushups, core strength, light weights, and leg work....easy to design your own routine), bike rides, heavy yard work, hiking, etc, etc. It should become a lifestyle, not a fad. In a month I will be 57 and am stronger than I ever was, though obviously I put on some weight, but still within 6 or 7% of my optimum weight.
 
Health food stores telling you to get on a testosterone supplement are fucking idiots who don't have a clue. They are just trying to open your wallet. Testosterone based supplements dont work. If it did, you wouldn't be buying it at your local health food store. But would need a dr. Script. Some good advice above. Eat healthy, live healthy. At your age strength may not be a primary focus. But a good strength routine will help you get stronger or maintain strength while preserving muscle mass. Flexibility and mobility through your joints is more important at your age.
 
Turned 60 last week, was laid off in June and have time on my hands until I find another job. Have been taking grandson to tae kwon do since Feb. Yesterday I signed up for 8 weeks and started. I started tae kwon do in 1968, did four years. Went to Goju Shorin for 4 years and bounced around dojos for another 15 or so years.

Today I can't feel anything below my waist LOLLOL. Aleve is now martial arts M&M's. But dang I had fun getting back in it. The brain remembered every technique but the body said WTF are you doing. As usual I didn't pace myself which I will start doing tomorrow. I'm in the 'adult class' and most of the folks are between 40 and 60. Most were black belts but oddly none remember the 'old style' tae kwon do that I learned back then. The walking stance was not in my memory banks and I still do not see the use in it, alas I may find benefit later on. So, I started out as a white belt....again for the umteenth time with a new school. I may never get my kicks head high again (having trouble with waist high now) due to hip and knee injuries but I'm only in it for excercise, self defense polishing and working off displacement anger LOLLOL. Do not give a hoot about belt rank since I learned a long time ago that street fighters and thugs are color blind anyway.

As Fred said above, do your homework on T. It can truly screw you up. Back in the 60's and 70's when roids were very popular lifters were dropping like flies, nads shrink up, temper goes to extremes, couldn't metabalize protein. There was also some un-pure juice in the market. Eventually a pro body builder I had worked with ended up in the ICU looking like he came out of a concentration camp and dang near died. If you have low T learn to live with it unless it is so low that an endro doc says you need it to live. That's my ex-athlete 2 cents worth. Get some pecker pills and carry on................................
 
I used to be a body builder until I tore a pectoral muscle a few years ago. Then I started having issues waking jr up! I went back through all of the supplements I was taking and then it hit me L-Arginine. If you take 5 grams of this a day it will help you with getting it up, making it harder and a little longer. You can buy it any where and it's just an amino acid.

Amino Acid L-Arginine, Nitric Oxide, and Erectile Dysfunction