The copy/paste spanglish operator posts strikeeagle1 always has.
Thanks for calling that out.
That was kind of my point. If you already have a shotgun for self defense and you want a shotgun to do "everything else", you should only really look at over/under shotguns. They have huge advantages for target shooting and the only disadvantage when hunting is a one less shell loaded at a time (which, as you mentioned, isn't an issue when you practice with an O/U).
Not something I'm saying is absolutely factual, just a pattern I've noticed.
Yeah, but it's pretty right on... ?
SxS Perazzis's never come at a premium compared to their O/U's but still pretty nice. I got offered a SxS in the mid-eighties for $350.00 ...dammit, dammit, dammit, gotdammit....I didn't buy it.
THAT kicks like a mule.
Kel-Tec
37's are great guns!
Christmas of '77 my dad gave my brothers and I new model 37's. After shooting them, he bought a used one for himself. I have his now. I killed a few deer and a bunch of squirrels with mine. Now it's my trap gun.
The loads that most semi-autos have trouble with are the 24g or 7/8oz target loads that most people shooting trap and skeet will use (besides ATA trap and their fat 1 1/8oz loads). Some semi-autos will shoot them, others won't, even among the same model of semi-auto shotgun. My Beretta A300 can handle 7/8oz and 24g target loads without issues, but I know of 2 other people with A300's that can't do anything less than 1oz loads. I've only shot one Versamax and that one required at least 3 dram 1oz loads to cycle, even just 2.75 dram 1oz loads wouldn't.
They were so bad and ineffective... that the Feds banned them and made them Class III.... You always do that to things that down't work at all! ;-)
A guy who beats most semi-auto shooters in IPSC competition, using a pump, just posted his latest pump build:21” M2 is hard to beat for a GP shotgun!
The one I posted is from an IPSC World Champion in Finland, Northern Europe. He got it done by a local gunsmith. You need a competent gunsmith for that. And you need good judgement to ensure you have enough material for rethreading.
Is it a bad thing that I can remember being issued one of these to stand watch on the TOC? (circa 1989)
JMO, it's not that you are old, but that sometimes, the gun myths have reached unbelievable heights. Yeah, MP's had shotguns when I was in (circa 1981-85), but I always ask, "How effective could they be?" They hold seven rounds vs. thirty (M16) and they have a reach of less than 100 yds. vs 300-500 of the M16. As far as a devastating hit, the M16 was every bit as nasty as a shotgun. While at close range one hit from the shotgun tore up a wider area (like seven -ten M16 hits) within 25m, you could still get thirty hits from a M16 at that range. Either would incapacitate a perp if they tried to get what you were guarding. And, you had a lot of rounds left over.
Rayyeti,
That's a nice looking shotgun with a badass looking brake. I've got a brake like that on one of my AR's and I've found it's pretty good at tearing up guncases. After a year or so of owning it (and getting frustrated at my torn up cases) I realized it ain't gonna do serious damage either. Mine has about 1/2" spikes and that's the extent it will go into a person. You'd have to be pretty lucky and catch an eyeball just right to do any serious damage. If you poked it straight into a guy, it's only gonna piss him off. In which case, you better be wearing your badass suit, or that rifle is going to end up in your own ass.
But, I love the thought of a spikey, scary muzzle brake. It does tend to intimidate those that haven't actually considered what they can't do.
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Klr,
Mossberg 500's have been doing everything a shotgun can do and they keep doing it. And, they are "cheap".
Good shootin' to ya!So would you recommend the M1? I’ve got an opportunity on one that has barely ever been used. I’ve never been big on shotguns, but I’ve been wanting to start turkey hunting so would you say this would be a good option?
Between my dad, my brother, and myself, we've had excellent results from them.
The break isn’t for poking people although you could. It’s a breacher brake so when shotgunning doors you don’t get a pressure spike and blow up your gunRayyeti,
That's a nice looking shotgun with a badass looking brake. I've got a brake like that on one of my AR's and I've found it's pretty good at tearing up guncases. After a year or so of owning it (and getting frustrated at my torn up cases) I realized it ain't gonna do serious damage either. Mine has about 1/2" spikes and that's the extent it will go into a person. You'd have to be pretty lucky and catch an eyeball just right to do any serious damage. If you poked it straight into a guy, it's only gonna piss him off. In which case, you better be wearing your badass suit, or that rifle is going to end up in your own ass.
But, I love the thought of a spikey, scary muzzle brake. It does tend to intimidate those that haven't actually considered what they can't do.
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Klr,
Mossberg 500's have been doing everything a shotgun can do and they keep doing it. And, they are "cheap".
Nice guns super fast
