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POLL: If we got into a shooting conflict with China...

Would the CCP optics fangirlx still shill for the CCP if it were a shooting war instead of cold war?

  • Yes- the CCP fangirlx would still SHILL for CCP shooting products

  • No- the CCP fangirlx would keep their mouths shut about CCP shooting products


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You might be fine with spending $800 on some overpriced supposedly "USA made" RDS for your Glock where most of what you are paying is for the name brand and the price is kept high so that they don't have to discount government purchases.

But the bulk of shooters want something reasonably reliable and useful for the best price they can get.

Bitch and whine and try to shame folks all you want, but all you are doing is pissing folks off. Unless the "USA manufacturers" actually get their heads out of their rear ends and make innovative designs that they can sell for competitive prices, foreign made optics will dominate the lower end of the spectrum.

You might as well go scream at all the folks coming out of Walmart that they are destroying american jobs and funding China with every purchase.

I would also bet that if you stripped apart the "USA made RDS" stuff you might find a lot less of the component parts in it are actually made in the USA than you might expect.

You’ve gone full retard quoting full MSRP like all the other dumb fucks who try to justify buying chinesium.

RMR’s are $450. STFU.
 
If you really wanna get bent outta shape just look around any .gov
This is at a VAMC after just looking at a few things in a call room/office for less than 5 minutes. Optics are the least of our worries and certainly not worth fighting with each other and like minded people (for the most part) over.

Cisco phone, HP hard drive, Dell monitors and keyboard, nitrile gloves, hand sanitizer, surgical masks, remote control. All CHYNA.
LG TV “assembled in Mexico” with some Chinese and Korean parts.
Billions of dollars invested in these globally.

HP Elite laptop, Taiwan
Energizer batteries, Singapore

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The CCP fangirlz, much like the dem party, are much more accepting of all of the CCP's decades of evil actions, millions of murders, genocide, predatory trade practices, theft of intellectual property, counterfeiting. Sociopathic personalities think alike.
 
Lots of things "made in the USA" are assembled here in the US with Chinese made machines, using components and materials made in China.

You are correct. What most don't know is that almost always there is a choice to not buy chinese machinery and chinese-made components. That choice costs a little more up front but it almost always pays off in the long run. Like when you want to add a new program to your chinese machine to wind a different stator but the chinks won't give you the access password to the PLC after you bought it.
 
The CCP fangirlz, much like the dem party, are much more accepting of all of the CCP's decades of evil actions, millions of murders, genocide, predatory trade practices, theft of intellectual property, counterfeiting. Sociopathic personalities think alike.

I wouldn't go off on such a big moralistic high horse there trying to claim you have some great moral superiority over others because of an optic you use.

The Republican Party have been just as happy to line their pockets as big business destroyed American manufacturing to make a bit of extra money for the mega rich.

You know that "well private corporations can do anything they want," line of B.S. that so many on here seem to swallow without question and regurgitate...

Sure, throw a temper tantrum and start calling people names because somebody who is in the poors category decides a chinese made optic fits their budget and their going to the range and having fun on nice pleasant days use case.

Meanwhile the Chinese Communist Party has vast influence over our politicians, corporations, educational agencies, foreign policies and vital goods and services for our society. Perhaps you could contact your local politician and suggest the USA recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign country and opens a full embassy there?

You want to start acting righteous, well you are going to have to pretty much stop paying taxes, stop watching professional sports, stop watching any popular entertainment, go through all your purchasing with a very fine tooth comb and find that most of what you want to buy you now can't. Oh and those high end European fashion brands, check how many have been bought out by Chinese corporations and while "made in xxx" country are actually made by imported Chinese workers (the dirty little secret of the Italian fashion industry for example).
And that "USA made" stuff, well better check if the raw or base materials came from China or Chinese controlled companies, and there go your batteries...

But sure, if you only convince folks to not buy a holosun optic then OMG the forces of good win and the Chinese menace is stopped...
 
Like when you want to add a new program to your chinese machine to wind a different stator but the chinks won't give you the access password to the PLC after you bought it.

Would that be like a certain American tractor company that won't let your tractor work without their tech coming to put in a code that says the maintenance is done and tough luck if your harvest gets rained out while waiting for a tech to have time to visit?

Or would that perhaps be like a certain American portable communication device provider that says thanks for "buying" a product from us, but no you can't upload any programs to run on it unless we get a cut and decide we like it.
 
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Would that be like a certain American tractor company that won't let your tractor work without their tech coming to put in a code that says the maintenance is done and tough luck if your harvest gets rained out while waiting for a tech to have time to visit?

Or would that perhaps be like a certain American portable communication device provider that says thanks for "buying" a product from us, but no you can't upload any programs to run on it unless we get a cut and decide we like it.

I wouldn't know since I'm not a farmer
 
Personally I'm not a fan of funding the CCP.....nothing good will ever come out of giving the CCP more $$$

WRT optics.....buy once, cry once.....I look at it this way, I'm going to use that optic for 10 plus years.....so what is the cost of that optic annually over its useful life?
 
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They'll still do it and as all communists do, they'll just change the name and make the marketing/paper trail to it even more convoluted.

I don't avoid China shooting shit because its China shit; I don't have to. I avoid it because its all absolute fucking garbage.

The question I've always has was, do they honestly think what they're manufacturing is in fact some high end thing made with their best available tech and effort, or are they sitting around going LOL look at the shit those Americans are buying.
That last part you mentioned. I think it's a little of both. They crank out junk by the boatload then sit back and laugh while raking in the money Americans spend on their junk.

One reason I avoid the chicom gun related stuff is the chicoms don't do any r&d on the crap they make we do it for them. Then they take what they learned at our expense and apply it to their own military hardware.

My efforts to avoid those products though are surely in vain. Biden saw to that when he abandoned $80billion worth of our tech in the middle east. Chicoms seem to be headed into that country pretty steady and I'm sure they got some of our goodies to study.
 
Just wondering, where will the shooting conflict take place?
Mike Adam's says California.

Hour and a half long, I doubt many here will listen to it all the way through.

To sum it up they got a hold of a transcript and a recording of some supposed Chinese officials talking about a mainland USA invasion through the ports in Cali via cargo ships.

Normally I like to listen to Mike but he can get a little out there at times. He has been right more often than not though. I guess we'll find out come November.

 
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Mike Adam's says California.

Hour and a half long, I doubt many here will listen to it all the way through.

To sum it up they got a hold of a transcript and a recording of some supposed Chinese officials talking about a mainland USA invasion through the ports in Cali via cargo ships.

Normally I like to listen to Mike but he can get a little out there at times. He has been right more often than not though. I guess we'll find out come November.


If they ever do, it will be because our traitorous politicians invited them in.
There is no way the Chinese would even consider it as having any chance of success without our politicians being in on it.

A more likely scenario would be our politicians orchestrating a collapse of the economy and helping social unrest get out of hand, then "Inviting" the Chinese to come in as "UN Peacekeepers".

Seeing the Californians come face to face with the communists they so adore would be a bit of poetic justice.

The problem I can see is that our military in that situation would be protecting the Chinese so to kill all the Chinese, first you have to get rid of our politicians and a bunch of others before you can even get to the Chinese invaders.
 
I’m pretty sure Boston acoustics and Sennheiser are all manufactured in China these days. Those Japanese and German made cars use a lot of Chinese sourced parts. Germany Is one of the worst offenders when it comes to claiming things are German products but mostly produced in China
I am not advised to video my shit for you guy. Tools: Stahlwille, Knipex, Metabo (old), Teng, USAG. Reloading gear: Forster, Wilson, and locally machined customs. Projectiles and primers all made in USA, powder Aussie.
Firearm components are USA, Japan, Sweden, Norway, UK, Austria, Germany and local custom machined parts.

Let’s continue: phone and TV Korea, toaster microwave kettle fridge etc Japanese, Malay etc. Knifes forks etc European, Japanese or local (Aus). Why stop there? ALL my clothing is US, UK, Aus, NZ or Cambodian, Viet or Indian. (Let’s not include the high speed Euro made snow shit, I’m not in anymore…)

HiFi: Turbosound (UK) Boston Accoustics (USA) Quest (Aus), German cable, Japanese other components. Headphones, Sennheiser (German) Couch, bed, cupboards and furniture made in Australia. I’m very confident none of the thousands of vynil records were cut in China….

Shall we go to the bathroom? Various stinkum and lotions, French, Italian, EEC, local. Toothbrush and hairbrush India, clippers and scissors from Germany. Bunghole roll and cotton buds, toothpaste and first aid supplies locally made.

Cars? German and Japanese. Apparently we can’t make cars here in Aus anymore.…. I did have a moment of doubt when I saw the old Applied Ballistics hat sitting in the corner, but on closer inspection it’s made in Cambodia. Its my wheelbarrow to push, and it ain’t that heavy. Reading a tag or country of origin sticker, is apparently beyond most of the western population of the world. Or just no fucks given.

Beijing has already bought most of the third world, and put a significant down payment on the first. Quoting Gil Scott from decades ago……..
Edit- also I remember the time that Japan attack Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on the World. I don’t remember any time in the history that China has declared war on the United States or NATO allies...
 
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I wouldn't go off on such a big moralistic high horse there trying to claim you have some great moral superiority over others because of an optic you use.

The Republican Party have been just as happy to line their pockets as big business destroyed American manufacturing to make a bit of extra money for the mega rich.

You know that "well private corporations can do anything they want," line of B.S. that so many on here seem to swallow without question and regurgitate...

Sure, throw a temper tantrum and start calling people names because somebody who is in the poors category decides a chinese made optic fits their budget and their going to the range and having fun on nice pleasant days use case.

Meanwhile the Chinese Communist Party has vast influence over our politicians, corporations, educational agencies, foreign policies and vital goods and services for our society. Perhaps you could contact your local politician and suggest the USA recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign country and opens a full embassy there?

You want to start acting righteous, well you are going to have to pretty much stop paying taxes, stop watching professional sports, stop watching any popular entertainment, go through all your purchasing with a very fine tooth comb and find that most of what you want to buy you now can't. Oh and those high end European fashion brands, check how many have been bought out by Chinese corporations and while "made in xxx" country are actually made by imported Chinese workers (the dirty little secret of the Italian fashion industry for example).
And that "USA made" stuff, well better check if the raw or base materials came from China or Chinese controlled companies, and there go your batteries...

But sure, if you only convince folks to not buy a holosun optic then OMG the forces of good win and the Chinese menace is stopped...
Exactly.

And all the big baller “I’ll always pay more for USA” then put your money where your mouth is. Start paying for all your medical care out of pocket. Newsflash, your insurance company takes your premiums and invests them. This is how they make money. Guess what the invest in…CHYNA and chinesium. This is why banging the high horse drum doesn’t hold water.
Again, we all hate China the CCP and the like. Yes we should make an effort to buy local, American or at least not communist. That being said, there’s so much that’s practically unavoidable it’s embarrassing to watch people at holier than though and truly are believing their own bs. Ignorance is rampant.
 
Edit- also I remember the time that Japan attack Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on the World. I don’t remember any time in the history that China has declared war on the United States or NATO allies...

You might be forgetting this thing called the Korean War.

Just for a start...
 
All the dems and RINOs are half queer- at a minimum.
 
Mike Adam's says California.

Hour and a half long, I doubt many here will listen to it all the way through.

To sum it up they got a hold of a transcript and a recording of some supposed Chinese officials talking about a mainland USA invasion through the ports in Cali via cargo ships.

Normally I like to listen to Mike but he can get a little out there at times. He has been right more often than not though. I guess we'll find out come November.

A good step for that would be setting it up so they could have enough cargo ships floating around out there to conceal a large invasion force with equipment. So also exactly what cali is doing.
 
Using conex containers as a trojan horse.
Mike Adam's says California.

Hour and a half long, I doubt many here will listen to it all the way through.

To sum it up they got a hold of a transcript and a recording of some supposed Chinese officials talking about a mainland USA invasion through the ports in Cali via cargo ships.

Normally I like to listen to Mike but he can get a little out there at times. He has been right more often than not though. I guess we'll find out come November.

That would be funny
 
I think the idea they will send a classic invasion force is far fetched. They are literally getting us to pay them to take us over right now. We send them money, they buy politicians and influence with it.
 
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Eh - a war with China would fix almost everything wrong with the world all at once.
In the event of a shooting war with China, it'd be a perfect time to deport or neutralize the cancer in our republic- all dems/RINOs/leftists/socialists/fascists/commies. Sorry for the redundant labels.
 
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If they ever do, it will be because our traitorous politicians invited them in.
There is no way the Chinese would even consider it as having any chance of success without our politicians being in on it.

A more likely scenario would be our politicians orchestrating a collapse of the economy and helping social unrest get out of hand, then "Inviting" the Chinese to come in as "UN Peacekeepers".

Seeing the Californians come face to face with the communists they so adore would be a bit of poetic justice.

The problem I can see is that our military in that situation would be protecting the Chinese so to kill all the Chinese, first you have to get rid of our politicians and a bunch of others before you can even get to the Chinese invaders.
Neither of the scenarios you layed out would be all that hard to imagine. Mike Adam's touches loosely on that idea as well. We know several key people in politics have some pretty close ties with the Chinese.

I know for a fact the Chinese have a heavy presence in Mexico. Several Mexicans I work with have shared that with me.
 
What would an EMP do to optics?
1) red dots
2) illuminated reticles
Would they quit working? Would ACOGs hold up?
 
I think a shooting war with china is about as likely as Biden becoming a good president. They can't get here, and we don't have the international support to go there. So we're just going to yell insults across the pond and build political capital to be used to pass power grabbing agendas. We need China just as much as China needs us. It's bad for both to go to war. I'd be less surprised if the China/America cold war is just what we're being told what's happening, all while Pres Poopypants and General Tso Chicken are buddies using a game of "words with friends" to dictate who gets to do what next.

Branden
 
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What would an EMP do to optics?
1) red dots
2) illuminated reticles
Would they quit working? Would ACOGs hold up?
Depends on the strength of the EMP. In general, yes, an EMP can effect anything that runs on electricity.
 
I’m pretty sure Boston acoustics and Sennheiser are all manufactured in China these days. Those Japanese and German made cars use a lot of Chinese sourced parts. Germany Is one of the worst offenders when it comes to claiming things are German products but mostly produced in China

Edit- also I remember the time that Japan attack Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on the World. I don’t remember any time in the history that China has declared war on the United States or NATO allies...
Nope, most of my stuff isn’t new, it’s old. New stuff yes possibly as you say. Same with cars. Ze Chermans started using Romanian and other eastern block made switchgear and electric components, (Bosch and VDO) set up factories there) which is unreliable compared to the locally made stuff. Probably made for a third of the cost due to high wages in Germany. I know because it’s stamped on the indicator assembly I just swapped out for the second time in my German car.

Tibet, Spratleys, Africa, etc, probably Taiwan next. War has many faces and shapes…
 
Again, fick China, the CCP, and CCP funded and controlled companies like Hol0sun, Swamfox, and Oligh+.
 
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If you think CCP shilling is bad here, spend any time on CGN, a big Canadian shooting forum. They love their CCP products, including Norincos (a direct CCP company), while hating the CCP. They are a confused bunch...
 
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All you guys running vortex anything should be sending back your vortex in protest of this. The same company you pay for and shill at every event dominates the cheap “made in China” industry with rifle scopes. Because even the Philippines made vortex prices scare them off. Same goes for Athlon and Burris users. What’s Leupold up to these days? Seeing lots of MK5’s running around lately. Think there’s a few Chinese optics with their name stamped on the side of those

I love how Leupold comes out with a competitive scope finally, and still gets shit on.

They don't make glass and have said over and over they can't source from the US because nobody can handle their demand. So they source lots of Japanese glass, and some German.
But no matter how many times they repeat that they build every single metal part in-house, people assume they're tossing Chinese parts in because the glass drops them below the "made in USA" threshold.

That said, they need to leave Oregon, and build a plant about 10x larger, so they have the space to build all US made. Their problem is they're stuck where they're at, and won't invest in the next step. Which is glass, coatings, and bringing the rest of the line besides the rifle scopes in house again.


Funny thing with vortex is their AMG line is awesome in theory, but I've never seen one. Can't ever find one in stock, haven't seen a single one in person. But lots of Chinese made scopes funded the expense to go into glass making. I just wish they could get more AMG out the door.
 
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The only thing I care about if. There is a shooting war with Chicoms is that there are no draft exemptions whatsoever.

Not for the kids of senators. Not for university weenies. Not for 20-something social media influencers and tech company millennials. Even you broads who want to be equal… you can serve sammiches at the front and drive trucks.

You want this thing lefties… your kids gonna be cannon fodder. Hope you prepared your non-binary furry… because 12 weeks or so of basic ain’t going to overcome a life of physical weakness and mental issues.

I will mourn for the sons and daughters of patriots. For the rest… hope your blind support of socialists, pedophiles and neocons was worth the life of your kids.

Pardon my harsh rhetoric here… but tired of seeing the best, brightest and most patriotic being consumed while the very people who hate America for the freedom and success it has allowed them… scream “war war” knowing they will buy their kids out of it.

No more Fortunate sons.

Sirhr
 
The only thing I care about if. There is a shooting war with Chicoms is that there are no draft exemptions whatsoever.

Not for the kids of senators. Not for university weenies. Not for 20-something social media influencers and tech company millennials. Even you broads who want to be equal… you can serve sammiches at the front and drive trucks.

You want this thing lefties… your kids gonna be cannon fodder. Hope you prepared your non-binary furry… because 12 weeks or so of basic ain’t going to overcome a life of physical weakness and mental issues.

I will mourn for the sons and daughters of patriots. For the rest… hope your blind support of socialists, pedophiles and neocons was worth the life of your kids.

Pardon my harsh rhetoric here… but tired of seeing the best, brightest and most patriotic being consumed while the very people who hate America for the freedom and success it has allowed them… scream “war war” knowing they will buy their kids out of it.

No more Fortunate sons.

Sirhr
Those of us with any sense will make our own draft exemption or die in the process. My enemy would be the men who think they get to decide for my sons and those that try and force the will of evil men upon us.
 
The only thing I care about if. There is a shooting war with Chicoms is that there are no draft exemptions whatsoever.

Not for the kids of senators. Not for university weenies. Not for 20-something social media influencers and tech company millennials. Even you broads who want to be equal… you can serve sammiches at the front and drive trucks.

You want this thing lefties… your kids gonna be cannon fodder. Hope you prepared your non-binary furry… because 12 weeks or so of basic ain’t going to overcome a life of physical weakness and mental issues.

I will mourn for the sons and daughters of patriots. For the rest… hope your blind support of socialists, pedophiles and neocons was worth the life of your kids.

Pardon my harsh rhetoric here… but tired of seeing the best, brightest and most patriotic being consumed while the very people who hate America for the freedom and success it has allowed them… scream “war war” knowing they will buy their kids out of it.

No more Fortunate sons.

Sirhr
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Heres something to consider. Just read an article that says we're giving so much to Ukraine, especially missiles of all sorts, that if a shooting war broke out we would be out of ammo in a week, and a year or so from being able to completely replenish the supply.

By design?

TRick them into giving away all their stuff then attack while they have a weak confused leader.
 
Shooting war with the chinese? Well, I am too old to enlist. I just had a birthday and now I am only 10 years from my max retirement. So, yeah, body is breaking down. I have to have daily meds for hypertension and high cholesterol. I am, however, a redneck in a small town with a number of rifles, a shottie, and 9. And some ammo. And a predilection to practice with those things and hang out in a forum where people get pissed if they go wider than 3/8 MOA on a group.

And a chinese soldier trying to invade the backwoods is likely to not have success.

As well as all the young'ns joining up, if they can stop worrying about pronouns for a moment and learn how to be soldiers. And if the Marines could restart the scout sniper program so that we are not total losers.

Granted, the Rangers have snipers but there are only so many of those. And even Marine Raiders might have DMs but the more force multipliers we have, the better.
 
The only thing I care about if. There is a shooting war with Chicoms is that there are no draft exemptions whatsoever.

Not for the kids of senators. Not for university weenies. Not for 20-something social media influencers and tech company millennials. Even you broads who want to be equal… you can serve sammiches at the front and drive trucks.

You want this thing lefties… your kids gonna be cannon fodder. Hope you prepared your non-binary furry… because 12 weeks or so of basic ain’t going to overcome a life of physical weakness and mental issues.

I will mourn for the sons and daughters of patriots. For the rest… hope your blind support of socialists, pedophiles and neocons was worth the life of your kids.

Pardon my harsh rhetoric here… but tired of seeing the best, brightest and most patriotic being consumed while the very people who hate America for the freedom and success it has allowed them… scream “war war” knowing they will buy their kids out of it.

No more Fortunate sons.

Sirhr

Sorry but if someone wants to do the draft, that's where I draw the line and start being willing to kill those that carry out orders and enable tyrants.
I know it won't be popular and all the "good folks" will be thinking I'm horrible for not bowing down to government slavery and licking the boots of the Military Industrial Complex and offering blood sacrifices to their Moloch but that's the way it is.

Sure I may die for it, but if enough decent folks kill the thugs coming to enslave others to be sacrificed to the Global Elite's lust for power, money and control, eventually the uniformed thugs will start wondering if it's worth their lives to enslave their fellow humans.
 
I love how Leupold comes out with a competitive scope finally, and still gets shit on.

They don't make glass and have said over and over they can't source from the US because nobody can handle their demand. So they source lots of Japanese glass, and some German.
But no matter how many times they repeat that they build every single metal part in-house, people assume they're tossing Chinese parts in because the glass drops them below the "made in USA" threshold.

That said, they need to leave Oregon, and build a plant about 10x larger, so they have the space to build all US made. Their problem is they're stuck where they're at, and won't invest in the next step. Which is glass, coatings, and bringing the rest of the line besides the rifle scopes in house again.


Funny thing with vortex is their AMG line is awesome in theory, but I've never seen one. Can't ever find one in stock, haven't seen a single one in person. But lots of Chinese made scopes funded the expense to go into glass making. I just wish they could get more AMG out the door.
It’s because Chinese have near zero labor costs. American companies that have blue hair cat lady HR management that requires retarded amounts of useless shit to hire Americans because of ESG rules mandating the hiring of blue haired cat ladies and quotas to hire section 8 shaneeqwas that drive productivity to negative numbers. This is why “made in America” is near dead. I’ll let you argue who to blame amongst yourselves
 
Sorry but if someone wants to do the draft, that's where I draw the line and start being willing to kill those that carry out orders and enable tyrants.
I know it won't be popular and all the "good folks" will be thinking I'm horrible for not bowing down to government slavery and licking the boots of the Military Industrial Complex and offering blood sacrifices to their Moloch but that's the way it is.

Sure I may die for it, but if enough decent folks kill the thugs coming to enslave others to be sacrificed to the Global Elite's lust for power, money and control, eventually the uniformed thugs will start wondering if it's worth their lives to enslave their fellow humans.
Still at the tree. Been over 5 days now. Still nobody.,😂 guess I’ll be taking on China alone. Damn you assholes!
 
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The only thing I care about if. There is a shooting war with Chicoms is that there are no draft exemptions whatsoever.

Not for the kids of senators. Not for university weenies. Not for 20-something social media influencers and tech company millennials. Even you broads who want to be equal… you can serve sammiches at the front and drive trucks.

You want this thing lefties… your kids gonna be cannon fodder. Hope you prepared your non-binary furry… because 12 weeks or so of basic ain’t going to overcome a life of physical weakness and mental issues.

I will mourn for the sons and daughters of patriots. For the rest… hope your blind support of socialists, pedophiles and neocons was worth the life of your kids.

Pardon my harsh rhetoric here… but tired of seeing the best, brightest and most patriotic being consumed while the very people who hate America for the freedom and success it has allowed them… scream “war war” knowing they will buy their kids out of it.

No more Fortunate sons.

Sirhr
I'm not a fan of the draft, but I understand where you're coming from.

If China hits the beach over here, I doubt you'll have a hard time finding volunteers.
 
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I'm not a fan of the draft, but I understand where you're coming from.

If China hits the beach over here, I doubt you'll have a hard time finding volunteers.
I still don’t see a classic invasion happening ever. They already own the US and Canadian leadership and control the economy as well as anyone else, and better than most. What will bring down the Chinese plans for North American domination is a Billion+ angry Chinese at home.
 
I still don’t see a classic invasion happening ever. They already own the US and Canadian leadership and control the economy as well as anyone else, and better than most. What will bring down the Chinese plans for North American domination is a Billion+ angry Chinese at home.
Agreed. The Chinese are excellent at playing the long game. Can't wait to see how they fare with the afghans.