Poll Shows Support For Gun Ban at U of Virginia

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The ignorant citizens in Virginia just can't seem to comprehend, after so many innocent lives have been lost.

Banning guns from college campuses will only keep <span style="font-style: italic">LAW ABIDING PEOPLE</span> from carrying a gun on campus...which will ultimately VICTIMIZE those people when someone goes wayward of the law and begins shooting. Why is this so hard to understand?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A poll of more than 1,000 registered voters found Virginians divided on whether uranium mining should be allowed in the state, while an overwhelming majority supports a ban of guns on college campuses.

On the issue of gun rights, a small majority — 50-45 percent — said protecting gun rights is more important than controlling gun ownership, but they opposed by a nearly 2-1 ratio ending the state's limit of one handgun purchase per month.

On the issue of guns on college campuses, 75-20 percent said they should not be allowed.

The issue is particularly relevant because of the mass shooting at Virginia Tech in 2007, in which 32 people were killed by a lone gunman who then killed himself. The polling was also conducted in the aftermath of a Dec. 8 incident on the Blacksburg campus in which a Virginia Tech police officer was killed before the gunman turned the weapon on himself.

The Virginia Tech campus has become a battleground for gun-rights and gun-control advocates. They disagree whether a student or professor who was armed during the 2007 killings could have reduced the number of deaths.

In a recent opinion, Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli has said that to ban legal concealed carry weapons on a campus, a university's board must pass a regulation specifically stating that. A policy is not sufficient, he said.

The Quinnipiac poll found that 49 percent of Virginians polled say someone in their household owns a gun. The view on banning guns on campus, however, is shared across party lines, education levels and other demographics.

Even those with carry permits should not be allowed to bring their weapon on campus, voters said 65-32 percent.</div></div>

Source - NewsPlex
 
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Seems as though that institution of learning, isn't...

They tried to do this on my campus (trying to ban CCW), it got dropped before we could even take it to court (I signed onto the lawsuit) but had it gone to court the recourse supported by the state is that the school would have to guarantee a CCW permit carrier's safety in every single building via security screening every single person allowed into any building where a CCW carrier would be, obviously a logistical nightmare. My school caved when another college in the state lost the same case to its students.
 
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As a Virginian, and a graduate of the University, Im disappointed to say the least. I hope we dont learn a hard lesson. Unfortunately, a hard lesson, would only galvanize the liberals, and turn more gun rights supporters against.
 
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Ah that poll is only of 1000 people. Last time I checked VA has a population just north of 1k but just barely. It is most likely one sided, taken from 1k people from the most left wing district in VA, or from a bunch of youngster know it all types (you get the idea). Anyway think about this, Just a few weeks ago there was a member who posted in order for us to vote in a poll on whether there should be more restrictions at gun ranges somewhere in Canada. So to do the neighborly thing I pitched in and threw a vote their way, as did I am sure many other members. Long story short the "leave our ranges alone" side kicked the living shit out of the "anti-gun" side, which was skewed because a bunch of Yankees voted in a poll that really doesn't concearn them. It's like having Californians vote for the governor of Texas. That being the case it's possible that some of the voters aren't even citizens of VA depending on how the poll was taken.

 
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So your suggesting the possibility of an inkling of a notion that it may be likely that polls may be conducted by people with motives other than that of gaining a unbiased result?

Huh...

This changes everything!

But MSNBC plays it straight right?

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Happy Festivus!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The ignorant citizens in Virginia just can't seem to </div></div>

I beg your pardon Sir, if that's a very broad brush you are painting with??

It isn't too hard to find 1000 such ignorant soles down east where things are a little more blue, but here, it's quite a bit tougher. Different worlds, these days.

And I'm mere miles from Va Tech.............
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The ignorant citizens in Virginia just can't seem to </div></div>

I beg your pardon Sir, if that's a very broad brush you are painting with??

It isn't too hard to find 1000 such ingnorant soles down east where things are a little more blue, but here, it's quite a bit tougher. Different worlds, these days.

And I'm mere miles from Va Tech.............</div></div>


Well, if you're not ignorant then the comment wasn't directed toward you, now was it? Ya know, some people just <span style="font-style: italic">look</span> for something to take offense to.

The point I was making, and I STILL make, is that after all of the violence that results from crazed lunatics killing innocent civilians...there are still those who think the answer is more gun control i.e. prohibiting concealed carry on campus.
 
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Logically it's a feel good law.

Logically it makes no sense since the bad guy(s) that did all the shooting there were already breaking the law by committing murder, so why worry about a gun charge?

Therefore it logically only makes sense that someone should be armed.

Unfortunately, as Ted Nugent put it towards Columbine, the sheeple will cower behind desks instead of getting up and beating the perpetrator to a pulp.
 
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Polls are so easy to manipulate that they are completely worthless. One poll in Washington/Seattle about guns did at the same time a poll on opinion on communism and socialism. The anti-gun crowd was about 80%. The people who favored socialism was 90% and the people who thought communism would be beneficial was 30% range. These numbers are so out of line that is not even questionable that the place they make the poll is specifically targeted a certain type of group and location.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hunbramericano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Polls are so easy to manipulate that they are completely worthless.</div></div>

This.

Besides that, these institutions of "learning" are so chock full of mindless liberal zombies, there's not really any way they'd allow their flock to believe otherwise. I find it simply astounding that parents still spend godawful amounts of money to send their kids to these places.
 
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"Gun control advocates argue that a federal assault weapons ban is necessary to curbing gun violence." -Gun Control Advocates, -un named-

The above statement is based on ignorance of raw data fact. It may be based on severely skewed data which would invalidate the claim on it's merit

FACT:
During Bill Clinton's term of office(HE PASSED THE ORIGINAL BAN) there were over 30 such mayhem incidents like Newtown CT.

2010 year Firearm murders data, US only

FACT:
Handguns account for 6009 of the firearm murders

FACT:
Rifles of all kinds accounted for 358 of all firearm murders

FACT:
Shotguns accounted for 373 of firearm murders

FACT:
Unknown firearms accounted for 2035 murders

FACT:
Other weapons to include knives, swords, edged weapons, 1704 murders

FACT:
Other weapons not edged account for 1772 murders

FACT:
Hands, Fists, Feet account for 745 murders

With the above raw data, there is no basis to ban any rifle of any type. This raw data is from crime numbers only, not skewed by lawful defense of self or others(these would be edge outlier numbers such as the Fists, other weapons, rifles, and shotguns.

Using this data, and data that is extremely close to it from both 2011 and 2012, there is still no basis of merit to ban any type of rifle or shotgun, magazine, or other firearm type that could be counted as an 'assault weapon'( These require a Title III tax stamp and background check to purchase due to the fact they fire either full automatic, or burst). Any other rifle or shotgun only fires semiautomatic and is therefore by the actual raw data, not worthy of any ban.

Now lets look at these raw date in perspective by total population percentage. 312.8 million with we will use the large 6000 handgun number to set a higher average here, that is close to .01 percent per 1000 people, or less than one person per 100,000.

Total Perspective of numbers:
More people are killed by Doctor's mistakes during surgery, drunk drivers, negligence at work, or vehicular negligence(I use negligence because nothing is accidental. Some form of negligence always contributes). I have tried very hard to find raw data that would support any form of gun control and have failed each and every time due to the monumentally low percentages per population. The real numbers just do not support any form of firearms legislation. Do yourself a favor and actually try to research this as I have. The results will be the same each time the raw data is used that does not come from skewed sources. This is the way I test all my own theories as well as my friends by playing the Devil's advocate and looking for extremely straight data that has not been biased.

BOTTOM LINE:
There is no basis for gun control over what we currently have. The facts do not support it, the incidents do not support it.

OPINION:
The issue we are having is a severe lack of control on behavior issues and security of our schools. The larger being insecure schools. If all schools were upgraded with points of entry that were controlled, Armed officers in place(911 from Sandy Creek stated Law Enforcement took minutes to get to the scene, not seconds which is required). By removing our schools, theaters, ball fields, and other places from the perspective target list, we take the advantage away from the mentally disturbed individual who wants to attack it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know about VA, but in AL no one ever checks for CCW on a college campus.</div></div>

I doubt any campus actually checks (though Bloomberg's hot for some "stop and frisk" action, maybe it'll catch on in campuses), but the majority of them are already <span style="text-decoration: line-through">kill zones</span>gun free zones, and you'd get some hellacious charges tacked on should anything else happen to you while you're carrying.