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Popular vote vs Electoral collage

Popular vote is mob rule. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is a reason we are a democratic republic. Part of it is that even the founders realized how stupid most people are.

It would be basically something like 3-4 states deciding what everyone does.

Fuck. All. That.
 
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There is no mention in the COTUS on how states should divide their electors.

Its left up to each state individually.

The only real change is that they no longer choose VP.

The genius of the system is that it forces the potential POTUS to pay attention to all states not just those with big cities.

If Hillary (ironically a NY State elector) gets her way you might as well eliminate the small population states and just consider them production slaves to have their resources raped in order to provide for the cities.


Well lets be good little proletariats.
 
From this " LashUp" I started, I know most think alike, except for Maser.

Where did we go wrong? Didn't change his diaper?

He has been around here longer than I can remember.

Take an Oath and live with that, "All enemies, Foreign- or Domestic."

Do some reading.

Goes for Everybody. Be an educated voter!! AND, Go VOTE.
 
one of things I don't understand is why is this not on fox news
Are you still watching Fox? The only conservatives left at Fox are Carlson, and Hannity the rest are dancing to the DNC Lied Piper's tune. If you want news go to One America News Network, OANN.
 
Man I’ll tell y’all what..
YALL AINT GONE FCKN BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF BLACKS I TALKED TO TODAY WHILE CANVASSING(in GA) THAT ARE ALL ABOARD THE TRUMP TRAIN!!!! 65% easily!!!!!
And this is Gwinnett County Lower to mid to upper middle class!!! Like across the fckn board! Blacks in my local area seem to be going for Trump by quite a much higher percentage than ever before. Latinos also..

It’s looking good, no GREAT(!), at least here in middle to downtown Lawrenceville.

IMO seeing Lil Wayne and them workin w/ Trump is helping the cause IMMENSELY!
 
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I love how the only people who like the Electoral College is when it works out in their favor. When it doesn't they piss and moan how bad it is. Anyways, it's no secret how I feel about it. It's an archaic system that should go away already. Our Constitution is a nice document and all, but it's not perfect. Hence why it's been amended so many times to keep up with the times. My biggest problem with the Electoral College and the main reason why I won't ever vote unless it goes away is it guarantees our votes do NOT count. And don't give me this bullshit about if it goes away then big cities will control the country. Anyone who's visited big cities knows that people who live in big cities are some of the most apathetic people when it comes to voting. So if anything, it will be the red flyover states that control the country due to how much folks who live in those states value their voting rights. And as far as foreign and domestic meddling in our elections goes, that has always happened and will continue to happen.

So yeah, for me I say ditch the Electoral College and replace it with Popular Vote. If not, then stop lying to young voters telling them their votes count when they really don't. How's that for a compromise?
Not only No, but H@ll No! California and New York aren't the boss of us all. Their votes would be all that matter under mobocracy popular vote, the rest of us would not even have to vote because it wouldn't matter anyway. Plenty of sh*th^#e countries where mobocracy rules; people who founded the republic, and people who came to America knew they didn't want aristocracy, or mobocracy. Those who want mobocracy should do the honest thing and pack their crud and move where their kind of government is practiced. Only one U.S., however plenty of mobocracies for them to choose from. Time to get happy.
 
I love how the only people who like the Electoral College is when it works out in their favor. When it doesn't they piss and moan how bad it is. Anyways, it's no secret how I feel about it. It's an archaic system that should go away already. Our Constitution is a nice document and all, but it's not perfect. Hence why it's been amended so many times to keep up with the times. My biggest problem with the Electoral College and the main reason why I won't ever vote unless it goes away is it guarantees our votes do NOT count. And don't give me this bullshit about if it goes away then big cities will control the country. Anyone who's visited big cities knows that people who live in big cities are some of the most apathetic people when it comes to voting. So if anything, it will be the red flyover states that control the country due to how much folks who live in those states value their voting rights. And as far as foreign and domestic meddling in our elections goes, that has always happened and will continue to happen.

So yeah, for me I say ditch the Electoral College and replace it with Popular Vote. If not, then stop lying to young voters telling them their votes count when they really don't. How's that for a compromise?
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Are you still watching Fox? The only conservatives left at Fox are Carlson, and Hannity the rest are dancing to the DNC Lied Piper's tune. If you want news go to One America News Network, OANN.
It sounded like Carlson may have been hedging his bet on his show Thurs. in case of a Biden win. He was pontificating about how Hunter Biden was a flawed man with problems but he knew Hunter Biden personally and he thought he was a good man otherwise and he wasn't going to pile on a man with drug problems on his show. *commercial

Yeah, whatever.
 
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The electoral college is also more secure from outside interference and fraud. Fifty different election systems would be a tough nut to crack.
 
Many many years ago I too thought the popular vote was the way to go until the EC was explained to me, then I knew I was a fool and our Founding Fathers were right.

It was right about the time that I realized that my Father RIP was a whole lot smarter that what I gave him credit for.

It does amaze me that so few people know how the EC works and there are no ads explaining it on TV. The dumbing down of America.
 
They never figured on California and all of its libtards. They are all moving to AZ, ID,MT etc.. and fucking up our beautiful RED states. With CA. the popular vote went to Clinton last election. If only CA, OR and Washington would drop into the sea.
Just clear out about half a dozen cities in California, Washington and Oregon and we would be solid red.
I actually live in the only republican congressional district on the west coast here in SW Washington.
There’s a pro Trump/pro 2nd amendment rally here on Sunday, just a short drive from leftist cesspool of Portland Oregon.
 
Many many years ago I too thought the popular vote was the way to go until the EC was explained to me, then I knew I was a fool and our Founding Fathers were right.

It was right about the time that I realized that my Father RIP was a whole lot smarter that what I gave him credit for.

It does amaze me that so few people know how the EC works and there are no ads explaining it on TV. The dumbing down of America.
What do you expect when civics and American history is no longer taught in school and history has been replaced by revisionism 101 in the form of "The story of us" , "The story of stuff", i.e. Washington and Jefferson bad, Mohammed good, Common Core, LGBTQ studies, and Social Justice Warfare for Beginners, as well as Intermediate Socialism Slide into Communism. Cleaning out the Deep State must begin with education. Re-examining security clearances, and those who issued them to the likes of Brennan, Strzok, and Comey must be the next step.
 
It sounded like Carlson may have been hedging his bet on his show Thurs. in case of a Biden win. He was pontificating about how Hunter Biden was a flawed man with problems but he knew Hunter Biden personally and he thought he was a good man otherwise and he wasn't going to pile on a man with drug problems on his show. *commercial

Yeah, whatever.

I have 3 kids. And I love them dearly. They are all different. None the same. And they were all raised by me doing 20+ with Uncle Sugar.

They all are liberal to some extent (all in their 20's), some more than others. I, if truth be told, was similar as a very young man.

The difference is I left as a teen to join the Army. Got my ass handed to me and learned a great deal. And the more I worked with young men from every background you can imagine... the more I learned. These were, and are, great men.

The book is never finished, until it is.

Joe's kid could go on to save the world for all I know. Right now... fuck that moron.

Joe's involvement in all this? Same as the Clinton's. Same as... (insert a fuckin' Presidential name).

We all face adversity I think. It is what we do in those events that define us.

But Joe has played all his cards and is just another useful idiot. IMO. Hunter? Who the fuck cares really?

Just ranting as this year has me crabby.
 
I have 3 kids. And I love them dearly. They are all different. None the same. And they were all raised by me doing 20+ with Uncle Sugar.

They all are liberal to some extent (all in their 20's), some more than others. I, if truth be told, was similar as a very young man.

The difference is I left as a teen to join the Army. Got my ass handed to me and learned a great deal. And the more I worked with young men from every background you can imagine... the more I learned. These were, and are, great men.

The book is never finished, until it is.

Joe's kid could go on to save the world for all I know. Right now... fuck that moron.

Joe's involvement in all this? Same as the Clinton's. Same as... (insert a fuckin' Presidential name).

We all face adversity I think. It is what we do in those events that define us.

But Joe has played all his cards and is just another useful idiot. IMO. Hunter? Who the fuck cares really?

Just ranting as this year has me crabby.
Whatcha' drinkin?

Hunter Biden could go on to save the world, if he's not too old after he serves prison time for child molestation, rape, treason, collusion with a foreign enemy and being a fucking POS any normal person wouldn't want their sister associating with.
 
Whatcha' drinkin?

Hunter Biden could go on to save the world, if he's not too old after he serves prison time for child molestation, rape, treason, collusion with a foreign enemy and being a fucking POS any normal person wouldn't want their sister associating with.

Well.. yes. There is that. :LOL:

Mine ain't quite that bad. But was trying to make a point... on Makers.

Cheers.
 
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Intelligent educated people are harder to enslave, commie plan from day 1 make the general population ignorant.
Sadly the liberal school system in the US doesn't teach the genius of anything our founding fathers did anymore :(

Issue is the left has more or less successfully hi-jacked “intelligent educated” by giving title that to anyone who has attended one of their brain washing camps known as college or university.
They push the idea that EVERYONE needs college or else you are not smart and could never be successful.

Once heard my ex-GF’saunt say to a lady, “well, we are an educated people”.
Like she is somehow a genius over all other people because she went to college and grad school.
Lady was working at a nice vacation resort in Bastrop TX and that was an amazing insult to her, a lady who works her butt off for a living. Lady was amazing and super smart so I gave her a $50 tip to try to make up for the retardation of a lib.

I know a lot of people who have little to no college and are darn smart.
My dad retired at 60. No education.
Everything payed for, zero debt (even cars).
Companies call him still asking for his advice on products their engineers are having trouble with.

Lots and lots of smart people who dont have 100k plus of education loans and piss poor job prospects.
 
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Agreed, I don't have a college degree and I consider myself a pretty successful guy (not going to wag my dick on the internet, so will leave it at that)

Not all degrees mean you are smart :) and not having a degree does not mean you are stupid. my wife has a cousin that never made it past the 8th grade. He has a thick Alabama accent and most people just think he is a dumb hick. If you take some time to get to know him, he isn't dumb or stupid or lacking intelligence, he just hated school and had interests in other places in life.

Its just a path you choose in life. I will say this though, if you don't understand how fucking brilliant and genius the design of this country was, you are stupid. Its just unfortunate we are allowing it to be ruined. :(
 
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Issue is the left has more or less successfully hi-jacked “intelligent educated” by giving title that to anyone who has attended one of their brain washing camps known as college or university.
They push the idea that EVERYONE needs college or else you are not smart and could never be successful.

Once heard my ex-GF’saunt say to a lady, “well, we are an educated people”.
Like she is somehow a genius over all other people because she went to college and grad school.
Lady was working at a nice vacation resort in Bastrop TX and that was an amazing insult to her, a lady who works her butt off for a living. Lady was amazing and super smart so I gave her a $50 tip to try to make up for the retardation of a lib.

I know a lot of people who have little to no college and are darn smart.
My dad retired at 60. No education.
Everything payed for, zero debt (even cars).
Companies call him still asking for his advice on products their engineers are having trouble with.

Lots and lots of smart people who dont have 100k plus of education loans and piss poor job prospects.

At this point in my life I’ve come to understand that college isn’t all it’s cracked up to be and is a useless waste of money for many people. In high school my teachers beat into our heads that only people who go to college can make a living wage and they actually made fun of the kids who went to tech school. In reality many of those kids are making decent money while those college kids are floundering in debt.

It took going through college to realize this and I did so when I was standing with my class of 9,000 college graduates and realized that there were 4,500 undeclared liberal arts majors compared to my class of 270 engineers. These were people who spent $80,000+ to go to high school for 4 more years thinking that they would leave and hop right into a $80k a year job. Instead reality fucked them right in the ass so they have to move into shitty apartments in the city since it’s the only place they can afford to live and still make their student debt payments.

But the most fucked up part about it is how it happened, Liberal primary school teachers push kids into liberal colleges where they spend $80k+ to get indoctrinated by liberal propaganda for 4 years. They get trapped in these loans because the Democratic politicians took over the student loans and gave colleges a blank check to raise pricing year after year knowing they have a steady stream of indoctrinated youths to fill the ranks.

However once they get out and realize their schooling can only get them a $30k/yr job they feel trapped and look to someone to help them. That someone comes in the form of the Democrats offering to wipe their debt away if they get them elected completely ignoring the fact that those mother fuckers are the reason they are in that position in the first place.
 
At this point in my life I’ve come to understand that college isn’t all it’s cracked up to be and is a useless waste of money for many people. In high school my teachers beat into our heads that only people who go to college can make a living wage and they actually made fun of the kids who went to tech school. In reality many of those kids are making decent money while those college kids are floundering in debt.

It took going through college to realize this and I did so when I was standing with my class of 9,000 college graduates and realized that there were 4,500 undeclared liberal arts majors compared to my class of 270 engineers. These were people who spent $80,000+ to go to high school for 4 more years thinking that they would leave and hop right into a $80k a year job. Instead reality fucked them right in the ass so they have to move into shitty apartments in the city since it’s the only place they can afford to live and still make their student debt payments.

But the most fucked up part about it is how it happened, Liberal primary school teachers push kids into liberal colleges where they spend $80k+ to get indoctrinated by liberal propaganda for 4 years. They get trapped in these loans because the Democratic politicians took over the student loans and gave colleges a blank check to raise pricing year after year knowing they have a steady stream of indoctrinated youths to fill the ranks.

However once they get out and realize their schooling can only get them a $30k/yr job they feel trapped and look to someone to help them. That someone comes in the form of the Democrats offering to wipe their debt away if they get them elected completely ignoring the fact that those mother fuckers are the reason they are in that position in the first place.
Confirmation basis.
Would they admit they spent large sums and were fooled?

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At this point in my life I’ve come to understand that college isn’t all it’s cracked up to be and is a useless waste of money for many people. In high school my teachers beat into our heads that only people who go to college can make a living wage and they actually made fun of the kids who went to tech school. In reality many of those kids are making decent money while those college kids are floundering in debt.

It took going through college to realize this and I did so when I was standing with my class of 9,000 college graduates and realized that there were 4,500 undeclared liberal arts majors compared to my class of 270 engineers. These were people who spent $80,000+ to go to high school for 4 more years thinking that they would leave and hop right into a $80k a year job. Instead reality fucked them right in the ass so they have to move into shitty apartments in the city since it’s the only place they can afford to live and still make their student debt payments.

But the most fucked up part about it is how it happened, Liberal primary school teachers push kids into liberal colleges where they spend $80k+ to get indoctrinated by liberal propaganda for 4 years. They get trapped in these loans because the Democratic politicians took over the student loans and gave colleges a blank check to raise pricing year after year knowing they have a steady stream of indoctrinated youths to fill the ranks.

However once they get out and realize their schooling can only get them a $30k/yr job they feel trapped and look to someone to help them. That someone comes in the form of the Democrats offering to wipe their debt away if they get them elected completely ignoring the fact that those mother fuckers are the reason they are in that position in the first place.
Correct assessment of their indoctrination and debt enslavement scheme! The only thing to add would be that today even those studying engineering and sciences will not receive their "pretty" goatskins unless they learn to willingly yodel in harmony with their choir of left wing intellectual eunuchs first. Higher education is dead, it has become the zombie of higher indoctrination and propaganda; it is rotten, and it stinks.
 
i too think the EC is the way to go and every step should be taken to protect it


but think of it from a different direction, it might backfire on dems if they get their way

we all agree that the few big states/cities would rule the US more or less, its just pure math

but you/we are thinking of all dems and repubs being same just because they vote the same

im registered conservative in NY ..my vote never counts

if you are a independent-dem in the midwest it wouldnt be long for the ruling class dems in NY to start making dem policy which is not in your best interest

those "midwest" dems might/would start voting the other direction changing the numbers

possibly with a popular vote it would bring back a multi class govt not just the current 2 ruling parties
 
Correct assessment of their indoctrination and debt enslavement scheme! The only thing to add would be that today even those studying engineering and sciences will not receive their "pretty" goatskins unless they learn to willingly yodel in harmony with their choir of left wing intellectual eunuchs first. Higher education is dead, it has become the zombie of higher indoctrination and propaganda; it is rotten, and it stinks.

I graduated from engineering school in 2014 and my brother graduated in 2019, so our experiences cover almost a decade. Generally speaking the engineering classes themselves were apolitical, this is partially due to the fact that many teachers were not citizens and partially due to the fact that half the students weren’t citizens so discussing American politics is pointless when it doesn’t affect half of them anyway.

However for the gen ed classes we were forced to take to be “well rounded students”, 90% of them were straight up liberal bullshit. I had a class where the old ass teacher spouted off liberal talking points for 15 weeks and didn’t even bother giving us a final or any real work at all. Gave me an extra 50 minutes a day to do my engineering homework. Another one was supposed to be about history but instead boiled down to “how white people ruined this country”. I would give more examples but I spent more time doing my engineering work in those classes that I honestly completely forget the majority of them.

My brother on the other hand during his schooling spent 4 days in the hospital with pneumonia. After he got out he went on Friday to get caught up even though his note from the hospital said he wasn’t to go back to class until Monday. All his engineering teachers were glad to see him back on his feet and happy to accommodate getting him caught up. One of them was nice enough to let student affairs know so that all of his teachers would be notified of his hospitalization and make accommodations for him to make up his work.

The black lady that ran his race and diversity class though? That bitch refused to acknowledge the three emails sent from both him and the school to inform her that he was in the hospital and when he showed up to class early to talk to her she demanded to see his hospital discharge papers before she would consider letting him make up the missed work. This was immediately after telling the black girl ahead of him that she could take all the time she needed to finish the assignment after she missed class due to a doctors appointment with no proof at all. Needless to say my brother was pissed.

When my brother went to lodge a complaint with student affairs the girl behind the counter about had a stroke when my brother told her that until she realized he didn’t actually give he them since he didn’t have them on him. But in the end nothing was done and my brother continued to lose points in class for stupid shit whenever she felt like it because she was annoyed he reported her. Add in another class where the loud mouth multihaired bitch in the front seat screamed at anyone that had an opinion that wasn’t “ultra liberal” with a professor never corrected her and my brother was pretty much done with that school several months before he graduated.
 
At this point in my life I’ve come to understand that college isn’t all it’s cracked up to be and is a useless waste of money for many people. In high school my teachers beat into our heads that only people who go to college can make a living wage and they actually made fun of the kids who went to tech school. In reality many of those kids are making decent money while those college kids are floundering in debt.

It took going through college to realize this and I did so when I was standing with my class of 9,000 college graduates and realized that there were 4,500 undeclared liberal arts majors compared to my class of 270 engineers. These were people who spent $80,000+ to go to high school for 4 more years thinking that they would leave and hop right into a $80k a year job. Instead reality fucked them right in the ass so they have to move into shitty apartments in the city since it’s the only place they can afford to live and still make their student debt payments.

But the most fucked up part about it is how it happened, Liberal primary school teachers push kids into liberal colleges where they spend $80k+ to get indoctrinated by liberal propaganda for 4 years. They get trapped in these loans because the Democratic politicians took over the student loans and gave colleges a blank check to raise pricing year after year knowing they have a steady stream of indoctrinated youths to fill the ranks.

However once they get out and realize their schooling can only get them a $30k/yr job they feel trapped and look to someone to help them. That someone comes in the form of the Democrats offering to wipe their debt away if they get them elected completely ignoring the fact that those mother fuckers are the reason they are in that position in the first place.


Its a shame this realization you speak of.

True but a shame.

I went to trade school and have a high paying skill I could take on in a minute but I dont work in the trades.

I went to college after an enlistment in the mil.

I went to college in an uber liberal city yet I went before professors were fully vested in indoctrination.

I was a history major/minor in management.

No I am not an educator. I just like history and my motivation ensured high grades.

I was heavy on political philosophy in my electives. Post twenty years old I finally learned the different philosophies of the religions ( I realized though raised a Catholic I am mentally a Protestant), I learned about John Locke and Robert Malthus, Jeremy Bentham, what is a conservative vs a liberal, who did the FF draw from to refine their ideas. The history credits chosen were mil oriented and I became acquainted with totalitarianism - all good factual stuff but.........

The most important thing college provided was an understanding of how to research to get answers/facts for your position and how to write a paper to express and defend your ideas.

Your idea was not the most important thing it was could you express it and defend it.

Find that in any college today......
 
I graduated from engineering school in 2014 and my brother graduated in 2019, so our experiences cover almost a decade. Generally speaking the engineering classes themselves were apolitical, this is partially due to the fact that many teachers were not citizens and partially due to the fact that half the students weren’t citizens so discussing American politics is pointless when it doesn’t affect half of them anyway.

However for the gen ed classes we were forced to take to be “well rounded students”, 90% of them were straight up liberal bullshit. I had a class where the old ass teacher spouted off liberal talking points for 15 weeks and didn’t even bother giving us a final or any real work at all. Gave me an extra 50 minutes a day to do my engineering homework. Another one was supposed to be about history but instead boiled down to “how white people ruined this country”. I would give more examples but I spent more time doing my engineering work in those classes that I honestly completely forget the majority of them.

My brother on the other hand during his schooling spent 4 days in the hospital with pneumonia. After he got out he went on Friday to get caught up even though his note from the hospital said he wasn’t to go back to class until Monday. All his engineering teachers were glad to see him back on his feet and happy to accommodate getting him caught up. One of them was nice enough to let student affairs know so that all of his teachers would be notified of his hospitalization and make accommodations for him to make up his work.

The black lady that ran his race and diversity class though? That bitch refused to acknowledge the three emails sent from both him and the school to inform her that he was in the hospital and when he showed up to class early to talk to her she demanded to see his hospital discharge papers before she would consider letting him make up the missed work. This was immediately after telling the black girl ahead of him that she could take all the time she needed to finish the assignment after she missed class due to a doctors appointment with no proof at all. Needless to say my brother was pissed.

When my brother went to lodge a complaint with student affairs the girl behind the counter about had a stroke when my brother told her that until she realized he didn’t actually give he them since he didn’t have them on him. But in the end nothing was done and my brother continued to lose points in class for stupid shit whenever she felt like it because she was annoyed he reported her. Add in another class where the loud mouth multihaired bitch in the front seat screamed at anyone that had an opinion that wasn’t “ultra liberal” with a professor never corrected her and my brother was pretty much done with that school several months before he graduated.

Only overtly biased professor I had taught "History of the Vietnam War".

First day in class he regaled us with his fond memories protesting the war in Boston.

He always wore the same black jeans and frequently the same button flannel shirt.

Our first assignment was to read a paper from S. Vietnam historian/writer Hoang Van Chi with his thoughts on why the war was just and the south was right to resist the north.

I agreed with Chi and used examples such as the massacres at Hue, village assassinations and the reeducation after the fall to support Chi's opinions.

He gave me the worst paper grade up to that point ( a B) and told me I would have to pay more attention in class basically and incorporate his ideas to get better grades.

Looks like dude is still indoctrinating 25 years on.....

 
I went to college in the 1980s when Reagan was President before I entered the military, had a double major and there were some left over Vietnam War protester professor a@@holes who tried hard to wreck your grades, however I used to win those battles regularly because at that time quite a few of the upper admin and the dean were still from the older generation. Got to the point where they were just as afraid of me as most of us students were of them. Still had some good profs however that taught me that they could never teach me everything but that that wasn't the point of college, the point was to be able to find the info you need, be able to analyze, evaluate, recognize what's true and works, and to be successful in applying that knowledge.
When I went back after 9/11 to get another degree a lot had changed. It was strict regurgitation even in my sciences classes but the worst was that they decided I had to take a sociology class run by a masked communist hag. She tried hard to flunk me but got caught because she had written down some of her thoughts on how she was to grade me, and why on the back of my final, she ended up having to apologize in front of the dean, and I passed. As an alumni I've been watching the goings on at that college and I can honestly say they will never see one red cent from me to support their current indoctrination and re-education camp.
 
Only overtly biased professor I had taught "History of the Vietnam War".

First day in class he regaled us with his fond memories protesting the war in Boston.

He always wore the same black jeans and frequently the same button flannel shirt.

Our first assignment was to read a paper from S. Vietnam historian/writer Hoang Van Chi with his thoughts on why the war was just and the south was right to resist the north.

I agreed with Chi and used examples such as the massacres at Hue, village assassinations and the reeducation after the fall to support Chi's opinions.

He gave me the worst paper grade up to that point ( a B) and told me I would have to pay more attention in class basically and incorporate his ideas to get better grades.

Looks like dude is still indoctrinating 25 years on.....

I firmly regret having read his "note on participation".
 
The whole ballot proposition system needs to go