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I don't think it has shit to do with the government oversight, but everything to do with scientific studies. There's not been enough time.

Case in point: got a friend who's pregnant. She asked the doctor if she should get vaccinated. He said hell no, there's not enough data or studies available to say if it's safe for her or the unborn baby.

On the flip side, another pregnant girl wants to get the vaccine and the doctor is all "ok, why not?"

How does the vaccine interact with heart medication? What about diabetes? Is there a drop in fertility? Etc and so on
If you're on heart medication and or have diabetes or other maladies common with aging then you are, in Pelosi and the Democrat's mind, a drain on the system and should be eliminated, especially if you're on Medicare and SS, the things you paid into and financed all your working life.

So what if the 'vaccine' kills you. Your usefulness is over.
 
don't confuse antifa with the left in general, although it might be considered a tool of the left.
I'm not confused, believe me. Regardless, "Antifa" isn't a group, like the Proud Boys, or whoever... it's an idea that society's throwaways like to latch onto. You will literally never locate an "Antifa" leader. It's just kind of like the spirit that unites Marxists, Socialists, Progressives, and far-left anarchists. It's like the UN for illegitimate leftist ideology.

I had the great misfortune of living in an urban center, where this type of thinking was prevalent, and on open display. I cannot be persuaded from someone at a distance, that the far left is not anti-global. The "woke" movement is highly caught up in the idea of returning historically tribal, or otherwise conquered lands, to their "rightful" owners. This alone, puts the vast majority of them, at odds with globalism.

If we ever have another G20 summit in the US, I fully expect this to become self-evident.
 
Further, the pharmaceutical companies grossly profit off of the backs of the American healthcare system, and then turn it into political influence in other countries, by subsidizing their healthcare. They do this by selling their products at a fractions - or fractions of fractions - of what we, in the US would pay.
Wrong

Medicine prices are fixed and/or government controlled in many of those countries. "Big Pharma" (without whom you'd probably be dead) is forced to sell medicines at a loss in many of those countries.

Costs have to be recovered somewhere, and it happens here.

What you have described is pure fantasy
 
If you're on heart medication and or have diabetes or other maladies common with aging then you are, in Pelosi and the Democrat's mind, a drain on the system and should be eliminated, especially if you're on Medicare and SS, the things you paid into and financed all your working life.

So what if the 'vaccine' kills you. Your usefulness is over.
But this was the heart of the "Swedish approach" that everyone loved to point to... They literally counted on Covid to work by attrition, to reduce the numbers of those who were no longer contributors. Within their own country, that was the biggest criticism of the approach!
 
But this was the heart of the "Swedish approach" that everyone loved to point to... They literally counted on Covid to work by attrition, to reduce the numbers of those who were no longer contributors
Evidence, please
 
Wrong

Medicine prices are fixed and/or government controlled in many of those countries. "Big Pharma" (without whom you'd probably be dead) is forced to sell medicines at a loss in many of those countries.

Costs have to be recovered somewhere, and it happens here.

What you have described is pure fantasy
"Forced to sell"

Bullshit. Why sell anywhere, where you have to take it in the ball sack? That, sir, is where pure fantasy comes into play. Countries can develop their own pharmaceuticals, and raise up their own industries, if there's no profit. Or would you have us to believe that big pharma is a benevolent contributor, that just wants to save everyone?

You actually believe what you've just written?

Also, "Costs have to be recovered somewhere, and it happens here" is literally THE FUCKING DEFINITION of "subsidizing"! As in, you totally made one of my points for me. Now, if we've agreed that we're subsidizing other groups of people, off the backs of domestic profits, the question becomes, "what's in it for pharma"? That's the starting point.
 
But this was the heart of the "Swedish approach" that everyone loved to point to... They literally counted on Covid to work by attrition, to reduce the numbers of those who were no longer contributors. Within their own country, that was the biggest criticism of the approach!
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one might argue that democrat governors did this so they had more medi-cash funds for illegals or their budget issues.
why did they force covid into nursing homes?
 
"Forced to sell"

Bullshit. Why sell anywhere, where you have to take it in the ball sack? That, sir, is where pure fantasy comes into play. Countries can develop their own pharmaceuticals, and raise up their own industries, if there's no profit. Or would you have us to believe that big pharma is a benevolent contributor, that just wants to save everyone?

You actually believe what you've just written?

Also, "Costs have to be recovered somewhere, and it happens here" is literally THE FUCKING DEFINITION of "subsidizing"! As in, you totally made one of my points for me. Now, if we've agreed that we're subsidizing other groups of people, off the backs of domestic profits, the question becomes, "what's in it for pharma"? That's the starting point.
You can believe what you want. I don't care because it doesn't change the facts.
 
Evidence, please
You did conveniently cut the part where I said, "Within their own country, that was the biggest criticism of the approach!"





 
You can believe what you want. I don't care because it doesn't change the facts.
Which facts would those be? I just saw you post an opinion, so I'm a little confused what you're referring to...
 
If the government offered “hot beef injections” Chode would be first in line.
 
You did conveniently cut the part where I said, "Within their own country, that was the biggest criticism of the approach!"





government sponsored liberal controlled media smears to defend their authoritarian lockdowns.
how can you not see this? i actually had to hold back an insult here.
don't forget that sweden is as woke as anyplace.
 
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one might argue that democrat governors did this so they had more medi-cash funds for illegals or their budget issues.
One "might argue" just about anything.

What's not up for debate, is that everyone, from the beginning, knew EXACTLY who was most at risk for Covid. Whether it was intentional, or purely incompetence, I cannot say. But in the US, or Sweden, if there was gonna be a lockdown, it should have first been the high risk. No questions asked.

But then, we live in a country where you can't even get your asshole coworker to stay home when they have the flu. The mind of the people is as much an obstacle, as anything else.
 
One "might argue" just about anything.

What's not up for debate, is that everyone, from the beginning, knew EXACTLY who was most at risk for Covid. Whether it was intentional, or purely incompetence, I cannot say. But in the US, or Sweden, if there was gonna be a lockdown, it should have first been the high risk. No questions asked.

But then, we live in a country where you can't even get your asshole coworker to stay home when they have the flu. The mind of the people is as much an obstacle, as anything else.


In the history of "quarantine" has it ever been "everyone" is taken out of circulation?
 
i'm surpised the q anon people haven't tried to paint the picture that the china virus is a george soros funded deep state conspiracy to take out the weakest (physically) among us, with the highest medical costs before ushering in globalist socialized "single payer" health care system to make it more affordable once it's ushered in by bill gates and the rest of the members of the bohemian grove owl worshipping baby killer cabal


Zeke Emmanuel....


and his position in the Biden admin....


Anyone check his expiration date?

September 6, 1957 (age 63 years)

Lets see if he honors what he says.
 
One "might argue" just about anything.

What's not up for debate, is that everyone, from the beginning, knew EXACTLY who was most at risk for Covid. Whether it was intentional, or purely incompetence, I cannot say. But in the US, or Sweden, if there was gonna be a lockdown, it should have first been the high risk. No questions asked.

But then, we live in a country where you can't even get your asshole coworker to stay home when they have the flu. The mind of the people is as much an obstacle, as anything else.
if you want to live without risk, and are willing to give up your freedoms to do this, you are probably part of the problem.

we cannot thwart mother nature by living in bubbles.
in this case, it wasn't even mother nature.
it was a man made virus funded by obama and fauci after that sort of gain of function research was deemed too dangerous on US soil.
for this reason, i don't believe the democrat administration will ever allow the wuhan lab to take the blame.
do you think attacks on asians (that have happened forever) is now top news by coincidence?
they are going to make it illegal to point at china because it "feeds hate", the same way you can't point at other groups.
 
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If that's not reason enough for secession, I don't know what is.
It's hard for me to understand why they are even contemplating this. They already have a majority, and I think this move would be really hurtful to them politically. I am no bomb thrower, but a move like this gets me a lot closer to you than anything I have seen to date.
 
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It's hard for me to understand why they are even contemplating this. They already have a majority, and I think this move would be really hurtful to them politically. I am no bomb thrower, but a move like this gets me a lot closer to you than anything I have seen to date.

You're just a late adopter. That's fine.
 
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So... are there no forensic audits being done on death records? Can't imagine that there isn't anyone with a vested interest in finding that kind of information out.

A few months back the CDC audited all of the China clap deaths and published the results on their website. Spoiler alert: 94% had a cormorbidity.
I suspect it's much higher after seeing first hand how one of my family members died and the death cert had covid as the cause. It was not the cause and we got it changed only after threatening the hospital with a lawsuit. Not only was it not the cause, my family member did not have it. Cancer was the cause. I've heard many stories of this same thing happening to others but when it happened to my family, it really hit home and made me realize that the scale of lies we are being told is much larger than we even realize.
 
And the reason will be?

 
if you want to live without risk, and are willing to give up your freedoms to do this, you are probably part of the problem.

we cannot thwart mother nature by living in bubbles.
in this case, it wasn't even mother nature.
it was a man made virus funded by obama and fauci after that sort of gain of function research was deemed too dangerous on US soil.
for this reason, i don't believe the democrat administration will ever allow the wuhan lab to take the blame.
do you think attacks on asians (that have happened forever) is now top news by coincidence?
they are going to make it illegal to point at china because it "feeds hate", the same way you can't point at other groups.

Oh, no, you've greatly misread me. I'd have rolled the dice, and let that shit run. Fucking straight.

I actually think that the level of dangerous stupidity is reaching a critical mass, and if someone isn't working on thinning the herd a bit, eventually, civilization will collapse upon itself. Especially now that we're "globally connected".

Or do we all think that Jesus is gonna swoop in and save the day? Maybe spirit all the "good folk" away, so they don't have go through "the Great Tribulation"?
 
You can start here dumbass

European Pharmaceutical Price Regulation, Firm Profitability, and R&D Spending | NBER

BTW, when I said US firms are forced to sell at regulated prices it means they cannot bypass those price regulations if they wish to do business in the EU (for example). It didn't mean what you thought it meant.

You should do your homework, slice.......
Ok, since we're gonna go there...

Do the pharmaceutical companies receive subsidies from our own federal government (primarily in the form of research grants or tax credits)? If so, how does that play into the overall profitability model? And is there any chance that some of those countries who have price controls, also have more lax regulatory standards? What would those numbers look like if you and I weren't footing the bill? Why do companies who are so grossly profitable, need research grants, subsidies, and tax credits?

Do you even know how to ask questions, or is Google your go-to, when you get a concrete idea in your head?

Maybe you also think that companies selling military technology to foreign government is completely innocent, and above board, too? It's just good business, right?
 
Oh, no, you've greatly misread me. I'd have rolled the dice, and let that shit run. Fucking straight.

I actually think that the level of dangerous stupidity is reaching a critical mass, and if someone isn't working on thinning the herd a bit, eventually, civilization will collapse upon itself. Especially now that we're "globally connected".

Or do we all think that Jesus is gonna swoop in and save the day? Maybe spirit all the "good folk" away, so they don't have go through "the Great Tribulation"?
this is of course what conspiracy theorists accuse scumfuck gates of doing, since he is a proponent of some kind of mandated population control through government or ngo intervention.

and i am not saying there aren't too many people, but when you actively put resources into the survival of populations that nature has selected out, and also allow the least adapted humans to procreate more than successful specimens (indeed encourage it through entitlements), than you are asking for trouble.
 
Ok, since we're gonna go there...

Do the pharmaceutical companies receive subsidies from our own federal government (primarily in the form of research grants or tax credits)? If so, how does that play into the overall profitability model? And is there any chance that some of those countries who have price controls, also have more lax regulatory standards? What would those numbers look like if you and I weren't footing the bill? Why do companies who are so grossly profitable, need research grants, subsidies, and tax credits?

Do you even know how to ask questions, or is Google your go-to, when you get a concrete idea in your head?

Maybe you also think that companies selling military technology to foreign government is completely innocent, and above board, too? It's just good business, right?

You were made to look stupid once already. But I'm busy so I'm not playing your move the goalposts game.

Run along now little boy
 
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In the history of "quarantine" has it ever been "everyone" is taken out of circulation?
Yeah. The quarantine that you are enjoying now, is based off of the methods used during the Spanish flu.
 
when you actively put resources into the survival of populations that nature has selected out, and also allow the least adapted humans to procreate more than successful specimens (indeed encourage it through entitlements), than you are asking for trouble.

This is exactly my sentiments. We have wholesale disabled natural selection. There are examples of it right here in this thread.

The question is, who was meant to inherit the jungle? The physically strong/intellectually deficient, or the intellectually strong/physically deficient?

That's almost a "self-evident" truth, in itself. Anybody who has ever seen the movie, "Idiocracy", knows the answer.

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You were made to look stupid once already. But I'm busy so I'm not playing your move the goalposts game.

Run along now little boy
I like how you think that you can just win a complex debate with a single, overly simplistic statement. As if you had some "silver bullet", and you just ended me. 😆

You and I both know that you don't have the energy to continue that discussion. Don't be proud. ;)
 
This is exactly my sentiments. We have wholesale disabled natural selection. There are examples of it right here in this thread.

The question is, who was meant to inherit the jungle? The physically strong/intellectually deficient, or the intellectually strong/physically deficient?

That's almost a "self-evident" truth, in itself. Anybody who has ever seen the movie, "Idiocracy", knows the answer.

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without being too controversial (i hope) i would just have to assume it will be whoever is in control of the popular narrative and the money.
physical prowess is not a barrier to mental abilities, although often one will take priority over another for time.
football/baseball practice and AP courses are mostly for the exceptionally driven.
 
I like how you think that you can just win a complex debate with a single, overly simplistic statement. As if you had some "silver bullet", and you just ended me. 😆

You and I both know that you don't have the energy to continue that discussion. Don't be proud. ;)
What's the barometeric pressure up there?
 
i agree in principal that oversight is needed, but the problem is that the "government" cannot be trusted.
more oversight means more bribery and corruption.

look at how they controlled HIV treatments, getting rich off AZT that was killing people, not helping them.
this was the government and fauci in action.

IRS, DOJ, FBI, CIA, DEA, FDA, CDC...
all of these have been proven corrupt and while we know there are criminals throughout, there is little if any prosecution.

you can even add a layer of oversight on top of the oversight, and you would just get more corruption.

I agree with that. It's a double edged sword. My example is one of countless other examples that might disprove my point, but it is directly related to vaccines and regulations put forth by the government in order to protect people. Unfortunately, the government has also passed laws to protect the companies they're supposedly protecting the people from, which makes any protections for the people pointless. Which is why I am skeptical of taking a vaccine that has been rushed to market, with more safeguards in place for the companies rather than the people.
It's a fair position to take, especially with the idea of a new type of vaccine. I am certainly more likely to take the J&J variant as my risk category is vanishingly low, and I'd prefer to take something I understand. That said, for years the FDA had a strict safe AND effective standard, which was disastrous because drugs proved safe for one disease could not be used widely for another until proved effective for the new one, despite the established safety standard. We have generally moved passed that in exigent circumstances, but there is still a major issue in that the process is so onerous that only about six or so pharmaceutical companies can bring a product to market, which is a major driver of costs as it drives down competition.

Again, I don't agree with your point of view on it, but I don't think it is an unreasonable one to take.
In some regards you are correct. But we aren't talking about using hydroxychloroquine as a treatment, while saying there isn't enough known about the safety of the drug, which is what Health Canada tried to say. While there isn't much data on what effect it will have on Covid, there is decades of data on patient safety. We are talking about a brand new type of vaccine, on a type of virus that formulating a vaccine has never been successful.

To use my profession as an comparison, companies have built hundreds, even thousands of oil and gas sites, compressor stations, whatever else, with decades of engineering trial and error. That's where the safety data comes from. They already know safe operating pressures, what liquids and chemicals to use and the quantities/ratios. Before start up, though, there is still a testing procedure that still has to be performed. Just because they have 20 teams of engineers all over the country telling them everything will work, they still bring in a commissioning crew to make sure everything works as it is supposed to. And this is when they're building the same site they just built 6 months ago, just in a different location.

Now, we are building a water treatment facility to filter out selenium from river water that comes from a coal mine. I can't tell you what is so different about this treatment process compared to others, but the process they are using is not a common one. The amount of issues ans mistakes from engineering that have come up, has doubled the time frame of the project, the budget, bankrupted the original general contractor, and a new one was just hired. We aren't even done construction yet. The commissioning team lead has told us it isn't going to be a smooth ride when it comes to start up either. The engineering company is one of the countries biggest, who has built the countries largest oil sands mine, and currently building one of the world's largest LNG terminals in Kitimat, BC. They have have resources and man power to do what any other company can do, yet there are still issues.

So now because someone who has a PHD after their name told me the vaccine they made in a year will be safe for me, for years to come, with barely any testing, I'm a conspiracy theorist for being skeptical? These issues don't end because of the industry they are in, and I don't have to be a doctor to know that either.
 
i'm surpised the q anon people haven't tried to paint the picture that the china virus is a george soros funded deep state conspiracy to take out the weakest (physically) among us, with the highest medical costs before ushering in globalist socialized "single payer" health care system to make it more affordable once it's ushered in by bill gates and the rest of the members of the bohemian grove owl worshipping baby killer cabal
Go on, I'm listening.
 
His supposed gaffe about referring to "knee pads" Harris as President Harris will come true.
We have been played all along by the string pullers.
 
That's fine. But 5 and 15 year health effects are generally not part of the approval process under any circumstances. And for good reason. If it took 15 years to approve a drug, we'd be a much poorer world.
You must not have read the link I left, so I will post it again for you. All you have to do is read the first paragraph.

 
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Miss him yet.....


You mean a President who is walking up the stairs like a dignified gentleman or some young dude running up the stairs like he's a cool basketball player or an old man trying to show to the "young'ins" he can still "move up them stairs boys" - just asking....
 
So, a conversation came up in response to a news outlet spinning some BS about how anti Asian hate crime is rampant in this country. Never mind the fact that most doing the crime against Asians are black, aside from this one dude they are making a big deal about. I replied to those people that there is a concerted effort of people trying to rid the people of their rights. That spun over to the 2nd amendment and how I said this was all a set up for the senate votes next week on antigun crap. One thing led to another and they didn’t understand that the BOR are rights granted by God and place limits on the gov. Their response was, I don’t think God wrote those. And these are 40 year old, what I thought were fairly intelligent people, saying this.

How do you go through life, much less school and not have a clue as to what the BORs are? There is zero hope for this country. They then told me I could move. I was like no you guys need to conform. I’ve given lots to this country. Why should I have to move? This country recognizes my rights, they are spelled out in the Constitution which protects me and guarantees me those rights. If they don’t like what the doc says and what this country stands for then they are the ones that need to leave. I then explained that the reason people want to come here is because of what we have. Why in the hell people want to come here and try and change the country to what they left boggles my mind. Same goes for natives that seem to be going along with this idea that the foundation of this country needs to be changed. How about a hard no! Yeah we are screwed. I sent them free lessons on how they can learn more and they simply don’t care!!!!! Fuck! And they make more money than I do.
 
One thing led to another and they didn’t understand that the BOR are rights granted by God and place limits on the gov. Their response was, I don’t think God wrote those. And these are 40 year old, what I thought were fairly intelligent people, saying this.

Granted by God? You equate non-intelligence, with a non-belief in God? You've been given personal assurances by, or had direct conversations with, God?

Do you really consider yourself more intelligent than every person who doesn't share your faith? You don't think that there are secular minded people, who put your own intellect to shame?

Please tell me that you're kidding.