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A judge can set aside a jury's verdict. He can also act as a 13th juror.
good grief. the stupidity is astounding. when they said "ask the bar association for the best lawyers available" I think they asked the wrong bar.
at this point I think there will be a conviction.
I don’t have high hopes, this is going about like all the election talk and look how that turned out.
It’s all a sham folks. I really hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think the system is worth a shit. Everything’s a arm of the political system.
It’s all a sham folks. I really hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think the system is worth a shit. Everything’s a arm of the political system.
I think that when he said, "without prejudice," he was implying that he knew the judge would probably grant it "without prejudice," even though the defense request will be "with prejudice."
IMHO, he didn't articulate himself really well. He can still submit the motion in writing, "with prejudice."
That tweet about 10-2 with 2 fearing retribution smelling more amd more like bull shit. Can’t predict a jury, but long deliberation doesn’t “feel” right for an acquittal.
This is just mind-frikkin-boggling. The prosecution is a bunch of football-fucking monkeys.
I agree with you but let's hope and pray that they have their minds made up but are taking their time to make it look good to minimize the threats to them and their families.
I'm no lawyer, but why would the Defense ask for a mistrial (without prejudice) as opposed to a dismissal of all charges with prejudice ? Why not risk letting it go to a guilty verdict, then appeal ? Otherwise, the Defense is just handing the prosecution (on a silver platter) the ability to wipe the slate clean of their past fuck ups, regroup and up their game for round two.
Desperation. It’s different when you are on the field seeing things unfold real time, and raw.
Yes, absolutely. I've been on Juries before. It's kind of like baseball. Hours of doldrums, interrupted by seconds of mayhem.
No disagreement. But, did we just witness a fuck up of epic proportions on the part of team D ?
Generally speaking, when discussing 4d chess, we are discussing an apparent epic fuck up…
Perhaps I'm a little behind the curve. Is it then fair to say that the 4th "d" IS the F/U ?
I'm leaning that this jury is leaning not guilty, because they are reviewing the drone footage of the first shooting. If they are sure it was murder, they would be reviewing the later videos to determine lesser charges. If Rosenbaum is not murder but self defense, its over. Nothing else matters.
Maybe. Seems like every time Trump did or said anything stupid, someone would say “he’s just on another lever. He’s playing 4d chess while everyone else is playing checkers.” Then, nothing would happen. No kraken gets released.
For me, 4d chess is a pejorative…
We want an acquittal, not mistrial or hung jury because the state can just start the whole trial over again. This trial better not fucking turn into an OJ trial when it comes to length.
Well we always had that “bombshell news dropping next week” so that’s going for us.....
But if the glove don’t fit....
Not necessarily.
A mistrial w/prejudice means it can't be retried.
There's more than enough prosecutorial misconduct for one to be granted.
We've already seen several trials where the person was convicted simply to avoid the riots and fear for their own safety. They've said so after the trial. It's all bullshit at this time. The jury should have been sequestered and a change of venue would have been nice.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
www.wisconsinrightnow.com
Article:
Rittenhouse Trial: Maurice Freeland Suspected Of Being 'Jump Kick Man'
Jump Kick Man, who delivered a flying kick to Rittenhouse's head after Rittenhouse fell to the ground, a move caught in some of the most searing imagery in
www.wisconsinrightnow.com Article:
Maurice Freeland, a felon with a long criminal history and an open domestic violence charge, is accused of being the mysterious supposedly unidentified man known as “Jump Kick Man” during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. Wisconsin Right Now has learned from a law enforcement source in a position to know that prosecutors informed the Rittenhouse defense team only last Thursday, Nov. 11, 2021, as the trial came to an end, that Freeland had come forward claiming to be Jump Kick Man.
Freeland is listed as being in the custody of the Kenosha County Jail as of Nov. 16, 2021. His most recent booking is listed as a probation hold with no bond.
It’s not clear when Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger and his boss, DA Mike Graveley, first learned about Freeland’s claims, the source said. Clearly, it would be a much bigger issue if the prosecution knew his identity for longer because the defense might have wanted to call or cross-examine him or track him down and vet the story; Wisconsin Right Now wrote Graveley and Binger and asked them for comment, and neither wrote back.
Our source added additional details, saying that authorities were unable to do effective facial recognition analysis to prove definitively that Freeland was Jump Kick Man because videos and photos don’t show enough of his face, partly because he was masked.
Jump kick man
WISN 1130 talk radio host Dan O’Donnell first broke the story that prosecutors had identified Jump Kick Man, although he chose not to name him. Our source then provided his name and gave additional details, also confirming O’Donnell’s account that prosecutors told the defense team that Freeland allegedly wanted immunity for an ongoing criminal case, which prosecutor Thomas Binger didn’t grant.
Maurice Freeland was on the streets the night of the Rittenhouse shootings less than two months after getting a plea deal and probation in a domestic abuse case. Binger referred to the men who attacked Rittenhouse as people stopping an “active shooter.”
Jump Kick Man, who delivered a flying kick to Rittenhouse’s head after Rittenhouse fell to the ground, a move caught in some of the most searing imagery in the case, supposedly remained unidentified until the end of the trial; the jury instructions, which charge Rittenhouse with endangering his life, refer to him as an “unknown man.”
This is a photo from april 2021 of freeland from facebook.
See the reference to him in jury instructions here:
Jump Kick Man – as he was referred to by all parties in the court – was never named in court, and he was not called to the stand. The jury went into deliberations thinking his identity was “unknown.” The Rittenhouse jury deliberated for a day without reaching a verdict, concluding at about 5:45 p.m. on Nov. 16, 2021. They will resume deliberations Wednesday morning.
In closing arguments, which took place after our source says Binger told the defense that Freeland claims to be Jump Kick Man, Binger described him this way: “This man that the defense wants to call Jump Kick Man, he’s got no weapons, no gun, no knife, no nothing, comes in and tries to kick the defendant in the face.”
At another spot in closing arguments, Binger told the jury, “And these folks that are coming at him, the Jump Kick Man, Anthony Huber, aren’t armed, they’re not a credible imminent threat to his life…He saw the defendant shoot at Jump Kick Man at close range, miraculously missing… He (Rittenhouse) put jump kick man’s life in jeopardy.
Defense attorney Mark Richards, in closing arguments, said, “Count three, Jump Kick Man, the uncomplaining unidentified witness in count three…Jump kick man comes in, kicks him in the face, spins his body 180 degrees…Even Gaige Grosskreutz said he was concerned about the blows that Jump Kick Man and Anthony Huber were inflicting on Kyle’s head…We saw video earlier of this individual starting the Duramax on fire right here, jump kick man.” He came up multiple times in both closing arguments but never by name.
Freeland has several Facebook pages. His most recent is in the name of Maurice Gohard Freeland and says he also goes by the name King Reese. It doesn’t have much on it that’s visible. Both prosecutors in the case, Thomas Binger and James Kraus, handled some of his previous court hearings on other charges, and he has appeared before Judge Bruce Schroeder in a past case also, according to court records.
He’s no stranger to the DA’s office – including Rittenhouse’s prosecution team – or the system.
We hit the streets of Racine and Kenosha, Wisconsin, on the night of November 16, 2021, knocking on the doors of four addresses attached to Freeland and his soon-to-be ex-wife to see if we could learn more. Freeland has long ties to Kenosha. One address was only a block from the courthouse and a few blocks from the Rittenhouse shooting scenes; it was listed as his current address in a small claims case as of November 15, 2021. No one appeared home, and two men hanging out in a nearby yard didn’t know who he was.
On the afternoon of Nov. 16, the jail’s inmate database was down for maintenance, so we called the jail. A jail official said they couldn’t look him up because their computer was down but that he wasn’t in jail the day before. Our source said he might be out of state now. However, the jail inmate database went back up later in the day on Nov. 16, and he’s now listed as being in custody.
We will continue trying to get his side of the story (if you know Maurice Freeland, write us at [email protected]).
A man who lived at one of the homes for three years said the residence had a new door because the last one was kicked in because a “drug dealer” had lived there, but he didn’t recognize Freeland’s name. A woman at a Racine address attached to him in recent court records said she wasn’t in contact with him anymore, and she wouldn’t open the door of her home, which had a Black Lives Matter sticker on the window. At first, she didn’t seem surprised to hear he’s being accused of being Jump Kick Man, but then she said she didn’t know anything about it. Through social media, we wrote Maurice Freeland, his soon-to-be ex-wife, a woman close to him, but received no response.
Maurice Freeland has open charges for drunk driving with a passenger under 16, disorderly conduct with a domestic abuse modifier, and marijuana possession. The case was filed in June 2021, in Kenosha County. He’s out on a $1,500 signature bond. Court records say he was in court for a status conference in that case on October 29, 2021, and he had just been released from custody.
Jump Kick Man
Jump Kick Man is a critical figure because Rittenhouse is facing a serious charge relating to allegedly shooting at, and missing, him. His attorneys argue that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. Rittenhouse shot and killed Anthony Huber a few seconds later; Huber was hitting him with a skateboard and trying to grab his gun when he opened fire. Then, Gaige Grosskreutz, per his own testimony, moved toward Rittenhouse while pointing a gun at him, and Rittenhouse shot him.
During opening statements, Binger called him “the unknown individual.”
During opening statements, Binger said this about Jump Kick Man: “An individual who is the subject of count number two, the unknown individual, runs in at that point and attempts to kick the defendant in the face while the defendant is on the ground. This unknown individual is unarmed. The defendant, in response, points his AR-15 directly at this individual as this individual is literally flying over his body, and discharges that gun twice.”
In the case shortly before the Rittenhouse shootings, Maurice Freeland was convicted of domestic abuse battery, a misdemeanor. Other charges were dismissed or read in, in exchange for his guilty plea in a plea agreement. Binger was the attorney for the state at his March 23, 2020, initial appearance. On June 29, 2020, Judge Mary Kay Wagner sentence Maurice Freeland to 12 months probation.
That was less than two months before the Rittenhouse shootings.
There was a probation review hearing on March 11, 2021. He was kept on probation with DV programming by Judge David Wilk. His probation was extended six months.
His probation was revoked on August 16, 2021, and he was sentenced to seven months in the Kenosha County Jail with Huber privileges and 77 days credit.
In 2018, he was cited for disorderly conduct in Kenosha County, and, in 2017 and 2016, he was convicted of misdemeanor disorderly conduct, also in Kenosha County.
There was a petition for child support filed against him in 2016. Court records, in that case, refer to him being in custody.
He has several past evictions.
Maurice Freeland’s Criminal Record
- In 2013, he was convicted of THC possession as a repeater, a felony, and misdemeanor obstructing an officer, as a repeater. He received local jail time.
- In 2010, he had another forfeiture for disorderly conduct in a different court.
- In 2009, he was convicted of taking and driving a car without owner’s consent, a felony, and obstructing an officer as a repeater, a misdemeanor.
- He was subjected to a paternity case in 2009.
- In 2008, he was convicted of felony escape.
- In 2008, he was also convicted of two felony counts of misappropriating ID.
- In 2007 and in 2003, he was convicted of misdemeanor THC possession.
- He was convicted of escape, a felony, in 2000.
- Read his Kenosha County jail history here.
I'm of the opinion they are trying to figure out how to give a non answer to avoid a riot.
Justice be damned.
Time will tell.
R
Justice be damned.
Time will tell.
R
The Judge wants a Not Guilty - because its the most bulletproof of the outcomes.
Hung Jury - Mistrial with Prejudice is probably second in line.
Guilty - No Mistrial would be the worst outcome.
I'm betting the judge is waiting on not guilty.
If a hung jury or guilty verdict come back, he'll set aside the verdict and grant the mistrial petition.
If the judge's job is political in nature by any amount they'll not allow it.
R
So if Kyle's shots at jump kick man had connected......
Four felons, 8 shots.....WOW!
Four felons, 8 shots.....WOW!
Broke for the day - no verdict.
Even if he's found guilty, the judge can set aside the verdict and declare the mistrail "with prejudice." And that may very well be what happens if there is a conviction. I think that the judge is in a much better positon to defend himself against riots, etc. than these individual jurors. Having the judge declare the mistrial relieves the jury from that verdict burden and the risk of rioting. If the jury votes to acquit, they are directly at risk. And so is the future of the jury system. Who will want to serve on a jury if they'd be subject to being doxed, rioted, etc. etc.
I think the "right thing" in this case, for both Rittenhouse and the Jury is for the mistrial to be declared with prejudice. I think there's enough there by the prosecutor to justify it. Yes, it puts the judge at risk of riots, etc. but I think he's in a much better position to handle it. This and,. maybe, it will allow the judge to attone for the sin of not sequestering the jury, and/or ensuring the jury's safety. Hopefully, this case will bring forth the need for some jury system reforms. I don't know how they're going to keep the jury safe while they're going to/coming from the courthouse, though. Since everyone's into wearing masks, these days, maybe they could have the jury wear "Anonymous" masks as they enter/leave the courthouse.
The fact its gone on this long its not good for Kyle, and that they want to re-watch the late-entered & altered drone video is also a bad sign.
So a question for the smarter IT folks...There are apparently two files of the video - one 4MB and one 11 MB, the first was given to the defense, the later shown to the jury after it "came back from the crime lab". I'm tech-stupid, but common sense tells something is different about these two files and cause for concern. It may make the judge "queasy", but how far will it be pursued after trial? The judge seems to make it clear (sic) "there will be severe consequences if the video shown is not legit". So if Kyle is found guilty on the provocation charge because of this, and the video is then proven invalid after trial, can the judge still throw out the verdict with prejudice or just demand re-trial?
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This is sickening and to top it off I have problems with my rifle today.
If they find him guilty that tells me if I have to defend myself with deadly force, I'm cleared to drop anyone I want afterwards. That's my take on it.
In for a penny, in for a pound?
I'm getting older. More life sentences don't scare me.
The larger file is the original, and higher quality. The smaller one, provided to the defense, was compressed.
That alone might be enough for reversal on appeal, if convicted.
Disagree, could be to persuade hold outs
This may have been covered, I skipped a bunch of posts today. Compression software shown on prosecutors computer after he claimed he has no idea how to compress videos.
I hope you’re right for Kyle’s and all our sakes.
I just have to be the first person to say it but if it’s not guilty the video game companies might be lining up to get Kyle to sign on the dotted line to lend his name to the “Call of Duty - Kyle Rittenhouse Expansion Pack,” or “Kyle Rittenhouse - Escape from Kenosha.”
You read it here first.
You read it here first.
I disagree, and just replayed that discussion from court- the prosecutors said the original file they received was 4MB as well with the title "I am GXXXX" ; it only became 11MB after coming back from the state crime lab.
That IS what they said....that the Judge then said they would all get to say under oath for some reason.
This.
Yeah no shit! These guys should go straight to jail for evidence tampering!
Should be dismissed already!
Why? Case should be dropped. Damn it.
Could be the strategy!
Agreed!
Possibly.
This!
Agreed.Even if he's found guilty, the judge can set aside the verdict and declare the mistrail "with prejudice." And that may very well be what happens if there is a conviction. I think that the judge is in a much better positon to defend himself against riots, etc. than these individual jurors. Having the judge declare the mistrial relieves the jury from that verdict burden and the risk of rioting. If the jury votes to acquit, they are directly at risk. And so is the future of the jury system. Who will want to serve on a jury if they'd be subject to being doxed, rioted, etc. etc.
I think the "right thing" in this case, for both Rittenhouse and the Jury is for the mistrial to be declared with prejudice. I think there's enough there by the prosecutor to justify it. Yes, it puts the judge at risk of riots, etc. but I think he's in a much better position to handle it. This and,. maybe, it will allow the judge to attone for the sin of not sequestering the jury, and/or ensuring the jury's safety. Hopefully, this case will bring forth the need for some jury system reforms. I don't know how they're going to keep the jury safe while they're going to/coming from the courthouse, though. Since everyone's into wearing masks, these days, maybe they could have the jury wear "Anonymous" masks as they enter/leave the courthouse.
Your first statement is my concern! Any decent jury would already call this for what this is. On the other hand if they just wanted to convict then they would have done so already. So, this actually kind of says someone on the jury wants to do the right thing.
I have a feeling a lot of people are going to start thinking the same way if this corrupt system is allowed to continue like this.
This!
Word.
