Scientific reasons for waiting to get the COVID vaccine

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    All I can say, is I might have Covid right now, or I might have the common cold.
    I have most of the symptoms, but, they are also all the symptoms for a cold. No fever, no loss of taste or smell, unless you count congestion for my lack of smell lol. This is also the second time in two months I've had these same symptoms, which is just fucking strange but whatever.
    Like the article in the first post, those are my exact reasons for not taking it. I'll take it when the FDA approves it.
     

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    some study in germany of over 10k found that 42% of the people that had covid never knew it.
    this means that way more people have had covid than they were guessing, and it may be much less dangerous than they claim.
    of you had a 0.03% chance of being impacted, that might be closer to 0.015.

    it also means that up to 40% of people getting vaxxed are already immune
    and that also means that 40% of the protection they claim is not from the shot.
     
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    Add to this that anecdotal, as well personal experience, tells me human immune systems.......say 1990 on......have become "weaker".

    All I have is "observation" to base this on.

    Look at the prevalence of Epi Pens, Type I diabetes, Lupus, Derm issues, inhalers, spectrums.....

    Maybe its diagnoses is improving, maybe its pharma promoting it.......

    I think its real.

    Repressed immune systems as well they respond aggressively against healthy systems when stimulated.

    Whats the trigger?

    I think the environment is cleaner in general from my childhood but perhaps new things I was not exposed to as a kid.

    I think our food is heavily altered from when I was a kid, more un-natural shit contained within and bad dietary advice.
    Look at the shit people are eating on a daily basis. Everything is processed and spends 2 minutes in a microwave because we are too busy to prepare real food. Glad my ex and I both grew up on farms and taught our kids how to grow their own veggies and how to hunt.
    Cheers
     

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    Yeah....but then you think...
    "Hey.....all these fucking kool-aid drinkers shedding spike proteins around everyone....hmmm....wonder if this is another "gain of function" test."

    Let them vax you. If you can't see you are a fucking bipedal guinea pig....well hell, I'm not sure there's much hope for your dumb ass.

    ETA
    I'd rather be around a Covid patient, than someone who has been vaxxed with gene therapy.
    And I have been around Covid patients, without a mask or hand sanitizer.
    It's not gene therapy.
     
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    mRNA tells your body to make certain proteins.
    when your immune system responds to create antigens, it uses mRNA.
    in this case, they are not coding for the antigen, but instead are coding for a particular protein in the covid virus.
    they are fooling your body into making not antigens to fight a virus, but actually making part of the virus. the part that attaches to our cells.

    problems?
    so far, it seems they expect the vaccine to stay local in the muscle, create the spikes, and then the body would circulate the antigen it creates in response to the spikes.
    but instead, they are finding the spikes all over the body, concentrated in certain vital organs. deez nuts for example.
    they don't know what this will do, besides all the side effects reported, including the death of a 13 yr old boy the other day.
    will it interfere with your body's normal mRNA antigen process? they don't know.
    has pfizer been caught having falsified clinical trial data in the past, after making billions on a drug that was harmful? absolutely.
     
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    A few considerations...

    It's almost like some people are seeking to console themselves with confirmation bias.

    ...like that rifle/optic/widget purchase you make on a whim, then come online asking if it's any good?

    Ever met anyone before covid that was "proud" they got a shot? I mean...really? Lol.

    What is obviously a personal decision...

    Those with the shot are safe, so what's there to worry? And like other aspects of your personal life - well, personally I don't give a shit...but by all means shout it from the mountain-top brother.

    I give those without the shot the benefit of the doubt in calculating their own personal risk. I'm nobody's nanny...and no I'm not saying those without need a nanny...lol.

    Since the cat was let out of the bag re: masks, this is the next decisive topic I suppose.

    Timing is excellent. Going to need another shot(?) of money pumped into the economy. Plus teachers get another school year with remote learning...and all the other "good" things that come alongside, you know...for us to "to be in this together".

    But now I digress.
     

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    It appears the vaccine is safe and effective, how long term effective it is we will see over the next several months. That does not change the fact this is the largest clinical trial in history. At this point is is available to everyone free so I don't care who takes it or not if you are concerned about the virus get the shot, if you are vaccinated why would you care who is not you are protected.
    I did not read all 3 pages before posting so if this was covered mea culpa. Can we stop with the its free horseshit? If you think big pharma is donating billions of dollars of "vaccines" you might be a moron. The taxpayer is footing the bill for the injections. As far as why vaccinated snowflakes are shitting themselves over no vacs its because (in libtard falsetto) " the virus can mutate in unvaccinated people and make the vaccine no longer effective" wahhhhh. I swore I would not get it and held out till 2 weeks ago. Osha mandated unvaccinated people would have to wear that fucking mask at work. This was untenable and I had a choice the jab, the mask, or unemployment. My consolation is that if it turns out there are long term affects I would make my own reparations. The hatred I have for people pushing this genetic modifier on everyone is off the scale. The real kick to the nuts is that the vaccine will not prevent you from getting covid. Now the big selling point is that it will keep you from dieing from covid.
     

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    My consolation is that if it turns out there are long term affects I would make my own reparations.

    Make sure you have someone else sworn to be an avenger for you incase you know.... can't because well... dead or disabled...
    Unlikely, but the dead happened to thousands.
     

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    if i got vaccinated, i would want everyone to share my fate, whatever that is.
    i would not want to end up being wrong and being a minority of people that got fooled into hurting myself.
    but i am selfish and self centered.
     

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    Yes, the numbers are slanted beyond belief. Has any scientist explained how there were practically NO flu related deaths in the last 16 months?
    LoL, both my docs (G.P. & V.A.), laughed when I told them..."Hey doc, have you noticed, we've cured the common cold and the flu?". They agreed with me and said themselves..... "I know, it's all been coded to Covid, shut-up!" Mac:ROFLMAO:
     
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    Make sure you have someone else sworn to be an avenger for you incase you know.... can't because well... dead or disabled...
    Unlikely, but the dead happened to thousands.
    Unfortunately no one I know has the dedication/loyalty that I do. I went to Walgreens to get it because according to their lying website you could pick your poison. Kaiser policy is its random and you get what they give you including the J&J. Fuck that, so I made an appointment with fuckgreens and specified Moderna as that has the least problems associated with it. I get to walgreens ,sorry fuckgreens, and the pharmacists assistant is getting ready to stab me and I ask is that Moderna? No she says we only have Phizer....WTF? So I tell her why I was there and what the fuck. So she gets the pharmacist and he says whats up I say your website says I can choose which genetic modifier. He says all the fuckgreens around here only have Phizer, why are you so set on Moderna? Because says I Moderna kills half as many people. You should have seen his face lulz. At that point I was so distraught I did not give a shit and said fuck it poison me with the Phizer. I had no side affects (yet). Second one is this weekend.
     
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    If that shot of DNA altering fluid is so safe why did they get immunity from recourse?
    This right here, is the key to why many people don't trust the vaccines or the so-called "Experts", period. IF, it was soooo great, pharmaceuticals/doctors, would be accountable for the "jab".
    Mac🤔
     

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    I've had a shitload of vaccines in my life.

    This is the first one I remember where
    the elites pushing it, staged photo-ops to get jabbed by Hollywood prop syringes.

    It may be totally legit. There's probably dozens of totally, above board reasons they'd do that 😆. But it does kinda raise an eyebrow. 🤔



    But, not to worry. Snopes has already verified the authenticity of those, scrubbed from the internet, videos. Turns out it was an optical illusion, caused by light from Venus refracting through sewer gas, from the broke pipe in State Farm Arena, in Fulton County.
     
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    I've had a shitload of vaccines in my life.

    This is the first one I remember where
    the elites pushing it, staged photo-ops to get jabbed by Hollywood prop syringes.

    It may be totally legit. There's probably dozens of totally, above board reasons they'd do that 😆. But it does kinda raise an eyebrow. 🤔
    and the huge companies like amazon and walmart got richer while the middle class store owners were forced to close.
    where is the rationale in that? fuckers i say!
     

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    They ruined Jensen farms over a listeria "outbreak" that killed 6 people with "tainted' cantaloupes. Fined them millions of dollars and tried to put them in prison. They said their cleaning solution they used for the cantaloupes was not strong enough.
     
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    So, according to this just under half of recent covid deaths in the UK are vaccinated people. It says 46%.


     
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    So, according to this just under half of recent covid deaths in the UK are vaccinated people. It says 46%.


    Ken didn't you read the post earlier that said no research is necessary? Only a select few are smart enough to understand the data so let's wait for the experts to help us interpret this fallacious dildo article. Just be patient the VaxPoPo will be along to tell you what to think soon enough. Also, get vaxxed don't be selfish! How long have you hated children and fattys?

    #knowyourrole
    #stayinyourlaneplebe
     
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    ...and you are 68 years old?

    There has been so much fudging with numbers, etc that who knows what to believe anymore.

    I honestly believe that the virus is real and deadly, but pushing a vaccine out so quickly could become a nightmare in the distant future.
    I waited until the Johnson and Johnson vaccine came out. Its traditional rather than the RNA type.
     
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    The North Carolina baseball team was sent home from the college world series because four of the players tested positive for COVID. All four of them had both shots!
    There's story after story of this 95% effective drug being not so effective.
    That’s assuming that the test is complete bullshit. This is the same “science” that gave us global warming.
     

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    The North Carolina baseball team was sent home from the college world series because four of the players tested positive for COVID. All four of them had both shots!
    There's story after story of this 95% effective drug being not so effective.


    Had the golfer, leading on the board, recently forced out of the tournament for popping CV +, been vaccinated?
     
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    He got the second jab " but the 14 days for it to finish baking" had not passed
     

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    Tests ===> Faulty

    Risks===> questionable

    Deaths ====> Inflated

    Mrna technology ====> largely untested long term/UNKNOWN side affects

    Legislators in bed with big Pharma

    Billions of dollars to be made by elites

    I choose to question all of this and remain a cynical bastard.
    No doubt there are questions but mRNA technology testing in the US goes back to the early 90s. This application is recent but the technology is not as brand new and many think it is. (See my earlier post.)

    Even so, being a fellow cynical bastard, I haven't signed up for it.
     

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    No doubt there are questions but mRNA technology testing in the US goes back to the early 90s. This application is recent but the technology is not as brand new and many think it is. (See my earlier post.)

    Even so, being a fellow cynical bastard, I haven't signed up for it.
    How long have the covid clinical tests been executed using mRNA?

    I have two family members that have had bad reactions to the covid vaccine, one spent about a month to a month and a half in the hospital so far for numerous blood clots (not J&J) the other had a fever a couple of hours after the second shot running just above 106f.
    The only cases being reported with heart issues are the major issues, who is checking and studying all the others who have mild symptoms that are saying it is probably indigestion or the to tough to worry about it crowd? Who is doing the post covid vaccination follow ups/testing to confirm or deny the safety of the mRNA vaccine??
     

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    NSAIDs, ACE inhibitors and Beta blockers (BP meds), ADHD meds, Lipitor, and a bunch of other common meds are perfectly safe for humans and totally poisonous to most animals. Sciencia!
     
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    NSAIDS- Heart problems, ulcers, kidney problems
    Beta blockers- took them for 36 years. Aparently liver problems. My doctors own words, "they certainly aren't good for you, but you might have a stroke without them." Its certain at this point i can never stop taking them.
    Ace inhibitors- only took them briefly due to horrendous headaches. Recently tied to strokes.
    ADHD drugs....give it some time, I'm sure there will be something.
    Statins(lipitor)- tied to degradation of nerve coatings, which are almost pure cholesterol.

    None of them are safe. They can be the lesser of two evils, if you cannot live without them. The risk factors and variables are extremely subjective.
    I have personally been a pharmacological guinea pig since I was 14yrs old. Its all poison in varying degrees, even to humans.
    There is a very old book that mentions "witchcraft" the actual Greek used was "pharmacia".
     

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    NSAIDS- Heart problems, ulcers, kidney problems
    Beta blockers- took them for 36 years. Aparently liver problems. My doctors own words, "they certainly aren't good for you, but you might have a stroke without them." Its certain at this point i can never stop taking them.
    Ace inhibitors- only took them briefly due to horrendous headaches. Recently tied to strokes.
    ADHD drugs....give it some time, I'm sure there will be something.
    Statins(lipitor)- tied to degradation of nerve coatings, which are almost pure cholesterol.

    None of them are safe. They can be the lesser of two evils, if you cannot live without them. The risk factors and variables are extremely subjective.
    I have personally been a pharmacological guinea pig since I was 14yrs old. Its all poison in varying degrees, even to humans.
    There is a very old book that mentions "witchcraft" the actual Greek used was "pharmacia".
    tylenol kills hundreds every year, and .gov outlawed hcq that has killed maybe 50 people in 50 years.
    tylenol is not saving anyone's life, and billions on the planet survive without it. i never heard of anyone dying because no tylenol.
    i got internal bleeding from taking too much alieve. now i just live with the pain.

    adhd drugs? remedy for shit parents.
    how many school shooters are on these? i think most of them.
     

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    tylenol kills hundreds every year, and .gov outlawed hcq that has killed maybe 50 people in 50 years.
    tylenol is not saving anyone's life, and billions on the planet survive without it. i never heard of anyone dying because no tylenol.
    i got internal bleeding from taking too much alieve. now i just live with the pain.

    adhd drugs? remedy for shit parents.
    how many school shooters are on these? i think most of them.

    I cannot take Tylenol any more, because, I have taken a beta blocker for nearly 4 decades.

    Why no NSAIDS for me? Last time I took an Aleve I vomited it up in less than 15 minutes. Im no scientist, actually I kinda am/was, but im betting 15 years of celebrex, ultram, meloxicam, nabumitol, etc, ad nauseum.

    So despite my pain every day, I am fucked.....well, until they find another "magic pill".
     

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    havent taken it, not going to. have worked every day, dont wear a mask. if you want to take it fine. if i die from covid, catch yall on the flip side
     

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    Had covid, it passed. Doc literally told me to not stop moving....so I busted my ass working out at the Ole house while I waited my two weeks. It sucks, but the worst? Not even close.

    Wife works in a hospital round my area, she got the vaccine...I did not. Neither her, nor any of my doctors recommended it.

    Fear mongering on either side is embarrassing, make your decision and move on. Looks like plenty of vaccinated individuals are still passing from covid in Europe...ya know, science. So you all do you.

    The turds seeking attention on the internet will always say and do whatever they can for recognition. They gotta keep them knee pads handy for a reason.
     
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    yeah, i half believed the stories, until my brother had a stroke 2 days after getting the shot.

    I've had a TIA and stroke due to BP complications and it's the exact reason why my primary and spouse told me to stay away. Beyond that, I'm not smart enough to make assumptions, just read and have a somewhat educated guess.

    My BS meter is full pegged though with how hard it is being pushed.