Sig P320 Paranoia Setting in.

[LuckyLuke80]

Drop safe is a requirement for the military and virtually all police departments. A 2011 has nothing to do with this.

They either lied about the drop testing or (most likely) didnt perform the testing and pencil whipped it.

Glock was beating Sig in the MHS trials so they halted the testing and said good enough, and then awarded based on LPTA.

People should be in jail for that but those 6 figure retirement jobs are tempting.

Exactly what happened.

 

[dustingaunder]

 

[EddieNFL]

I started reading the pilfered paragraphs above, but had to stop when the author described the 320 trigger. No one with any time on the gun can- with a straight face- describe the 320 trigger as “good.”

Hammered ass, yeah, but not in any way that could be construed as good.

Agreed, but still better than Glock.

 

[Fig]

No I just said it. Sorry you’re a fudd that needs a safety switch.

I thought you were just a moron getting all your opinions from the gun store, but you’re fucking next level. Now I’m pretty fuckin sure you’re an employee and work the counter at the gun store.

I used to think Mas Ayobe (however you spell it) was a fucking moron, but when considering the public, and all the non-gun/afraid-of-guns people what he says suddenly makes sense.

We can’t all be bad ass operators like you who stack bodies like cordwood. Some people need a manual safety, because pistols are not their hobby, they are not going to train day and night, in the freezing cold and burning heat, on the top of mountains and at the bottom of the sea, like you, and they just aren’t as physically and mentally as awesome as you are Ace. Most people are fat slob fucking idiots, and a manual safety will probably save them from themselves. They are in far more danger of an ND than a safety when attacked. The problem is that terminators like you convince them that unless they’re carrying for combat they’re pussies. So you sell them a Glock and they don’t practice, and their stupid booger hook shoots themselves or someone they love. Nice job. Good gun storeing. Have an extra whole pizza for lunch to reward yourself.

I can’t even imagine all your YouTube senseis who give you your opinions. When I picture you it’s a cross between Stephen Segal and Claude VanDam.

 

[LuckyLuke80]

I thought you were just a moron getting all your opinions from the gun store, but you’re fucking next level. Now I’m pretty fuckin sure you’re an employee and work the counter at the gun store.

I used to think Mas Ayobe (however you spell it) was a fucking moron, but when considering the public, and all the non-gun/afraid-of-guns people what he says suddenly makes sense.

We can’t all be bad ass operators like you who stack bodies like cordwood. Some people need a manual safety, because pistols are not their hobby, they are not going to train day and night, in the freezing cold and burning heat, on the top of mountains and at the bottom of the sea, like you, and they just aren’t as physically and mentally as awesome as you are Ace. Most people are fat slob fucking idiots, and a manual safety will probably save them from themselves. They are in far more danger of an ND than a safety when attacked. The problem is that terminators like you convince them that unless they’re carrying for combat they’re pussies. So you sell them a Glock and they don’t practice, and their stupid booger hook shoots themselves or someone they love. Nice job. Good gun storeing. Have an extra whole pizza for lunch to reward yourself.

I can’t even imagine all your YouTube senseis who give you your opinions. When I picture you it’s a cross between Stephen Segal and Claude VanDam.

Wow! You’re hilarious! Oh yeah, and you couldn’t be more wrong about me and gun stores and larping, but that’s ok. I guess I found your hot button. Of course this is the pit, so irrational conclusions are to be expected. Also, you still haven’t shown me how a manual safety makes someone more or less likely to shoot themselves. In training I’ve seen countless noobs that FORGET there is a safety or a de-cocker on their pistol over and over. It’s not exactly more safe, and it can actually pose another safety risk. Also, most of the people that get shot seem to be the ones trying to play John wick or some such idiocy. Point being-just because they have a safety but they don’t train-that safety is going to do them zero good if they don’t have the basic fundamental of keeping their finger off the trigger. If their brain can’t get that fundamental correct, then you and everyone around is going to trust that they will just automatically hit the safety switch?

 

[hlee]

There’s a pretty prolific poster here somewhere that brags about having a 1911 style safety installed on his striker fired pistol (maybe Glock, can’t remember, don’t care enough to search).

For my money, I shoot a 2011 in USPSA (not fast, but I’m there) and have a CZ nocturne (decocker) for carry.

 

[Moneyball]

I have a FN 510 that I carry in bear country. No issues with it at all.

 

[LuckyLuke80]

There’s a pretty prolific poster here somewhere that brags about having a 1911 style safety installed on his striker fired pistol (maybe Glock, can’t remember, don’t care enough to search).

For my money, I shoot a 2011 in USPSA (not fast, but I’m there) and have a CZ nocturne (decocker) for carry.

Yes sir. And the guys like you didn’t choose a 2011 JUST because it has a safety. You chose that pistol because it’s an awesome pistol for competing and the cz is awesome for carry. You know it has a safety, so you train with it and you obviously aren’t relying on it to keep you from shooting yourself cause if you compete you are training to be safe

 

[6brshooter]

So essentially in the P365 (manual safety) it seems Sig understood the "P320 problem" and quietly put a proper actual real working safety into the manual safety versions?

Which might be a reason to pick the Safety versions of the P365 over the standard versions.
But the Safety on the P320 MS / M17 / M18 essentially doesn't do anything but keep you from actually pulling the trigger.

Yes, if one "likes" safeties. The 365 has a more traditional striker safety plunger set up, compared to the 320. The 365 has more engagement/overlap of striker/striker safety than the miniscule amount of the 320. Also, the 365 uses a traditional coil spring on striker safety, compared to weak leaf spring on 320 striker safety. Combine that with the completely reworked fcu of the 365, and not sure if safety is needed. I'm a glock guy through and through, well shadow system and zev oz9 but still have a 19x and 49 glock. I also bought a 365 3.1" to run a macro grip and radian comp on. It's been boringly safe and reliable for 900rds of testing(not a lot, admittedly). Only issue I've had was a couple light strikes on reloads that had some 2020 made primers that were foreign and marked "small pistol, small revolver, and small rifle", but a glock did fire the ones that failed to fire in the 365. I did order a +20%striker spring for the 365, I doubt it changes trigger pull much, as it's a fully cocked striker system.

 

[Fig]

Clearly you are not just an expert, but an advanced combat firearms instructor/IDPA champion who trains the tip of the spear when you’re not caressing your Glock behind the counter and dreaming of shooting people.

Most people don’t shoot pistols as a hobby. Most don’t have a sidearm for work. You are in a tiny category of people if you do or compete. It’s a very small community.

I don’t really disagree with you, and both my edc’s have no manual safety. My BBQ pistols do, and they are not “more dangerous”, nor am I unarmed when open carry their engravy ivorynesss in tooled leather holsters…

However, you have:

You are such a deuschbag that I think I’ll keep telling everyone how awesome you are till I get board. Of course, you’re already backpedaling which shortens my already short attention span. I thought only Fudds liked a manual safety? Now there are actual gun people who shoot competitively who like them? I’m starting to be confused, but I am listening to the master, and I want to learn. The problem is clearly me and not you, because how could it be you? It just couldn’t! Not possible.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Of course with all this back and forth derision or championing of manual safety levers and such, I like sometimes totally astounding the minds of haters of safeties by suggesting the even more bestest thing is going with the good old German belt and suspenders approach and carrying one of the pistols that can be both decocked AND have manual safety switched on at the same time HA!

That usually totally gets some folks in a confused head spin of how is that even possible HA!
Decocked AND on safety? That like defies the laws of mechanics HA!

The upside, if someone grabs your gun or a kid picks it up while you were an idiot and distracted, you could probably get it back and/or beat them over the head before they figured it out. The downside... well the reverse could happen to you if you forget in the heat of the moment...
(As shown in the movie Series 7 the contenders).

 

[Fig]

Even more astounding is the magazine safety on a Browning High Power (HP-35), cuz if someone stealz yer gun, in kundishun wun yu ken drop da mag, and den use yer Krav Muguh on em!

 

[doubloon]

It’s a very small community.

Of which an even smaller portion excel at it or regularly make the winner's circle.

Most people competing just do it so they can brag. Not a small number of them can be beat by a few guys who shoot twice a year.

 

[Fig]

True, same as with anything. Most of us are joes who have jobs and work, and don't have time to practice and train to actually get good enough to beat those who do, or those who are lucky sperm club and just have gobs of natural talent.

Such as it is, I really enjoy competing in gun sports/games and do so as time allows, knowing I'm never going to be the best or a champ. I am totally and completely ok at that. The only thing I need to consistently win at is being a father, husband, brother, son, and friend.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Okay, just caught up on this thread after taking Rebecca out for breakfast.

I'm enjoying this. Can you guys post some more arguments? I'd like to keep reading.

 

[Fig]