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Yes, its worth getting in a gunfight to keep from being looted and attacked by the hordes.You have insurance for the shit in the car. There's no need to get into a gunfight for that stuff.
You have insurance for household effects. See #1.
Someone in your house while it's occupied by your loved ones and the invaders are both uninvited and appear to be armed? THAT's worth getting into a gunfight over.
To watch them drop and kick around in a circle in pain before you do a mag dump on them?Why you would purposely shoot someone in the body armor is beyond me.
Soft body armor is precisely why my primary HD rig is a 5.56. Plates are why I have more than *seven* rounds.
Unfortunately, there are many states where popping dudes in defense like this is a criminal act...fortunately I chose not to live in one of those states.
Soft armor dont stop ss109 or 855A1...
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Lots of replies, still no reason to shoot someone purposely in the body armor.
If you have time to aim the shot, why shoot them there?
Pelvis to avoid the BA and disable, yes. CNS, yes. Why aim for the body armor?
I'm not being thick, I'm just thinking if you shoot them anywhere, no mater what proceeded it, they have the right to shoot back. Why shoot them in a manner that allows them to shoot back?
“For it must be noted, that men must either be caressed or else annihilated; they will revenge themselves for small injuries, but cannot do so for great ones; the injury therefore that we do to a man must be such that we need not fear reprisal.”
― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince
Don't do that. Should not tamper with scene. It was dark, you thought you saw weapons, heard threats and fearful of life fired your weapon. You want to go to hospital. regain composure if you can and call atty.So hypothetically speaking.... what if you go out and kill these fuckers and when the popo show up you tell em you heard a bunch of gunshots came outside and found the bodies and you don't know what happened? Of course hide the shit out of whatever you used and make sure no powder residue on you.
So hypothetically speaking.... what if you go out and kill these fuckers and when the popo show up you tell em you heard a bunch of gunshots came outside and found the bodies and you don't know what happened? Of course hide the shit out of whatever you used and make sure no powder residue on you.
The guy who taught me my CCW class suggested that very thing. He said that if we followed the use of force laws and doctrines and had a good shoot that picking up your brass walking away was far and away the best policy given the political nature of the American prosecutorial system when it came to self defense.
Then again, he also wrote the book, "Unintended Consequences".
Of course there's powder residue. I shoot every day.The powder residue is what's going to get you. Then it opens up a few other charges when you lied to the police.
Huh? Who wrote that law? AOC?Lots of replies, still no reason to shoot someone purposely in the body armor.
If you have time to aim the shot, why shoot them there?
Pelvis to avoid the BA and disable, yes. CNS, yes. Why aim for the body armor?
I'm not being thick, I'm just thinking if you shoot them anywhere, no mater what proceeded it, they have the right to shoot back. Why shoot them in a manner that allows them to shoot back?
Lots of replies, still no reason to shoot someone purposely in the body armor.
If you have time to aim the shot, why shoot them there?
Pelvis to avoid the BA and disable, yes. CNS, yes. Why aim for the body armor?
I'm not being thick, I'm just thinking if you shoot them anywhere, no mater what proceeded it, they have the right to shoot back. Why shoot them in a manner that allows them to shoot back?
“For it must be noted, that men must either be caressed or else annihilated; they will revenge themselves for small injuries, but cannot do so for great ones; the injury therefore that we do to a man must be such that we need not fear reprisal.”
― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince
Or head shotsSoft armor dont stop ss109 or 855A1...
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Shoot and hit the shower. Lather all over, rinse and repeat.The powder residue is what's going to get you. Then it opens up a few other charges when you lied to the police.
Well… I am rather attached to my Credence cds…!Shows how bold these fuckers have become. And just the thought process of having armor and over watch to steal some crap from a car and premeditating a lethal conflict?. Jumper cables and old Creedence cd's, crazy.
I’m assuming you mean faggots and women?Blame emotional voters for not just being able to double tap them when they are in the committing a crime on your property
Your words not mine lolI’m assuming you mean faggots and women?
No 22 with a silencer and shoot them in the feet?Thermal.
That is all.
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Well, not only that.No 22 with a silencer and shoot them in the feet?
You can, but when you change the gauze wrap their brain comes out like a can of snakes.ya cant tourniquet a headshot....jus say'in...
The guy who taught me my CCW class suggested that very thing. He said that if we followed the use of force laws and doctrines and had a good shoot that picking up your brass walking away was far and away the best policy given the political nature of the American prosecutorial system when it came to self defense.
Then again, he also wrote the book, "Unintended Consequences".
Out in the country I highly doubt these "yuts" would be stupid enough to give it a go but if they did their bodies getburied in who knows wheretaken to a hog feed lot to disappear.
No matter how you slice this, there isn't a "I shot him in the body armor on purpose" that's much better than shooting him anywhere else.
Bad prosecutor "You shot him!"
Good prosecutor, "You shot him in self defense."
Difference is in you telling the popo the tale, or him telling the tale, because he got up and shot you in the head like he was trained to do, and not in the body armor like some dumbass.
I knew a retired cop that took two 230gr. .45's to the torso wearing soft body armor while responding to a burglary alarm of a business. He said it was like being tasered. It cracked a rib and separated cartilage, which was debilitating painful and rendered him momentarily stunned.You do realize that getting shot while wearing armor is like getting hit in the chest with a baseball bat. Right?
You think you can take a full swing of hickory in the ribs and function?
Where do you think two in the chest one in the head came from?
Yes, I do.
Why would I hit someone "with a hickory stick in the ribs" when I could CNS them and be done with it?
All gunfights are shoot to stop. If I knew a hickory stick would suffice, I'd do that.
However, I KNOW a CNS hit will stop the threat.
Specifically, if you had the time to aim on a current and active threat, why would you aim for the body armor and not a structural (groin) or CNS (head) shot?
I'm pretty sure (may be wrong) two in the chest and one in the head came from The Moro Rebellion (1899–1913), and the inability to stop the threat with conventional (body shot) means. That's where 45 caliber autoloaders came from, and sped loaders (moon clips) and a lot of other tactical solutions to hard to stop aggressors.
It originally had nothing at all to do with body armor, I'll bet.
You tub the perp and everyday you take a shit you send a little bit of the perp down with the rest of the turds, actually its like giving him a burial at sea.
Yes, I do.
Why would I hit someone "with a hickory stick in the ribs" when I could CNS them and be done with it?
All gunfights are shoot to stop. If I knew a hickory stick would suffice, I'd do that.
However, I KNOW a CNS hit will stop the threat.
Specifically, if you had the time to aim on a current and active threat, why would you aim for the body armor and not a structural (groin) or CNS (head) shot?
I'm pretty sure (may be wrong) two in the chest and one in the head came from The Moro Rebellion (1899–1913), and the inability to stop the threat with conventional (body shot) means. That's where 45 caliber autoloaders came from, and sped loaders (moon clips) and a lot of other tactical solutions to hard to stop aggressors.
It originally had nothing at all to do with body armor, I'll bet.
...why would you aim for the body armor and not a structural (groin) or CNS (head) shot?
This is EXACTLY what every conservative politician should be preaching right now. Sure, it's going to piss off the lib-tards and softies; but that's what these thieving people should fear...just like a cattle rustler in the west. Fact is, plenty of people bust their ass to provide for their family and the extra stress they may have to afford that big-screen and perhaps that extra time away from family (working OT) apparently is 100% discounted. Why, so these POS's can just steal at will with ZERO consequence? I like the Texas rule where if at night, on your property and stealing........... (again, cattle rustlers were not treated well).I always counter the argument idiots put up "is stuff worth more than a person's life?" to which i reply "that is the exact question they should be asking themselves as they gear up to go out steal what people have worked for? Is my life worth a 400 dollar tv from walmart?" the debate is usually over at the point.
Should work for jack booted thugs in black, as well.Two to the chest, then two to the head. I doubt they will ever come back.
Body armor is way over rated.
Body armor = pelvis shots. Pretty effective way to have someone bleed out...fast.
The guy who taught me my CCW class suggested that very thing. He said that if we followed the use of force laws and doctrines and had a good shoot that picking up your brass walking away was far and away the best policy given the political nature of the American prosecutorial system when it came to self defense.
Then again, he also wrote the book, "Unintended Consequences".
Don't you mean "CAIN'T tourniquet the TAINT." LOL....sorry, I couldn't help myself.Can't tourniquet the taint
Does he also advocate a revolver then?You……...took a CCW class taught by John Ross? That is remarkable
You can't miss fast enough to win a gunfight?
Body armor is way over rated.
Pretty sure a fellow member was visited for dreams like you're having. Might want to keep those gardening fantasies to yourself.I loved the idea ( not mine) of strategically placing ceramic flower pots packed with ball bearings and tannerite along over the property. I like the idea of placing them at 50 and 100 yard increments. Red pots are 50 and the blue pots are 100. Also, putting in a sprinkler system flooded with gasoline and then turning them on as the assailants make their way into the kill zone. again not my idea but it is one of my dream setups. Along with a not too easy to climb wall with bright spot lights all over it to help blind and disorient the intruders while providing location and easy recognition and then we have a true roach motel, once they go in they never come out. Insert evil laugh……..