So, this one tactic is how the hordes will attack the suburban neighborhoods.

Shows how bold these fuckers have become. And just the thought process of having armor and over watch to steal some crap from a car and premeditating a lethal conflict?. Jumper cables and old Creedence cd's, crazy.
 
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You have insurance for the shit in the car. There's no need to get into a gunfight for that stuff.
You have insurance for household effects. See #1.
Someone in your house while it's occupied by your loved ones and the invaders are both uninvited and appear to be armed? THAT's worth getting into a gunfight over.
Yes, its worth getting in a gunfight to keep from being looted and attacked by the hordes.

That type of mindset, to flee or stand by wringing your hands and biting your lip in white guilt while the 'gimme dats' loot your shit, rape your wife and drive off in your car is what the Left wants to become the new norm.

You may as well move to S. Africa
 
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Soft body armor is precisely why my primary HD rig is a 5.56. Plates are why I have more than *seven* rounds.

Unfortunately, there are many states where popping dudes in defense like this is a criminal act...fortunately I chose not to live in one of those states.

Good thing about robbing @diggler1833 is that you will die with bullets fired from a really sweet firearm.

Imagine the shame of being killed by a Hi Point?
 
Lots of replies, still no reason to shoot someone purposely in the body armor.

If you have time to aim the shot, why shoot them there?

Pelvis to avoid the BA and disable, yes. CNS, yes. Why aim for the body armor?

I'm not being thick, I'm just thinking if you shoot them anywhere, no mater what proceeded it, they have the right to shoot back. Why shoot them in a manner that allows them to shoot back?

“For it must be noted, that men must either be caressed or else annihilated; they will revenge themselves for small injuries, but cannot do so for great ones; the injury therefore that we do to a man must be such that we need not fear reprisal.”​


― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince
 
So hypothetically speaking.... what if you go out and kill these fuckers and when the popo show up you tell em you heard a bunch of gunshots came outside and found the bodies and you don't know what happened? Of course hide the shit out of whatever you used and make sure no powder residue on you.
 
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The guy who taught me my CCW class suggested that very thing. He said that if we followed the use of force laws and doctrines and had a good shoot that picking up your brass walking away was far and away the best policy given the political nature of the American prosecutorial system when it came to self defense.

Then again, he also wrote the book, "Unintended Consequences".
 
Lots of replies, still no reason to shoot someone purposely in the body armor.

If you have time to aim the shot, why shoot them there?

Pelvis to avoid the BA and disable, yes. CNS, yes. Why aim for the body armor?

I'm not being thick, I'm just thinking if you shoot them anywhere, no mater what proceeded it, they have the right to shoot back. Why shoot them in a manner that allows them to shoot back?

“For it must be noted, that men must either be caressed or else annihilated; they will revenge themselves for small injuries, but cannot do so for great ones; the injury therefore that we do to a man must be such that we need not fear reprisal.”​


― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince

2 to the chest , then 2 to the head will not give them time to react and return fire. We're talking no more than 3 seconds and if you practice, you're down to no more than 1 second.

You'd be surprised at how fast those 4 shots can occur.
 
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So hypothetically speaking.... what if you go out and kill these fuckers and when the popo show up you tell em you heard a bunch of gunshots came outside and found the bodies and you don't know what happened? Of course hide the shit out of whatever you used and make sure no powder residue on you.
Don't do that. Should not tamper with scene. It was dark, you thought you saw weapons, heard threats and fearful of life fired your weapon. You want to go to hospital. regain composure if you can and call atty.
 
So hypothetically speaking.... what if you go out and kill these fuckers and when the popo show up you tell em you heard a bunch of gunshots came outside and found the bodies and you don't know what happened? Of course hide the shit out of whatever you used and make sure no powder residue on you.

The powder residue is what's going to get you. Then it opens up a few other charges when you lied to the police.
 
No matter how you slice this, there isn't a "I shot him in the body armor on purpose" that's much better than shooting him anywhere else.

Bad prosecutor "You shot him!"
Good prosecutor, "You shot him in self defense."

Difference is in you telling the popo the tale, or him telling the tale, because he got up and shot you in the head like he was trained to do, and not in the body armor like some dumbass.
 
The guy who taught me my CCW class suggested that very thing. He said that if we followed the use of force laws and doctrines and had a good shoot that picking up your brass walking away was far and away the best policy given the political nature of the American prosecutorial system when it came to self defense.

Then again, he also wrote the book, "Unintended Consequences".

Who knew that the book would become a tutorial for the Right to take back the USA?
 
Lots of replies, still no reason to shoot someone purposely in the body armor.

If you have time to aim the shot, why shoot them there?

Pelvis to avoid the BA and disable, yes. CNS, yes. Why aim for the body armor?

I'm not being thick, I'm just thinking if you shoot them anywhere, no mater what proceeded it, they have the right to shoot back. Why shoot them in a manner that allows them to shoot back?

Huh? Who wrote that law? AOC?
 
Lots of replies, still no reason to shoot someone purposely in the body armor.

If you have time to aim the shot, why shoot them there?

Pelvis to avoid the BA and disable, yes. CNS, yes. Why aim for the body armor?

I'm not being thick, I'm just thinking if you shoot them anywhere, no mater what proceeded it, they have the right to shoot back. Why shoot them in a manner that allows them to shoot back?

“For it must be noted, that men must either be caressed or else annihilated; they will revenge themselves for small injuries, but cannot do so for great ones; the injury therefore that we do to a man must be such that we need not fear reprisal.”​


― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince

Just another thought. If the area is dark and with all the excitement, who knows if you're going to see the soft body armor on the guy.

You're taught to shoot center mass, if that doesn't work, then go for the head. You're assuming a lot to say that the shooter even knew the guy had body armor.
 
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You shoot and then shower after, problem is they all have 9mm glocks and were ventilated with 556. This is basically a problem for the suburban Karen zones, unless your neighbors were cool and didn't see or hear nothing.

In many urban areas you just toss the body in an abandoned building and they'll be found in 6 months or so, aka Detroit. No snitches in the ghetto.

Out in the country I highly doubt these "yuts" would be stupid enough to give it a go but if they did their bodies get buried in who knows where.
 
The guy who taught me my CCW class suggested that very thing. He said that if we followed the use of force laws and doctrines and had a good shoot that picking up your brass walking away was far and away the best policy given the political nature of the American prosecutorial system when it came to self defense.

Then again, he also wrote the book, "Unintended Consequences".

revolvers FTMFW
 
No matter how you slice this, there isn't a "I shot him in the body armor on purpose" that's much better than shooting him anywhere else.

Bad prosecutor "You shot him!"
Good prosecutor, "You shot him in self defense."

Difference is in you telling the popo the tale, or him telling the tale, because he got up and shot you in the head like he was trained to do, and not in the body armor like some dumbass.

You do realize that getting shot while wearing armor is like getting hit in the chest with a baseball bat. Right?

You think you can take a full swing of hickory in the ribs and function?

Where do you think two in the chest one in the head came from?
 
Yes, I do.

Why would I hit someone "with a hickory stick in the ribs" when I could CNS them and be done with it?

All gunfights are shoot to stop. If I knew a hickory stick would suffice, I'd do that.

However, I KNOW a CNS hit will stop the threat.

Specifically, if you had the time to aim on a current and active threat, why would you aim for the body armor and not a structural (groin) or CNS (head) shot?

I'm pretty sure (may be wrong) two in the chest and one in the head came from The Moro Rebellion (1899–1913), and the inability to stop the threat with conventional (body shot) means. That's where 45 caliber autoloaders came from, and sped loaders (moon clips) and a lot of other tactical solutions to hard to stop aggressors.

It originally had nothing at all to do with body armor, I'll bet.
 
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You do realize that getting shot while wearing armor is like getting hit in the chest with a baseball bat. Right?

You think you can take a full swing of hickory in the ribs and function?

Where do you think two in the chest one in the head came from?
I knew a retired cop that took two 230gr. .45's to the torso wearing soft body armor while responding to a burglary alarm of a business. He said it was like being tasered. It cracked a rib and separated cartilage, which was debilitating painful and rendered him momentarily stunned.

Luckily, the perp took off.
 
I was always told you NEVER say you shot someone. you fired your weapon the perp went down but how do you know that he didn't shoot himself accidentally? How do you know that his partner didn't shoot him intentionally or unintentionally? How do you know that another unknown person hiding in the treeline good or bad took the shot? How do you know that God didn't shoot him hence the george floyd mural. You were in danger for your life, you fired your weapon, the person went down, I don't know what happened and i called for help. It should also be noted that it is always better if the person taking a dirt nap doesn't wake up and tell the lib judge they were new to the area or they were confused or had low blood sugar or took ambien or suffer from PTSD etc....Also a weapon laying nearby the perp also goes a long way.
NJ is a retreat state. If you can retreat you retreat. you only fire when you cannot retreat any longer. Fuck that shit
I always counter the argument idiots put up "is stuff worth more than a person's life?" to which i reply "that is the exact question they should be asking themselves as they gear up to go out steal what people have worked for? Is my life worth a 400 dollar tv from walmart?" the debate is usually over at the point.
 
Yes, I do.

Why would I hit someone "with a hickory stick in the ribs" when I could CNS them and be done with it?

All gunfights are shoot to stop. If I knew a hickory stick would suffice, I'd do that.

However, I KNOW a CNS hit will stop the threat.

Specifically, if you had the time to aim on a current and active threat, why would you aim for the body armor and not a structural (groin) or CNS (head) shot?

I'm pretty sure (may be wrong) two in the chest and one in the head came from The Moro Rebellion (1899–1913), and the inability to stop the threat with conventional (body shot) means. That's where 45 caliber autoloaders came from, and sped loaders (moon clips) and a lot of other tactical solutions to hard to stop aggressors.

It originally had nothing at all to do with body armor, I'll bet.

The technique may have originally been used in the Moro Rebellion, but if so, it was forgotten. It was reborn independently, 60 years later and for different reasons.

Two to the chest, one to the head, aka the Mozambique drill, wasn't used or taught by any military or police force from WWI-on until Jeff Cooper (who apparently learned it from a Rhodesian mercenary buddy who re-invented the technique in the Mozambican War) began teaching it in the late 1970s.
 
Thank you for that thought. I always wondered ...pigs? breaking bad style muriatic acid in a 55 gal plastic drum not a ceraminc tub, a fishing trip to the glades..... But i never thought go Sopranos or Dexter style with straight up dissection. LOL, I often wondered if the writers of these shows actually read reports of this stuff that had in fact happened or do they sit around and think of ways to do this? Either way it shows what depths of evil man is capable of.
 
Yes, I do.

Why would I hit someone "with a hickory stick in the ribs" when I could CNS them and be done with it?

All gunfights are shoot to stop. If I knew a hickory stick would suffice, I'd do that.

However, I KNOW a CNS hit will stop the threat.

Specifically, if you had the time to aim on a current and active threat, why would you aim for the body armor and not a structural (groin) or CNS (head) shot?

I'm pretty sure (may be wrong) two in the chest and one in the head came from The Moro Rebellion (1899–1913), and the inability to stop the threat with conventional (body shot) means. That's where 45 caliber autoloaders came from, and sped loaders (moon clips) and a lot of other tactical solutions to hard to stop aggressors.

It originally had nothing at all to do with body armor, I'll bet.

You sound like a fudd
 
I always counter the argument idiots put up "is stuff worth more than a person's life?" to which i reply "that is the exact question they should be asking themselves as they gear up to go out steal what people have worked for? Is my life worth a 400 dollar tv from walmart?" the debate is usually over at the point.
This is EXACTLY what every conservative politician should be preaching right now. Sure, it's going to piss off the lib-tards and softies; but that's what these thieving people should fear...just like a cattle rustler in the west. Fact is, plenty of people bust their ass to provide for their family and the extra stress they may have to afford that big-screen and perhaps that extra time away from family (working OT) apparently is 100% discounted. Why, so these POS's can just steal at will with ZERO consequence? I like the Texas rule where if at night, on your property and stealing........... (again, cattle rustlers were not treated well).

Add to the fact these people had a gun and not just opening unlocked cars means bad news. As one TX sheriff deputy told me...if they are coming at night; fully expect them to be armed...very few steal at night/break-in without having a gun.
 
The guy who taught me my CCW class suggested that very thing. He said that if we followed the use of force laws and doctrines and had a good shoot that picking up your brass walking away was far and away the best policy given the political nature of the American prosecutorial system when it came to self defense.

Then again, he also wrote the book, "Unintended Consequences".

You……...took a CCW class taught by John Ross? That is remarkable
 
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I loved the idea ( not mine) of strategically placing ceramic flower pots packed with ball bearings and tannerite along over the property. I like the idea of placing them at 50 and 100 yard increments. Red pots are 50 and the blue pots are 100. Also, putting in a sprinkler system flooded with gasoline and then turning them on as the assailants make their way into the kill zone. again not my idea but it is one of my dream setups. Along with a not too easy to climb wall with bright spot lights all over it to help blind and disorient the intruders while providing location and easy recognition and then we have a true roach motel, once they go in they never come out. Insert evil laugh……..
 
I loved the idea ( not mine) of strategically placing ceramic flower pots packed with ball bearings and tannerite along over the property. I like the idea of placing them at 50 and 100 yard increments. Red pots are 50 and the blue pots are 100. Also, putting in a sprinkler system flooded with gasoline and then turning them on as the assailants make their way into the kill zone. again not my idea but it is one of my dream setups. Along with a not too easy to climb wall with bright spot lights all over it to help blind and disorient the intruders while providing location and easy recognition and then we have a true roach motel, once they go in they never come out. Insert evil laugh……..
Pretty sure a fellow member was visited for dreams like you're having. Might want to keep those gardening fantasies to yourself.