So we are at war .

[Alphatreedog]

Michigan Church shooting .

Live Updates: Michigan church engulfed in flames after shooting injures multiple people

Multiple people injured following Michigan church shooting

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Alphatreedog]

Funny because of all of the mental cases , Antifa and militant Tranny murderers Pa. is dialing up gun laws .
How about I keep my shit because the Government and DA's won't enforce the law . May as well throw in the activists Commie Judges .
I refuse to be a fucking lamb to slaughter .

 

[Fx51LP308]

It's weird. I'm looking at the footage Newsmax is broadcasting. The LDS church is on fire, but in the distance. Where the camera is positioned, it would appear there's a much closer church sign visible: "Kingom Hall of Jehovah's; Witnesses...." Hmmmmmmmmmm....

Also ironic that Newsmax reported this morning that the president of the LDS church died today (or yesterday). Another Hmmmmmm......

 

[Maggot]

It's weird. I'm looking at the footage Newsmax is broadcasting. The LDS church is on fire, but in the distance. Where the camera is positioned, it would appear there's a much closer church sign visible: "Kingom Hall of Jehovah's; Witnesses...." Hmmmmmmmmmm....

Also ironic that Newsmax reported this morning that the president of the LDS church died today (or yesterday). Another Hmmmmmm......

I beleive the JW's are sponsoriing a place for people to re connect. Could be wrong.

 

[mi650]

It's been a while since I've been there, but Grand Blanc at least used to be a white upper middle class town.

 

[nagantguy]

It's been a while since I've been there, but Grand Blanc at least used to be a white upper middle class town.

Maybe lower middle class class with the death of GM and Chrysler in Filnt - the reason we moved away from the county .

 

[mi650]

Maybe lower middle class class with the death of GM and Chrysler in Filnt - the reason we moved away from the county .

Swartz Creek is my hometown, but I haven't lived there for 40 years. I know it's gone downhill.

 

[nagantguy]

Swartz Creek is my hometown, but I haven't lived there for 40 years. I know it's gone downhill.

First house I bought after military was in Durand . Yep area has taken a post industrial beating for sure .

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Peaceful transitioning troons?

Or peaceful followers of the pedo prophet who now infest Michigan like it's Fallujah and someone yelled 'Go?'

Yeah... this is getting out of control.

Thinking I might volunteer to do security at one of the local churches. Most of the soul-scrubbers up here are granola types who have no idea and no interest in protectinig themselves. All hippie churches.

Sirhr

 

[mi650]

Peaceful transitioning troons?

Or peaceful followers of the pedo prophet who now infest Michigan like it's Fallujah and someone yelled 'Go?'

Yeah... this is getting out of control.

Thinking I might volunteer to do security at one of the local churches. Most of the soul-scrubbers up here are granola types who have no idea and no interest in protectinig themselves. All hippie churches.

Sirhr

Dearbornistan has been full of muzzies for as long as I can remember, and it's only gotten worse.

Hamtramck used to be full of Polocks. Hell, that's why the GM plant there is called Poletown. Guess it's Muzzytown now.

 

[LeftyJason]

It's weird. I'm looking at the footage Newsmax is broadcasting. The LDS church is on fire, but in the distance. Where the camera is positioned, it would appear there's a much closer church sign visible: "Kingom Hall of Jehovah's; Witnesses...." Hmmmmmmmmmm....

Also ironic that Newsmax reported this morning that the president of the LDS church died today (or yesterday). Another Hmmmmmm......

Statement on Violence at a Chapel in Grand Blanc, Michigan

A tragic act of violence occurred today at a chapel of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc, Michigan.

newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org

And yes President Nelson died last night. He was a pioneering heart surgeon as well.

Remembering the Life of President Russell M. Nelson

Learn more about the life of Russell M. Nelson, President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org

 

[ColinW]

It's a terrible time in the world when I feel that I need to be carrying a piece when I walk into a church sanctuary for worship for self defense. However, that time is here now. Perhaps its my paranoia, but I often wish to have my primary and secondary weapons on hand at church to protect the flock...Just in case. My pistol suffices for now..

 

[Expert684]

It's a terrible time in the world when I feel that I need to be carrying a piece when I walk into a church sanctuary for worship for self defense. However, that time is here now. Perhaps its my paranoia, but I often wish to have my primary and secondary weapons on hand at church to protect the flock...Just in case. My pistol suffices for now..

They prey on you when you are most vulnerable.

 

[Redlion]

Alleged Mormon Church Shooter Identified — 42 Yr-Old Military Vet — Reportedly Has “ANTI-Trump/Pence” Sign on Fence Attached to His Garage​

Now, it’s been confirmed that the alleged shooter, who was killed by law enforcement, is Thomas Jacob Sandford, a 40-year-old former U.S. Marine who fought in Iraq.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/alleged-mormon-church-shooter-is-identified-42-yr/

 

[Doc68]

It's funny how we just sit back and let this happen to us with zero protests.

Y'all are living with your head in the sand if you didn't think we are at war and the other side is winning.

They keep killing us 15-20 at a time in these shootings yet we don't do anything to them.

We don't protest that all trans should be locked up or in a mental hospital. We allow their treatment to be us having to give in to their disease.

We have never had a counter protest to any of antifa and BLM, in other words we allow this to happen and condone it.

Silence is condoning.

This is where the moral high road has gotten us


Doc

 

[Milf Dots]

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/alleged-mormon-church-shooter-is-identified-42-yr/

Another demokRat who couldn't keep it together for the sake of freedom & peace.

 

[W54/XM-388]

It's funny how we just sit back and let this happen to us with zero protests.

Y'all are living with your head in the sand if you didn't think we are at war and the other side is winning.

They keep killing us 15-20 at a time in these shootings yet we don't do anything to them.

We don't protest that all trans should be locked up or in a mental hospital. We allow their treatment to be us having to give in to their disease.

We have never had a counter protest to any of antifa and BLM, in other words we allow this to happen and condone it.

Silence is condoning.

This is where the moral high road has gotten us


Doc

Because the intelligent good folks know that "protesting" or Protesting is pretty much pointless as far as actual results when you are on the good side.

Good folks are sticking with trying to change things at the ballot box and when needed confronting evil in the act in person.

Good folks don't go with half or partial measures when they get fed up, therefore nobody on the good side wants to kickstart the taking care of business in any kind of a hurry as they know or at least have a clue of what that will look like, including how many uniforms would be trying to protect the evil.

 

[Alphatreedog]

They will use these shootings to ban firearms . Prove me wrong.

 

[Doc68]

Yeah, we've tried the ballot box. 2020-2024 remember that debacle.

You say we are bright, but yet keep trying the ballot box. I have to disagree with you on that.

I mean look here in CO they locked up a woman who tried to expose the fraud. And it's only gotten worse here.

It's not how you vote, it's who counts the votes.

Doc

 

[918v]

They will use these shootings to ban firearms . Prove me wrong.

They will use AI data centers to ban electric cars. Prove me wrong.

 

[Emerson0311]

Because the intelligent good folks know that "protesting" or Protesting is pretty much pointless as far as actual results when you are on the good side.

Good folks are sticking with trying to change things at the ballot box and when needed confronting evil in the act in person.

Good folks don't go with half or partial measures when they get fed up, therefore nobody on the good side wants to kickstart the taking care of business in any kind of a hurry as they know or at least have a clue of what that will look like, including how many uniforms would be trying to protect the evil.

No sense getting stomped in the prelims while almost no one else gives a shit yet. The main event will not be elegant or glorious or heroic. The solid folks are stealing themselves against the coming misery they will have to partake of.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Because the intelligent good folks know that "protesting" or Protesting is pretty much pointless as far as actual results when you are on the good side.

Good folks are sticking with trying to change things at the ballot box and when needed confronting evil in the act in person.

Good folks don't go with half or partial measures when they get fed up, therefore nobody on the good side wants to kickstart the taking care of business in any kind of a hurry as they know or at least have a clue of what that will look like, including how many uniforms would be trying to protect the evil.

And they are most likely at work during the week, and taking care of their household on the weekends. Makes protesting rather difficult

 

[EddieNFL]

Peaceful transitioning troons?

Or peaceful followers of the pedo prophet who now infest Michigan like it's Fallujah and someone yelled 'Go?'

Yeah... this is getting out of control.

Thinking I might volunteer to do security at one of the local churches. Most of the soul-scrubbers up here are granola types who have no idea and no interest in protectinig themselves. All hippie churches.

Sirhr

Our church has an organized armed security team. There is a large church nearby that has a couple of platoons of trained volunteers. Even have their own armory complete with ARs.

 

[Doc68]

And they are most likely at work during the week, and taking care of their household on the weekends. Makes protesting rather difficult

They came for the doctors, but I didn't stand up for them because I wasn't one

They came for the teachers, but I didn't stand up for them because I wasn't one

They came for the scientists, but I didn't stand up for them because I wasn't one

They came for the electricians, but I didn't stand up for them because I wasn't one

Now they are coming for me, but there isn't anyone to stand up for me........

So one day is gonna make your household fall apart.....look at Britain....even they took to the streets en masse. Do you think all of their households fell apart.....I think not

Problem is everyone is worried they might lose something, well that's what it takes sometimes.

Worst thing is a lot of others have lost their lives, but yet we keep going to work instead of protesting.

Doc

 

[Jscb1b]

We are still comfortable.

 

[Edsel]

We are still comfortable.

There’s this old, on - the - street interview wherein the guy said he didn’t really care about how things were going as long as he could get to buy his beers for the weekend game, something like that.

Can’t remember if it was during the time of the L.A. riots.

Does anybody have specifics on this interview, or better yet - a YouTube link?

 

[W54/XM-388]

.....look at Britain....even they took to the streets en masse.

Yes they did and guess what changed...
NOTHING

The government just used that as an excuse to double down on the same things they were protesting about and go arrest anyone for "thought crimes".

Bad folks in government don't get removed because you "protest" them away.
Especially when your entire government is corrupt and all a bunch of fellow travelers...

You either do it by laying the groundwork and really working hard to change the voting patterns and fraud and vote the correct folks in.
OR you do it the hard way, and lots of folks understand how bad and terrible times will become if we have to do it the hard way.

 

[Edsel]

Fresh out of England…

We’re already there.

 

[Doc68]

Yes they did and guess what changed...
NOTHING

The government just used that as an excuse to double down on the same things they were protesting about and go arrest anyone for "thought crimes".

Bad folks in government don't get removed because you "protest" them away.
Especially when your entire government is corrupt and all a bunch of fellow travelers...

You either do it by laying the groundwork and really working hard to change the voting patterns and fraud and vote the correct folks in.
OR you do it the hard way, and lots of folks understand how bad and terrible times will become if we have to do it the hard way.

But it shows them that the people are willing to rebel against them.

Here we don't do anything except go work and forget it until the next one happens.

When antifa and BLM show up we need to be countering them.

Yes we may not change our government, but at least we can try and counter the violence against us.

Doc

 

[corsairpilot62]

 

[Doc68]

View attachment 8777438

Yup,

But no one has PTO, Sick time or vacation days so no one will show up......

But in reality, the truth is that no one has the fucking balls.

Doc

 

[corsairpilot62]

Yup,

But no one has PTO, Sick time or vacation days so no one will show up......

But in reality, the truth is that no one has the fucking balls.

Doc

This is true. But this is because if they tried, the elites and powerful would make an example out of them and their families.

Hate saying it, but America is run by an Oligarchy. Mainly those in Congress and those who fund them.

Why are all the “Boomers” loosing their minds and we see so many “Karens”? Its because the US died during their lifetime. Those generations younger have had the government boot on their throat since schooling.

 

[zeroz]

They came for the doctors, but I didn't stand up for them because I wasn't one

They came for the teachers, but I didn't stand up for them because I wasn't one

They came for the scientists, but I didn't stand up for them because I wasn't one

They came for the electricians, but I didn't stand up for them because I wasn't one

Now they are coming for me, but there isn't anyone to stand up for me........

So one day is gonna make your household fall apart.....look at Britain....even they took to the streets en masse. Do you think all of their households fell apart.....I think not

Problem is everyone is worried they might lose something, well that's what it takes sometimes.

Worst thing is a lot of others have lost their lives, but yet we keep going to work instead of protesting.

Doc

What corner are you on protesting today?

 

[W54/XM-388]

Yup,

But no one has PTO, Sick time or vacation days so no one will show up......

But in reality, the truth is that no one has the fucking balls.

Doc

So all the folks that did show up for example for J6

Did all the good folks get together to bust them out of prison or did they wind up rotting in a hell hole torture prison for 4 years before folks eventually voted in somebody who promised to free them?

That's why folks don't want to go do random protest stuff.

 

[Doc68]

So all the folks that did show up for example for J6

Did all the good folks get together to bust them out of prison or did they wind up rotting in a hell hole torture prison for 4 years before folks eventually voted in somebody who promised to free them?

That's why folks don't want to go do random protest stuff.

That's the point.....

If we have the numbers they won't fuck with us.....but again I digress to no one having sick time, PTO or vacation time.


It's not about we protesting, it about the numbers. Antifa had the numbers without any counter protest. BLM had the numbers without any counter protest.

We now know there was 275 fed agents, a long with approx 225 antifa at the Capitol....yet no one is in prison from there side even with a full Republican side...,.

Doc

 

[LuckyLuke80]

So one day is gonna make your household fall apart.....look at Britain....even they took to the streets en masse. Do you think all of their households fell apart.....I think not

I don’t think Britain is any kind of shining example of anything good. Those bunch of funny sounding people stood by and became a sharia haven where all their women get raped by the camel jockeys and their beta soy males do nothing about it.

 

[Doc68]

View attachment 8777438

Nope, nobody has PTO or vacation days or sick days.......this is a joke

Doc

 

[Doc68]

I don’t think Britain is any kind of shining example of anything good. Those bunch of funny sounding people stood by and became a sharia haven where all their women get raped by the camel jockeys and their beta soy males do nothing about it.

And that's what America will be in 5 years. We won't even take a day off work to help defend against this.

Look at deerborn MI, they have the prayer of call at 530 every morning without any defense against it.

But again, no one has PTO, sick day's or vacation days because they are too comfortable.......


Doc

 

[SilentStalkr]

Michigan Church shooting .

Live Updates: Michigan church engulfed in flames after shooting injures multiple people

Multiple people injured following Michigan church shooting

www.nbcnews.com

Bruh, we been at war for quite sometime now. Few fail to see it or admit it tho.

It's a terrible time in the world when I feel that I need to be carrying a piece when I walk into a church sanctuary for worship for self defense. However, that time is here now. Perhaps its my paranoia, but I often wish to have my primary and secondary weapons on hand at church to protect the flock...Just in case. My pistol suffices for now..

Most people I know, which I wish I could afford such things, are riding around with $20k of kit in their cars at all times! No joke.

Our church has an organized armed security team. There is a large church nearby that has a couple of platoons of trained volunteers. Even have their own armory complete with ARs.

That’s awesome! All the churches around me have security teams, most armed but you are the first person I’ve heard mention of a church with their own armory!! That’s awesome!

Yes they did and guess what changed...
NOTHING

The government just used that as an excuse to double down on the same things they were protesting about and go arrest anyone for "thought crimes".

Bad folks in government don't get removed because you "protest" them away.
Especially when your entire government is corrupt and all a bunch of fellow travelers...

You either do it by laying the groundwork and really working hard to change the voting patterns and fraud and vote the correct folks in.
OR you do it the hard way, and lots of folks understand how bad and terrible times will become if we have to do it the hard way.

I hate to say it, but there is no easy way. If what’s been going on is any indication, nobody will ever do the groundwork to make the easy way possible. The hard way will likely be at our doorstep in the next couple decades or before and then it will be all or nothing and to @Doc68 point, it doesn’t appear that anyone will do anything, even then.

 

[SilentStalkr]

And that's what America will be in 5 years. We won't even take a day off work to help defend against this.

Look at deerborn MI, they have the prayer of call at 530 every morning without any defense against it.

But again, no one has PTO, sick day's or vacation days because they are too comfortable.......


Doc

If that shit was in my AO it would be getting destroyed with a quickness. But I hear you, iMO, if it’s gotten to the point where the loudspeakers are even up where you live, then it’s already too late.

I also don’t think people see the full picture of what’s going on. Let me give you a good little video of the gameplan. Many will forget in a couple weeks tho. This is good vs evil, the poor vs the rich, the haves vs the have nots and I don’t mean good people that are rich and are just minding their own biz, I mean the ones pulling the strings.



And the more tech wins the more control they have, the closer to game over. There is two alternatives tho. One, the good Lord comes back first. Two, some of those that have the money and power find their moral compass and fight back.

 

[Jscb1b]

3 meals is all it takes.

 

[Marinevet1]

Yup,

But no one has PTO, Sick time or vacation days so no one will show up......

But in reality, the truth is that no one has the fucking balls.

Doc

Well, I'm retired............when and where.......

 

[SilentStalkr]

3 meals is all it takes.

There is absolutely ways to make America come to its knees (I won’t post them) with relative ease and without any violence, but the destruction caused and inaccessibility to things would lead to violence rather quickly. I think it would take more than 3 meals not reaching people, but not a lot more.

 

[Jscb1b]

The cities would be fucked.

 

[Doc68]

Well, I'm retired............when and where.......

I want to start tomorrow here in Denver. I want to carry a white flag to show that we have already surrendered.

Let me know. Then we are off to each state capitol to show them we have surrendered.

Because we all know no one else has any sick time or PTO or vacation days.

Doc

 

[SilentStalkr]

Y’all really need to watch the video I posted.

 

[vh20]

3 meals is all it takes.

Nine. I believe the agreed upon number is nine.

 

[nagantguy]

Nine. I believe the agreed upon number is nine.

9 maybe the number where one’s true inner savage comes out ; 3 will make folks jumpy and aggrieved. BUT I worry more about all the SSRI and depression medication zombies that can’t get thier happy pills anymore . Millions and millions of them.

 

[Camelfilter]

Nine. I believe the agreed upon number is nine.

3 days without food.

... BUT I worry more about all the SSRI and depression medication zombies that can’t get thier happy pills anymore . Millions and millions of them.

They certainly will be a concern. However they won't be an organized concern, as their meds are what keeps their thought processes "reasonably" cogent. Unpredictable & perhaps violent? Sure. Organized? Not so much.

 

[LeftyJason]

Bishops don't get paid. He works a regular job in addition to being a bishop. Don't know what he does for a living.