Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

So if this was an older pencil barrel Mauser, that might’ve been someone’s deer gun, was it suppressed or not? I’m still with one of the early folks here who said the microphones may not have picked up the boom, but definitely caught the sonic shock of the bullet.

Just curious because you don’t thread one of those barrels to put a suppressor on it very easily!

And very rarely do actual NFA items get used in any kind of crime. The homemade stuff does. A.k.a. those solvent traps that Mark Zuckerberg sold by the millions on Facebook. But you’re not gonna thread one of those onto a Mauser deer rifle without some major skill.

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What I'm hearing is a sporterized Mauser in 30-06.
 
so, will 'George Zinn' get charged as an accomplice, due to 'him' creating this intentional distraction to assist the shooter in escape?

"Zinn's most serious arrest came in 2013, when he was charged with threatening to plant bombs at the finish line of the Salt Lake City Marathon."

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Always funny to listen to quotes from the Bible from folks who believe in trannies and killing unborn children.
Always have standards for all others while having none.
Seen your kind come and go.
Pushing for something that will consume you and your kind...

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When I looked before this guy joined in like 2012 and had 30 posts. How do these infiltrators get a join date so far in the past?
 
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Ideology – that is what gives evil doing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination. That is the social theory which helps to make his acts seem good instead of bad in his own and others’ eyes, so that he won’t hear reproaches and curses but will receive praise and honors… Thanks to ideology, the 20th century was fated to experience evildoing on a scale calculated in the millions. This cannot be denied, nor passed over, nor suppressed.”

―Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn,The Gulag Archipelago
 
I shoot deer at this deflection angle all the time out to about 300. I aim dead on and have no real world issues. Maybe 3 to 4 inches low at 300. Aim up a smidgen. Not enough to cause the deflection some are talking about here due to angle cosine.
Right on.

We teach setups from elevated positions and I tell attendees to ignore the angle if inside 200 which would be 99% of their potential problems.
Yes, there is a change due to angle but it is so small it is lost in the noise. Most misses are because the shooter is doing stupid shit on the gun because their position was out of their usual realm.
 
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My fear is that we get presented "the shooter" and they yank a JFK or Epstein page out of the playbook.

A wacko tranny is very convenient at this time and if they get offed by hate of them also way too convenient.

If "Truth" were sold on the commodities exchange none of us could afford it right now.
 
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They will find this guy the POS will be a libtard college student with tranny/Palestine shit on his social media.
Some one posted there was pro trans wording carved into the cartridges found in the rifles mag. I do not know if true but given the recent climate it would not surprise me.

Only thing I can confirm through my own personal experiences is I see the radicalization of the far left movement. All kirk was doing was sitting down and letting these people come to him, and debate. All they had to do was not step up to the mic and speak. They created him and outed themselves, when they destroyed him, they didn’t silence him, he ultimately won and proved them wrong. Mr. Kirk put his life on the line the, to support what he thought was right and just. I have the up most respect for his sacrifice.

Proved them wrong one final time. And it will never be forgotten.
 
Yes they have infiltrated the schools.

Read one the other day, her home was raided by the FBI after her husband assault ICE agents at a protest. She is a preschool teacher.

Vette the people you let raise your kids. Make sure they share your values.
 
Everyone keeps saying 200yd but the maps show 200ft. Makes a difference to an amateur.

Also, Trump saying riots followed by shootings is a fact not a threat.
Proud boys stand by isn't violence.
MTG saying people should hang... 100 years ago there would be dozens of Democrats hung for treason. Now, Republicans say let's just move forward. Legally, we could hang them today.
 
Everyone keeps saying 200yd but the maps show 200ft. Makes a difference to an amateur.
I saw that also.

200ft = 66yds = what I would have thought is WAY too close for the closest elevated position on that campus venue.

We have already determined from past incidents including the Mandalay Bay shooting that reporters and posters absolutely suck at terminology.
They have no clue of the difference between feet, yards, furlongs or fathoms.

More food for thought.....

Stop and think what a 30-06 would sound like at 66yds from the muzzle.
A Mauser in '06 wouldn't likely have a suppressor and that bitch would be deafening to the entire crowd. Even with the audio signal compression and nerd shit going on with people's phone vids, the shot report would have still been epic. Yet it was not.

The muzzle blast from a 30-06 would have had everyone videoing with their phone jerk like a motherfucker at the shot. None of the hand held phone vids translate to that.

Honestly I think the 30-06 muzzle report at 200 YARDS would have been more than experienced as well.


Lots of questions and head scratchers for sure.
 
Always the possibility that the gun and ammo were either planted to throw off investigators or provided to the shooter/patsy by their handlers.
My first thought - it's a plant to distract, just like the two guys that were arrested yesterday. I'm not saying it isn't the real weapon, but my first thought is to be suspicious of it. In fact,I kind of was expecting them to find an old gun that most of us wouldn't choose for a critical shot given the much better modern options available (and I know a sporterized Mauser can be quite accurate). It would have had to have been pre-planted in the building earlier, I would think - it's not very concealable like a collapsible, modular MSR. Plus, I still think that shot sounded suppressed. 30-06 boom would have come right after the crack and dwarfed it, even with mic compression. Everyone who's heard another hunter take a deer nearby is familiar with that "crack-BOOM"

Edit: @Terry Cross posted much the same thing while I was typing (12:03 vs 12:04).
 
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Quoting so it doesn't get lost in the drivel.

Dunno I doubt they'll get prints on the weapon, this sounds planned out. Keeping the spent casing in the chamber isn't something that a random shooter would do, especially if they had more rounds loaded up. The shooter went there with one job in mind, and that was kill Charlie, and allow the police to find the weapon and other ammo to send a message.
Looks like Crowder’s source in the ATF is legit
 
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Right on.

We teach setups from elevated positions and I tell attendees to ignore the angle if inside 200 which would be 99% of their potential problems.
Yes, there is a change due to angle but it is so small it is lost in the noise. Most misses are because the shooter is doing stupid shit on the gun because their position is shitty.
Yes, but...

Having used old school hunting cartridges with modest muzzle velocities and low BC bullets for high angle shots in the Austrian Alps, I learned the hard way that "it depends". Back then, we did not have a ballistic calculator on the smartphone in our back pocket.

Today, there is no excuse for missing due to uncompensated bullet drop. Take the straight line distance measured by your LRF and multiply that with the cosine of your inclination angle.

Example: 190 yards at 30 degrees would look like 190 * cos (30) if your trig calculator is set to degrees or 190 * cos (30*pi/180) if it expects angles in radians. The result is ~165 yards.

This is the horizontal distance your bullet experiences "full value" gravitational pull. Some LRFs will output this directly.

Now, look at your trajectory chart and ask yourself whether there is a significant difference between 190 and 165 yards. For .556 , 6.5CM, the PRC family, etc. the difference is insignificant. But a 8x57 Mauser can drop about 4-6", depending on bullet.
 
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Somebody has been fucking with Paint or PhotoShop.

A professional is not going to want OR need all that mechanical rest bullshit on such a short range setup.

Neither would they overtly skyline themselves like that.


There is SOOOOO much bullshit being slung out there hoping some of it gets clicks or gains traction.
 
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Somebody has been fucking with Paint or PhotoShop.

A professional is not going to want OR need all that mechanical rest bullshit on such a short range setup.

Neither would they overtly skyline themselves like that.


There is SOOOOO much bullshit being slung out there hoping some of it gets clicks or gains traction.

Yeah...

I don't think that picture has anything to do with this event.

Probably a picture of a previous event with LE overwatch.
 
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