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Please change your screen name to Tolstoy!Will those carriers get played just like Israel did expending their air defense missiles on decades old junk missiles only to face threats from modern capable anti ship missiles once their air defense is near depletion? Not likely. Is this the reason for the second carrier group, to increase the quanity of air defense missiles protecting both groups and Israel.? Yes. Hezbollah has 50-100k missiles if all those missiles are engaged they will run out of air defense. They will have to try and sort the missles not wasting air defense on the junk and targeting the larger more modern missiles targeting Haifa and Tel Avi and the groups themselves. The two carrier groups have a impressive amount of air defense It is unlikly they will be hit assuming they have the ability to sort and ignore old junk missiles that dont have the range to hit them. The enemy will be doing everthing in its power to make sorting between the real threats and junk hard. The other risk is the practice of adding electronic warfare to anti ship missiles to defeat air defense. Air defense could be expected to approach 50 billion dollars in cost for the two carrier groups.. hezbollah can be expected to have some of the various forms of chinese silkworm missilesthat are basically junk and mask their p800 hypersonic attacks with those. Israel hitting Allepo and Damascus airports daily is good because no doubt iran is trying to bring in more modern anti ship missiles to the conflict. The closer the air defense ships get to the coast the more capable they will be at protecting Israel but the more at risk they will be to themselves.
This conflict has been building for a while. IMO the iranian 2019 attacks on Saudi oil facilities clearly indicated their intent to stop oil transit in the region should war occur. The audacity of those attacks was regarded by some as bait for the USA bait it did not take. iran has not been shy about this basically stating if we are not bringing oil to market no one brings oil to market. IMO the iranians regard the cessation of oil transit through the strait as their primary tactic and tool in world war prefering it to outright nuclear weapon deployment. After all other countries have a lot more nuclear weapons but they dont have a strait of hormuz. IMO the iranians will have spent considerable time evaluating how to close the strait and keep it closed possibly even having contigecies to do so in 2019. Itwill be extremly difficult to ensure safe passage through the strait from iranian drones that can be launched from small hidden facilities. The cost of insurance through the passage could easily equal the cost of the oil cargo adding to the cost of the product. It would requiere escort by a vessal with air defense. It will require USN getting close and they will attempt to exploit that to the degree they are able. The USN has had two vessals in the strait to prevent hijackings in the strait for some time to prevent the tit for tat seizures that were occuring.. When the strait closes it will no doubt be with an eye for ambushes much as we see in gaza now. It will take time to create a cohesive response to the strait closing and during that time oil will become very expensive.. If iran was indeed involved in the nine seven (it rymes) attack it may be with intent to move to the strait closure that they did not trigger in 2019. My very very small understanding is their ideas about war favor a small confrontation that leads to a series of escalating ambushes that attrit.
I am not naive. I know the attackers on 9-7 are horrible creatures. I know the revolutionary gurd are not nice people to say the least. I do not condone Israels actions in gaza. That doesnt change the fact that this might be a set up by Iran. shia iran could care less about the sunni palestinians. that makes them ideal for sacrificial lambs. In fact no nation cares about the palestinians. Every human life is a child of god. If compassion is created for the palestinians it will have to come from the worlds civillian populations. All civillian populations are at risk from genocide if it is allowed. gaza is the place where Israel placed palestinians after stealing their land. If there had been smallpox it would made things easier. Genociding them now is not acceptable. bibis solution is not a solution. It will be the end of Israel if he pulls it off. bibi a very reactive individual. Was that reactivity exploited by iran? if so the bait is not being passed over like it was in 2019 by a leader wise enough not to take it. Does anyone really believe these events are coincidental? This is a set up its a good one and we are taking the bait hook line and sinker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silkworm_(missile)
Explained: Why Did Iran Attack Saudi Arabia's Oil Industry?
Here's what is going on.nationalinterest.org
What is amazing is that while there is a Palestinian vs Israeli dick measuring match going on in this thread, no one is talking about the genius move that was the Israeli 1 km incursion into Gaza.
This?
Israel stages large overnight ground raid into Gaza Strip
The brief ‘targeted’ incursion comes ahead of a widely expected ground invasion after nearly three weeks of air strikes.
Surveillance soldiers warned of Hamas activity on Gaza border for months before Oct. 7 - The Times of Israel
Survivors of massacre on IDF base say they passed information up the chain of command on digging, mapping, training near the fence long before mass onslaught, but were ignored
www.timesofisrael.com This?
Israel stages large overnight ground raid into Gaza Strip
The brief ‘targeted’ incursion comes ahead of a widely expected ground invasion after nearly three weeks of air strikes.www.aljazeera.com
Yes
No casualties taken per IDF.
Israel-Hamas war live updates: U.S. conducts military strikes in Syria; nine Arab countries condemn Gaza bombing
The Israel Defense Forces said they conducted an overnight raid in northern Gaza, "as part of preparations for the next stages of combat."
Man can you imagine the complexity in making any sort of air defense missile..
Fckn hell
The Patriots, Iron Dome, etc. Do these have to make physical contact with the missile to intercept? Or just blow up in its proximity with a fuckton of frag?
If they're making physical contact with an object that size at/near supersonic speeds... fckn impressive.
Fckn hell
The Patriots, Iron Dome, etc. Do these have to make physical contact with the missile to intercept? Or just blow up in its proximity with a fuckton of frag?
If they're making physical contact with an object that size at/near supersonic speeds... fckn impressive.
Imagine, those are just the ones you know about.
Breaking: US Bombs Iranian Proxy Forces in Syria Hours After Iranian Foreign Minister Threatens US on US Soil in United Nations Speech | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor
Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin announced Thursday night the U.S.
www.thegatewaypundit.com 
Stanford University 'Students for Justice in Palestine' Issues Insane List of Demands Including Plane Tickets to Gaza | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance
The radical group ‘Students for Justice in Palestine’ has chapters at schools all over the country.
www.thegatewaypundit.com Round trip tickets? How about one way?
Really good radars I bet.
I’ve heard the iron dome missiles are $250k ea (imagine each mortar round or homemade Estes rocket costing so much to intercept
our fleet defense missiles are not cheap (up to 12 mil ea) but those can intercept a icbm. I dindnt relize the newest is 3 times that but why not
Surface-to-Air Missiles:
- Standard Missile 2 (SM-2) Block IIIAZ - $1,200,000
- This is the unit cost of the conversion kit to turn existing SM-2 Block IIIA missiles into to Block IIIAZ variant, which is specifically for the Navy's Zumwalt class stealth destroyers.
- Standard Missile 2(SM-2) Block IIIC - $2,349,000
- This unit price is the cost of the conversion kit to transform existing SM-2 Block IIIA and Block IIIB missiles into the Block IIIC configuration with active radar homing.
- Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) Block IB - $11,830,000
- Funding for these missiles come through the Missile Defense Agency's (MDA) budget.
- Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) Block IIA - $36,387,000
- The funds for these missiles also come through the MDA budget.
- Standard Missile 6 (SM-6) - $4,318,632
- This unit price is an average for the entire projected 2021 Fiscal Year order, which includes SM-6 Block I and Block IA variants.
- Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) - $1,795,000
- This unit cost reflects an average for the entire projected Fiscal Year 2021 purchase, which includes ESSM Block I and Block II versions.
Hell with the radars. I mean just the physical construction of the missile itself. Making sure the fins and thrust vectoring motors and everything holds up and react properly at dozens of G-forces in split seconds from dozens or hundreds of miles away to nail a needle in a haystack... the mind numbing testing over and over to perfect the thing.
Fckn autism level shit dude.
LOL.. doubt we'll get to see any documentaries on how them bitches are made.
They aren’t. It’s all fake and you are in a simulation.
I think that laser thingy is gonna be the way to go. However I think lasers can be effected by weather, clouds, rain, etc. They will probably perfect it in time. But, overall it's going to be way more cost effective. Guided missiles don't care about the weather that much however.
Eventually, I would imagine so..
But lasers require BIG power generation, when talking about burning down a supersonic missile from hundreds of miles out.
Amazing tech, to track and zap a missile rather than just fragging its vicinity. Guessing there’s some kind of overshoot awareness, friendly fire on one of our air or space assets sounds unappealing.
When you hear US servicemen deploy to Israel, remember its thanks to this guy and lots of underage girls working on their backs that made sure it happens. Practically the whole political and economic elite fell in dick first and had tapes made to ensure their compliance. You can also be sure some one else took over after he got exposed and suicided. Elites are now landing dick first in some other Israeli honeypot catering to pedos.
Who is the girl in the “don’t you know who I am shirt”? How ironic.
Ghost of Kiev......And they didn't even beak any manicured nails...
All-female Israeli unit kills 100 Hamas terrorists in 14-hr gunfight to save town
AN ALL-FEMALE Israel defence squad of just 13 killed nearly 100 Hamas terrorists in a 14-hour gunfight in the southern Gaza Strip. Israel’s Caracal Battalion led the fight against a terror at…www.the-sun.com
Doc
He wrote a check that his ass couldn’t cash.When you hear US servicemen deploy to Israel, remember its thanks to this guy and lots of underage girls working on their backs that made sure it happens. Practically the whole political and economic elite fell in dick first and had tapes made to ensure their compliance. You can also be sure some one else took over after he got exposed and suicided. Elites are now landing dick first in some other Israeli honeypot catering to pedos.
He didn’t get exposed. He got removed and replaced.
It was a decision by upper management.
Blew up some empty warehouses.Breaking: US Bombs Iranian Proxy Forces in Syria Hours After Iranian Foreign Minister Threatens US on US Soil in United Nations Speech | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor
Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin announced Thursday night the U.S.
That’ll teach’em.
Kinda like disciplining your child by spanking a pair of their pants.
If they are not in them then it really doesn’t count.
What could possibly go wrong with this idea? 
www.rt.com
Hamas has offered to free hostages – Iranian FM
Civilian hostages taken by Hamas in the October 7 attacks could be handed over to Iran with Turkish and Qatari help
That’s worse.What could possibly go wrong with this idea?
Hamas has offered to free hostages – Iranian FM
Civilian hostages taken by Hamas in the October 7 attacks could be handed over to Iran with Turkish and Qatari help
Some fun gaza math... Based on some of the Iron Dome posts above.
Each 155mm shell will take out 10,000 square yards or .003 square miles. Blast area of roughly 100 x 100 yards.
140 square miles (10 miles by 14... ) 25,640 yards. x 17,600 yards
Unless my math is off, it would take just 43,000 155mm artillery shells to turn Gaza into a rubble pile. One shell every 200 yards x 200 yards in a grid.
Could one of our artillery experts run up a fire mission plan? Rolling barrage from East to West... Because I think the solution is pretty simple. Wear out a few tubes... Spend a few days firing. Problem solved.
FYI, Ukraine is firing 7,000 to 8,000 shells a day across a wide front at dispersed targets. Each shell costs about $4500 (these are cheap HE rounds, not guided or bleed base or spendy shells. Just dumb shells.) By that math, 5 days of properly-planned shelling and Gaza is a parking lot.
Total cost for shells is about $200 million. That's not including tubes and ancillaries like transport, soldier salaries, 3M ear plugs and subsequent lawsuits... you get the ideal. $200 million is nothing. Noone gets invaded. The A-Rabs can't complain about an incursion. And if the shell pattern runs in a diagonal that drives everyone out the bottom into Egypt... well, if the gate don't open, it's gonna be stir fry. Whatever. Open the gate, Egypt.
Someone please check my math and my fire mission plan. I haven't have coffee yet. I know we have some artillery guys and some actuaries among us. Run the math right for me!
Sirhr
PS. If my effects planning is falling a bit short... you know with the shells being contained by buildings, rubble bouncing, etc. Feel free to double the fire concentration. $400 million is still a really cheap end to all this. Even $600 Million. Heck, I could see Elon Musk funding this just to get a good laugh! I mean, it's cheaper than Twitter and sends a much stronger message. See what I did there?
Each 155mm shell will take out 10,000 square yards or .003 square miles. Blast area of roughly 100 x 100 yards.
140 square miles (10 miles by 14... ) 25,640 yards. x 17,600 yards
Unless my math is off, it would take just 43,000 155mm artillery shells to turn Gaza into a rubble pile. One shell every 200 yards x 200 yards in a grid.
Could one of our artillery experts run up a fire mission plan? Rolling barrage from East to West... Because I think the solution is pretty simple. Wear out a few tubes... Spend a few days firing. Problem solved.
FYI, Ukraine is firing 7,000 to 8,000 shells a day across a wide front at dispersed targets. Each shell costs about $4500 (these are cheap HE rounds, not guided or bleed base or spendy shells. Just dumb shells.) By that math, 5 days of properly-planned shelling and Gaza is a parking lot.
Total cost for shells is about $200 million. That's not including tubes and ancillaries like transport, soldier salaries, 3M ear plugs and subsequent lawsuits... you get the ideal. $200 million is nothing. Noone gets invaded. The A-Rabs can't complain about an incursion. And if the shell pattern runs in a diagonal that drives everyone out the bottom into Egypt... well, if the gate don't open, it's gonna be stir fry. Whatever. Open the gate, Egypt.
Someone please check my math and my fire mission plan. I haven't have coffee yet. I know we have some artillery guys and some actuaries among us. Run the math right for me!
Sirhr
PS. If my effects planning is falling a bit short... you know with the shells being contained by buildings, rubble bouncing, etc. Feel free to double the fire concentration. $400 million is still a really cheap end to all this. Even $600 Million. Heck, I could see Elon Musk funding this just to get a good laugh! I mean, it's cheaper than Twitter and sends a much stronger message. See what I did there?
UH OH! China "Will Support Iran"
Chinese Premier Li Qiang came out before assembled media Thursday to say only this:
halturnerradioshow.com Here is an article from the Pal side. Always good to get the other view. Caveat emptor in play, as always.
mondoweiss.net
They let humanitarian aid in. Then they bombed it so that Gaza would starve.
One of the bakeries that Israel bombed in Nuseirat refugee camp had just received a shipment of flour from UNRWA meant to cover the food needs of the entire camp. Israel waited to bomb it once all the flour was unloaded.
mondoweiss.net 
Iran Foreign Minister: "We will NOT Sit and Watch -- We Will NOT Be Able to Cease Fire"
Iran's Foreign Minister has thrown down the Gauntlet. At the United Nations today he said:
halturnerradioshow.com What I got it from this is that war sucks.Here is an article from the Pal side. Always good to get the other view. Caveat emptor in play, as always.
They let humanitarian aid in. Then they bombed it so that Gaza would starve.
One of the bakeries that Israel bombed in Nuseirat refugee camp had just received a shipment of flour from UNRWA meant to cover the food needs of the entire camp. Israel waited to bomb it once all the flour was unloaded.
So don’t start one.
…. and exit midair.Stanford University 'Students for Justice in Palestine' Issues Insane List of Demands Including Plane Tickets to Gaza | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance
The radical group ‘Students for Justice in Palestine’ has chapters at schools all over the country.
Round trip tickets? How about one way?
Washington DC is about 61 square miles and the City of London is just over 1 - so call it 63 square miles. Under half the size of Gaza. Think of all the money we could save!
Someone posted about the Standard Missile program earlier..
U.S. Satellite Smashed to Pieces by SM-3 Interceptor
U.S. Satellite Smashed to Pieces by SM-3 Interceptor
spacenews.com SM3's can whack satellites too LOL. Bet that was fun.
Either way.. rocket/missile scientists have to be like the top .0001% brainpower-wise, right? I'd have to imagine. I can't think of any task more mentally demanding than going to space, or nailing a missile in flight.
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Ya think!
They are on track to spend 40+k iron bombs, droping 1000+ per day for past 20 days , and it looks like 2-4 Jdams per building
Typical ME all reinforced concrete , 40+k 155rds would barely make a dent
People who follow this guy think Israel 2023 is worse than Nazi Germany…. That’s how screwed up our society is these days.
Mind blown…
Mind blown…
Not the missiles you were asking about but the tech on the aim 9 is probably similar. Smarter every day used to be a civilian rocket test engineer for the army.
Where the hell did we figure a 155 shell will take out 100x100 yds.......
Doc
Doc
Super cool. Thanks for the vid!
This stuff is incredible man. For someone whos loved cars and guns and motocross bikes his whole life, building rockets is certainly tangential to those pursuits.
Our array of amateur rocket-building hobbyists will almost certainly become the American equivalent of various rebel/guerilla missile launching groups across the world should mega shit ever hit the fan. A SHTF rebel version of NRA's project Appleseed pretty much.
I don’t know the first thing about him but reading his feed, the guy is a solid anti-Israel/pro-Hamas kinda dude and apparently so are his followers. He definitely lets the hate flow.
Anyone hear anything else on this?
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Colonel Douglas Macgregor tells Tucker US Special Forces secretly went into Gaza and were blown to bits... - Revolver News
Are we already losing men?
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